Therapist Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 What a bitter, small minded wee scrote that joke of a man is. :xmassick: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7780016.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Now a petition, entitled "Save Scottish Football", will be launched by Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMA MAROON Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 He is a bell end. I've never liked him. He hates Hearts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Broon gets my backing on this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 He is a bell end. I've never liked him. He hates Hearts. I agree. He was SKY's co-commentator at the 1998 final, and sounded gutted when we were awarded the penalty, before going on to almost wet himself at the pressure Rangers went on to exert later in the game. But... In this case, I agree with him: I don't trust FIFA either. And I had to smile at the comment about "politically minded zealots in London" - there's no demand for a GB team at all apart from a small minority, based in Corstorphine as well as the capital (and I don't mean our resident bestseller!). And at the risk of repeating myself, I'm going to ask this question again: the OP has himself acknowledged he'd be happy to see the demise of the Scottish national team. If this happened, the Scottish league would vanish too - and Hearts would never play in Europe again. Is that what anyone on here wants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNCASTLE Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 What a bitter, small minded wee scrote that joke of a man is. :xmassick: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7780016.stm He is that BUT his assessment is both lucid and reasonable. Let the english do what they like but dont drag us into it. I had never thought about 15 "Russias" and 5 "Yugoslavias". FIFA are tossers and that is exactly the kind of actions they take.:xmasunsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted December 13, 2008 Author Share Posted December 13, 2008 If this happened, the Scottish league would vanish too - and Hearts would never play in Europe again. :xmaseye: How do you work that out? I used to respect you as a poster Shaun, but you have lowered yourself to indulging in the sort of unfounded scaremongering tactics so beloved of the TA racists and their acolytes. Sad, very sad. :xmasoh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosanostra Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 He is a whiney little tosser. There's no way I would support a team GB though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 :xmaseye: How do you work that out? I used to respect you as a poster Shaun, but you have lowered yourself to indulging in the sort of unfounded scaremongering tactics so beloved of the TA racists and their acolytes. Sad, very sad. :xmasoh: If there was no Scottish national team, and only a British one, the Scottish national association would disappear... and thus, the league set-up too. I can't think of one association anywhere which doesn't have a national team and some sort of league structure. You've not thought this one through, have you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted December 13, 2008 Author Share Posted December 13, 2008 If there was no Scottish national team, and only a British one, the Scottish national association would disappear... No it wouldn't. The SFA would still exist to administer the laws of the game, provide referees etc. The SPL would continue with the top teams winning places in Yoorup. Fact. :xmasgrin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 No it wouldn't. The SFA would still exist to administer the laws of the game, provide referees etc. The SPL would continue with the top teams winning places in Yoorup. Fact. :xmasgrin: Name me a national association anywhere which doesn't have a national team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted December 13, 2008 Author Share Posted December 13, 2008 Name me a national association anywhere which doesn't have a national team. That's a completely different issue. I'm not sure if there is one, but there is nothing that prohibits a national association from not having a national team. Fact. :xmasgrin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 If there was no Scottish national team, and only a British one, the Scottish national association would disappear... and thus, the league set-up too. I can't think of one association anywhere which doesn't have a national team and some sort of league structure. You've not thought this one through, have you? If the Scottish set-up was to disappear then what would happen to the English set-up and Welsh set-up ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo27_22 Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Dont want a GB Team but Brown is one of the biggest fuds on the planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 If there was no Scottish national team, and only a British one, the Scottish national association would disappear... and thus, the league set-up too. I can't think of one association anywhere which doesn't have a national team and some sort of league structure. You've not thought this one through, have you? Why should it? It would be a unique situation. Are you saying the Welsh & NI FA's would also disappear? I don't see why they would tbh. Sounds like scaremongoring SL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 That's a completely different issue. I'm not sure if there is one, but there is nothing that prohibits a national association from not having a national team. Fact. :xmasgrin: It's an entirely related issue. International football is merely a contest between national associations, as you'll see from the FIFA website. All member associations have member clubs. Scrap the Scottish national team in favour of a British one, and it follows you'll merely have a British association, and hence, a British league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted December 13, 2008 Author Share Posted December 13, 2008 it follows you'll merely have a British association, and hence, a British league. You have been taking too many "talking utter tosh" pills. I suggest you desist immediately. :xmasgrin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxteth O'Grady Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 It's an entirely related issue. International football is merely a contest between national associations, as you'll see from the FIFA website. All member associations have member clubs. Scrap the Scottish national team in favour of a British one, and it follows you'll merely have a British association, and hence, a British league. On the plus side we might get rid of the GFA:xmasgrin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Why should it? It would be a unique situation. Are you saying the Welsh & NI FA's would also disappear? I don't see why they would tbh. Sounds like scaremongoring SL. See my response to Therapist! Around the world, many associations have been desperate to reduce Britain's over-representation within FIFA for decades: with vice president and general slimeball Jack Warner leading the cry. Future candidates for the FIFA Presidency will need the votes of African and Asian delegates, who'd jump at the chance to increase their influence and reduce that of the UK. Therefore, any 'promises' from FIFA now are barely worth the paper they're written on - and as soon as a British national team is convened, the demand will develop for it to happen in the World Cup and European Championship too. And you're immediately on the slippery slope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 You have been taking too many "talking utter tosh" pills. I suggest you desist immediately. :xmasgrin: Judging by your posts this morning, touche! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted December 13, 2008 Author Share Posted December 13, 2008 See my response to Therapist! Around the world, many associations have been desperate to reduce Britain's over-representation within FIFA for decades: with vice president and general slimeball Jack Warner leading the cry. Future candidates for the FIFA Presidency will need the votes of African and Asian delegates, who'd jump at the chance to increase their influence and reduce that of the UK. Therefore, any 'promises' from FIFA now are barely worth the paper they're written on - and as soon as a British national team is convened, the demand will develop for it to happen in the World Cup and European Championship too. And you're immediately on the slippery slope. Yet again you post a response that is unrelated to the issue. Such dodge and deflect tactics are leading me to think that you may be a sellik fan. :xmassick: :xmastongue: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 You have been taking too many "talking utter tosh" pills. I suggest you desist immediately. :xmasgrin: The truth is that nobody knows because we are in uncharted waters here. At the moment we home nations have a privileged position in being able to have our own associations, represented by our national teams. These have been, to date, inextricably linked to each other. In all probability that will continue being the case, unless a further special position could be negotiated where we had a U.K. national team but maintained the four associations. I don't see it happening to be honest. I reckon that any amalgamation of the four national teams would lead to tremendous pressure from within FIFA for similar action regarding our associations. We are after all one country with four associations. In my opinion, better not to open the pandora's box of national team unification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Yet again you post a response that is unrelated to the issue. Such dodge and deflect tactics are leading me to think that you may be a sellik fan. :xmassick: :xmastongue: Nice debating technique mate. :xmaseye: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Yet again you post a response that is unrelated to the issue. Such dodge and deflect tactics are leading me to think that you may be a sellik fan. :xmassick: :xmastongue: These Xmas smileys are doing my head in, by the way - you can barely tell the difference between them! Of course, if I was displaying a victim mentality, then I'd be exhibiting all the signs of being a Rangers fan; and if I continually jumped on the easily offended bus (offended by Pa Broon, by Pressley, by Levein), I'd be just like you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted December 13, 2008 Author Share Posted December 13, 2008 if I continually jumped on the easily offended bus (offended by Pa Broon, by Pressley, by Levein), I'd be just like you... Good one. :xmastongue: :xmasbabe: :xmascrazy: :xmasgrin: :xmaswoot: :xmaseye: :xmasoh: :xmassick: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 See my response to Therapist! Around the world, many associations have been desperate to reduce Britain's over-representation within FIFA for decades: with vice president and general slimeball Jack Warner leading the cry. Future candidates for the FIFA Presidency will need the votes of African and Asian delegates, who'd jump at the chance to increase their influence and reduce that of the UK. Therefore, any 'promises' from FIFA now are barely worth the paper they're written on - and as soon as a British national team is convened, the demand will develop for it to happen in the World Cup and European Championship too. And you're immediately on the slippery slope. It doesn't follow that four FA's become 1 if there is 1 national team for GB. Now if weefa were to reduce/cut completely entries into their competitions for the homne FA's you may well have reason to worry but feefa seem content with messing up international football and leave the league mess ups to weefa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny Factor Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 I agree. He was SKY's co-commentator at the 1998 final, and sounded gutted when we were awarded the penalty, before going on to almost wet himself at the pressure Rangers went on to exert later in the game. But... In this case, I agree with him: I don't trust FIFA either. And I had to smile at the comment about "politically minded zealots in London" - there's no demand for a GB team at all apart from a small minority, based in Corstorphine as well as the capital (and I don't mean our resident bestseller!). And at the risk of repeating myself, I'm going to ask this question again: the OP has himself acknowledged he'd be happy to see the demise of the Scottish national team. If this happened, the Scottish league would vanish too - and Hearts would never play in Europe again. Is that what anyone on here wants? "Looking at the replay, i think there was justification for it, but it was a very dubious one" That just sums Broon up.... he hasn't a clue what he's talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
$ilvery_Moon Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Name me a national association anywhere which doesn't have a national team. Sorry to be pedantic Shaun but the Jammu & Kashmir region have an association but no national football team. As far as I'm aware they are the only exception. I've changed my mind about this recently. I was in favour of a combined team but now I'm not at all. I agree about Warner he absolutely despises us and would do anything to make sure we have less influence in the world game. One association would have far less influence than four and like you say there are others who would love that also to be the case. It is a dangerous road and I agree that I don't think FIFA can be trusted. I can see why there are such objections from the smaller nations too. If this were to happen, in effect British people would (bar very few exceptions) be watching the England team week in week out and I don't think the people would stand for that. Also, like you say clubs like Hearts, Dundee United and Aberdeen would almost certainly never compete in Europe again either. We can have a successful Olympic Games without a combined football team. Olympic football is a minor event in any case. Why should we risk the possibility of destroying our league structures and our national teams competing in major championships for a one off event? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 It doesn't follow that four FA's become 1 if there is 1 national team for GB. Now if weefa were to reduce/cut completely entries into their competitions for the homne FA's you may well have reason to worry but feefa seem content with messing up international football and leave the league mess ups to weefa. Really? FIFA have wanted a synchronised world calendar and for the pre-eminence of international football to be restored for years! And because of FIFA's commercialisation, expansion, and quite simply, power (there's a wonderful line in a novel I read a few years back whereby after leading a coup in an African country, the new leader is told to negotiate with the three most important international organisations. The UN, the World Bank, and FIFA), other confederations who hate Britain's unique, protected position are becoming more and more influential, and their votes have to be curried. FIFA is more powerful than UEFA - and if its members see the chance of reducing the home nations into one national association... eek! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Sorry to be pedantic Shaun but the Jammu & Kashmir region have an association but no national football team. As far as I'm aware they are the only exception. I've changed my mind about this recently. I was in favour of a combined team but now I'm not at all. I agree about Warner he absolutely despises us and would do anything to make sure we have less influence in the world game. One association would have far less influence than four and like you say there are others who would love that also to be the case. It is a dangerous road and I agree that I don't think FIFA can be trusted. I can see why there are such objections from the smaller nations too. If this were to happen, in effect British people would (bar very few exceptions) be watching the England team week in week out and I don't think the people would stand for that. Also, like you say clubs like Hearts, Dundee United and Aberdeen would almost certainly never compete in Europe again either. We can have a successful Olympic Games without a combined football team. Olympic football is a minor event in any case. Why should we risk the possibility of destroying our league structures and our national teams competing in major championships for a one off event? For that, you'll have to ask the aforementioned politically minded zealots. By the way - Jammu and Kashmir. Is it recognised by FIFA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
$ilvery_Moon Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 For that, you'll have to ask the aforementioned politically minded zealots. By the way - Jammu and Kashmir. Is it recognised by FIFA? I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 I don't think so. Nope. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jammu_and_Kashmir_national_football_team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 I'm with Paw Broon on this issue! :xmasgrin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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