Craig Herbertson Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I've been trying to sort out a wikipedia article for the great man- it is almost immediately under threat of deletion. Does anyone know exactly when and how many times the great man was capped for Scotland. All I can remember is too few and friendlies. Proving his Scotland record would ensure the article remains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Cruickie went from strength to strength with Hearts and he won his first cap for Scotland in 1964 against West Germany. Inexplicably, given the great man’s talent, Cruickshank would be capped only five more times for Scotland. Inexplicably? Well, there’s no doubt in this writer’s mind that if Cruickie had played for either of the Old Firm he’d have had at least fifty caps. And he almost did – soon after Hearts had sold star striker Willie Wallace to Celtic, Jock Stein had his eye on Cruickshank as a replacement for the ageing Ronnie Simpson. When, after another row with the Hearts manager – Johnny Harvey had by now taken over from Tommy Walker – Cruickshank was dropped to the reserves to make way for Kenny Garland, it seemed the goalie was Parkhead bound. But, thankfully, Jock Stein didn’t pursue his interest and Cruickie remained at Tynecastle until the end of his career, although his petulant nature meant he wasn’t always first choice! With Cruickshank in the team, Hearts lost the league championship in agonising fashion to Kilmarmock on the last day of the 1964/65 season. Killie had to win the last game – against Hearts at Tynecastle - by two clear goals to snatch the title from their rivals. A numbed Hearts support watched in disbelief as Killie duly won 2-0, amid stories that the Hearts players weren’t at all happy about their win bonuses. More disappointment followed for Cruickshank and Hearts when they lost the 1968 Scottish Cup final 3-1 to Dunfermline Athletic although this came the year after Cruickie’s heroics against Hibs at Tynecastle when he made an astonishing triple save from a penalty taken by Hibs Joe Davis. Those who witnessed that exceptional piece of goalkeeping still talk about it to this day. As the 1970s beckoned, Hearts were on a downward spiral but Jim Cruickshank continued to excel in goal. Indeed, it’s fair to say that had it not been for the likes of Cruickie, Eddie Thomson, Alan Anderson and Donald Ford, Hearts may well have fallen from the top flight of Scottish football sooner than they did. 1976 was to prove a landmark year for the Hearts goalie. He made another Scottish Cup final appearance but Hearts were woefully outclassed by a treble chasing Rangers side and lost 3-1. The last of Cruickshank’s six Scotland caps also came that year when he faced Roumania and by now Jim’s place in the Hearts team was under threat from a young keeper called Brian Wilson. Cruickie did play in the European Cup Winners Cup tie in Leipzig which Hearts lost 2-0 and kept his place in the side for the return leg, which ended in a remarkable 5-1, win for the JTs. It’s unclear if Cruickie had had another of his ‘fall-outs’ with manager John Hagart but Brian Wilson was back in goal for the second round tie with SV Hamburg – which Hearts lost on an 8-3 aggregate. It was the writing on the wall for Cruickie’s Hearts career. John Hagart promised him a testimonial at the end of the season as a ‘thank you’ for seventeen years service to the club. Unfortunately, Hearts were relegated for the first time ever; Hagart was sacked and with the manager went Cruickie’s chance of the testimonial he so richly deserved. From: http://www.freewebs.com/mikegsmith/heartslegends.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basher161 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 6 caps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut The Crap Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I've been trying to sort out a wikipedia article for the great man- it is almost immediately under threat of deletion. Does anyone know exactly when and how many times the great man was capped for Scotland. All I can remember is too few and friendlies. Proving his Scotland record would ensure the article remains. Try this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Herbertson Posted November 17, 2008 Author Share Posted November 17, 2008 Thanks, you're a star. That should keep his name in there with lesser folks. Its about time we had that testimonial too. The man is a legend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Thanks, you're a star. That should keep his name in there with lesser folks. Its about time we had that testimonial too. The man is a legend Really! You should know where to look first. He won 6 Official and 5 Unofficial Caps http://www.londonhearts.com/scotland/players/jamesferguscruickshank.html Plus 3 SFL caps http://www.londonhearts.com/SFL/players/jimcruickshank.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vilenin Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I've been trying to sort out a wikipedia article for the great man- it is almost immediately under threat of deletion. Does anyone know exactly when and how many times the great man was capped for Scotland. All I can remember is too few and friendlies. Proving his Scotland record would ensure the article remains. Where is the article on Wikipedia? Cant see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbos Right Peg Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Where is the article on Wikipedia? Cant see it. Also where is ROUMANIA ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Herbertson Posted November 17, 2008 Author Share Posted November 17, 2008 Me neither. I've written it but its entered some sort of speedy deletion category and I'm fighting to save it. Unfortunately, I' am clueless about their complicated procedures. I just wrote it because its a disgrace he's not mentioned when other are. Maybe its too early to appear yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Really! You should know where to look first. He won 6 Official and 5 Unofficial Caps http://www.londonhearts.com/scotland/players/jamesferguscruickshank.html Plus 3 SFL caps http://www.londonhearts.com/SFL/players/jimcruickshank.html was just going to suggest trying there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Herbertson Posted November 17, 2008 Author Share Posted November 17, 2008 I looked in London Hearts and I saw six caps but I felt the wikipedia mafia might need more proof.Then I tired the Scottish site you gave but being a computer dumbo I couldn't find his name - even wrote to them. So, thanks again and those unofficial caps might have to go in as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Herbertson Posted November 17, 2008 Author Share Posted November 17, 2008 Go here.look for Jim and that seems to get you through the maze. its only a wee thing. Hopefully, someone else can add the icing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Heart_of_Midlothian_F.C._players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmaroon Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Also where is ROUMANIA ??? It was the English spelling for Romania until about the 80's. ................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambos are go! Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 It was the English spelling for Romania until about the 80's.] ................ Your joking surely!. Unless you mean the 1880s or I was in a parallel universe when I studied geography in the 1960s. More to the point . Mentioning Brian Wilson in the same article as Cruikie is inappropriate. Wilson was rose without trace and joined us on a Free Transfer from a lesser team IIRC. We found out why!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Your joking surely!. Unless you mean the 1880s or I was in a parallel universe when I studied geography in the 1960s. More to the point . Mentioning Brian Wilson in the same article as Cruikie is inappropriate. Wilson was rose without trace and joined us on a Free Transfer from a lesser team IIRC. We found out why!! Hagart was obviously a Beach Boys fan TAXEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Your joking surely!. Unless you mean the 1880s or I was in a parallel universe when I studied geography in the 1960s. More to the point . Mentioning Brian Wilson in the same article as Cruikie is inappropriate. Wilson was rose without trace and joined us on a Free Transfer from a lesser team IIRC. We found out why!! Brian Wilson against Hamburg SV in 76 is still one of my worst Hearts memories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoaldJensen Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I saw Cruikshank play for scotland against england at hampden. I later got to know him quite well when he was the manager of a pub called Scotts in Rose Street.I was the local beat cop at the time....eleven beat). I think he has spurned any talk of testimonials or benefits, like Willie Bauld he was scunnered at the way Hearts treated their servants. I respect his opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirwalter Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I've been trying to sort out a wikipedia article for the great man- it is almost immediately under threat of deletion. Does anyone know exactly when and how many times the great man was capped for Scotland. All I can remember is too few and friendlies. Proving his Scotland record would ensure the article remains. Be sure to record that Cruickie had three consecutive shut-outs for Scotland...a VERY rare achievement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I saw Cruikshank play for scotland against england at hampden.I later got to know him quite well when he was the manager of a pub called Scotts in Rose Street.I was the local beat cop at the time....eleven beat). I think he has spurned any talk of testimonials or benefits, like Willie Bauld he was scunnered at the way Hearts treated their servants. I respect his opinion. Wasn't there another Jambo involved in Scotts management? Maybe Dave Clunie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoaldJensen Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Wasn't there another Jambo involved in Scotts management?Maybe Dave Clunie? no clunie was the manager of the pub a hundred yards eastwards on the same side of the street it was called "olivers" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cylawny Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Spelling till the 80's was Rumania. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 no clunie was the manager of the pub a hundred yards eastwards on the same side of the street it was called "olivers" Most Saturday nights I wouldn't have known East from West any how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Duck Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Jim can now be found holding the door at the sighthill surgery, he loves nothing better than a bit of banter, and talks of his dislike for the hearts, after the way he was treated, cannot blame the guy at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ycj Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Sad that he dislikes the Hearts, when so many of us want to repay him for the loyal service he gave to HMFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeToonJambo Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 For the sake of accuracy in the original piece about him, was the triple penalty save not from Joe Baker, not Joe Davis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Herbertson Posted November 18, 2008 Author Share Posted November 18, 2008 Cruikie had good reason to dislike Hearts and I don't blame him. The way he was treated at the time was scandalous. However, that doesn't take away from the fact that many of the older fans loved the guy and woud like to say thankyou to him in some formal way. There must be some way surely of conveying this without drawing him into forgiving his treatment at Hearts. The fans aren't the past board of directors who are possibly all playing directors games in the sky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Chard VC Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 It is very sad that he now appears to detest Hearts. I was hoping to see a testimonial for him I was 11 when he made that triple save from the penalty from Joe Davis (Not Baker!). I was there and will never forget it or his Tommy Gemmell penalty save also at Gorgie Road end:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 I saw Cruikshank play for scotland against england at hampden.I later got to know him quite well when he was the manager of a pub called Scotts in Rose Street.I was the local beat cop at the time....eleven beat). I think he has spurned any talk of testimonials or benefits, like Willie Bauld he was scunnered at the way Hearts treated their servants. I respect his opinion. Fifteen night beat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Herbertson Posted November 19, 2008 Author Share Posted November 19, 2008 I remember both the triple save and the penalty although I have a feeling I missed the celtic game. It was talked about for ages afterwards. In fact, sadly I'm still talking about it now. I'd love to see Cruikshank properly honoured by the fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ycj Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Cruikie had good reason to dislike Hearts and I don't blame him. The way he was treated at the time was scandalous. However, that doesn't take away from the fact that many of the older fans loved the guy and woud like to say thankyou to him in some formal way. There must be some way surely of conveying this without drawing him into forgiving his treatment at Hearts. The fans aren't the past board of directors who are possibly all playing directors games in the sky. A collection, donation would be a great token gesture. Merchi Hearts??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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