Legend Claws Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Following on from IJs thread on Rugby I thought I would test opinion on an argument that I have had with many a 'rugger' fan. My point is that there are far more skills, techniques etc that one has to learn in order to play football at the highest level than there are in Rugby. Agree and if not explain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Harris Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 IMO Rugby is a more technical game and I'd say there are a lot more skills and techniques required when compared with football, but football's beauty lies with its simplicity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Claws Posted November 17, 2008 Author Share Posted November 17, 2008 Really? Take in to account: Passing, shooting, control, tackling, goalkeeping and heading. Think how many different parts of the foot you use when passing, shooting and controlling the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 IMO Rugby is a more technical game and I'd say there are a lot more skills and techniques required when compared with football, but football's beauty lies with its simplicity. Just go.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Harris Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 don't get me wrong, I much prefer football to rugby but I do think rugby is the more technical game. tackling, passing, handling, scrums, rucks, mauls, line-outs and the significant differences in player positions are all highly technical when compared with the simplicity of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Following on from IJs thread on Rugby I thought I would test opinion on an argument that I have had with many a 'rugger' fan. My point is that there are far more skills, techniques etc that one has to learn in order to play football at the highest level than there are in Rugby. Agree and if not explain! The point in bold makes it an interesting question. At low levels, I'd say rugby for sure. Anyone can get a football and have a kickabout but rugby's not so easy to knock up a game. There are more skills required throughout the game of rugby but many of them are specialised. The prop forward is not expected to be able to execute a nifty side-step and the fly-half should not be concerned about how to keep a scrum straight. For football, the goalie's the only true specialist. Elsewhere there's trapping, tackling, kicking & heading. You've also got positional sense & anticipation - but you've got those in rugby, snooker and many other sports. The highest level adds diving, shirt-tugging, feigning injury, ref-bashing and claiming for every decision no matter how obvious - and having known some guys who played at professional clubs, it might be fair to include them as many of them are coached into the players. Overall, I'd say that a rugby team is more skillful (collectively) than a football team and therefore, since they're team sports, Id say the answer to your question is rugby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Claws Posted November 17, 2008 Author Share Posted November 17, 2008 Maybe Rugby is more tactical/strategic due to the scrums, mauls rucks etc, but I don't think it is more technical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gershwin Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I used to play rugby at school and loved it but in the last years have totally fallen out of love with the game. It's been ruined by kicking and rubbish rule changes. As Boris says, the beauty of football is it's simplicity. Rugby, on the otherhand, has a very complicated rulebook and there is a fine line between a legal play and a yellow card offence. Plus I hate the knobjockey student ruggers in their matching chinos - they're the reason I started to hate the game in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartsfc_fan Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I used to play rugby at school and loved it but in the last years have totally fallen out of love with the game. It's been ruined by kicking and rubbish rule changes. As Boris says, the beauty of football is it's simplicity. Rugby, on the otherhand, has a very complicated rulebook and there is a fine line between a legal play and a yellow card offence. Plus I hate the knobjockey student ruggers in their matching chinos - they're the reason I started to hate the game in the first place. Ha ha I couldn't agree more. Those type who go to "Why Not" night club on a Friday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Spackler Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Sheer strength and fitness will take you further in Rugby than it will in football. However a Stand-Off probably has the most technically demanding positions of either sport. More often than not if you get a true skillster at Rugby he's pretty good at football too. Very rare to get a rugby forward who is any real cop at football and I'd doubt many footballers could handle playing in a rugby pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
systemx Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Love fitba but couldnt play to save myself,so played played rugby and loved it.liked it rough so played hooker or flanker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makween Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Probably rugby, you don't have the "keep going so you get to eat the biscuit" thing in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveofthegame Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 So much more skill involved in football, and i love, watch and have played both. You can't teach someone to be a good footballer, you're born with it. You can tan take any Joe Bloggs whose fast/big/strong/a combination of these things and turn them into a rugby player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felix Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gershwin Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Sheer strength and fitness will take you further in Rugby than it will in football. However a Stand-Off probably has the most technically demanding positions of either sport. More often than not if you get a true skillster at Rugby he's pretty good at football too. Very rare to get a rugby forward who is any real cop at football and I'd doubt many footballers could handle playing in a rugby pack. When I was at uni the football team won the rugby 7s. The victory over the ruggers in the final was pretty funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty2442 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Love fitba but couldnt play to save myself,so played played rugby and loved it.liked it rough so played hooker or flanker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Spackler Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 When I was at uni the football team won the rugby 7s. The victory over the ruggers in the final was pretty funny. Sevens is different altogether. Speed merchants are what you mainly need here. Not at all inconceivable that at a certain level a team of footballers without rugby skills could win a sevens match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo66 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Sheer strength and fitness will take you further in Rugby than it will in football. However a Stand-Off probably has the most technically demanding positions of either sport. More often than not if you get a true skillster at Rugby he's pretty good at football too. Very rare to get a rugby forward who is any real cop at football and I'd doubt many footballers could handle playing in a rugby pack. Very true - David Johnston played rugby for Scotland and iirc the British Lions. Before turning to rugby, he played for Hearts - although it was only once and I think we were in the 1st Division at the time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Morocco Mole Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 I play them both and enjoy them both equally. Both sports are technically demanding in different ways. I think that rugby though is easier in the way that you can hide being not technically gifted with strength and speed, where as football your more exposed for what you really are. From a spectators view, football is a better watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Drago Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 had this arguement with a few folk as well, personally cant see how anyone can say rugby needs more technical ability than football.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambosim Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 had this arguement with a few folk as well, personally cant see how anyone can say rugby needs more technical ability than football.... explain??? people that say this mince dont have the foggiest of whats required in rugby anyway and just jump on the wagon :mad: unless youve played both, mouth shut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveofthegame Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 explain??? people that say this mince dont have the foggiest of whats required in rugby anyway and just jump on the wagon :mad: unless youve played both, mouth shut As posted above i have. And outwith fly half football requires 10x the skill that rugby does. Full Stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamborory Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Football is for divers like mikoliunas football is for pussys. rugby is for men hard men. football is for skillful people like myself or christiano ronaldo. rugby is for fat people like mixu or ally jacobsen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Palmer Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Football is for divers like mikoliunas football is for pussys.rugby is for men hard men. football is for skillful people like myself or christiano ronaldo. rugby is for fat people like mixu or ally jacobsen So footie is for for moaning faced girls who cry when they get kicked.. A lot more skill required for rugby than many think. {Simplicity of football? Offside rule? Too many contentious decisions every week? (Off topic).} Edit: see what your getting at jamborory...!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamborory Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 So footie is for for moaning faced girls who cry when they get kicked.. A lot more skill required for rugby than many think. {Simplicity of football? Offside rule? Too many contentious decisions every week? (Off topic).} Edit: see what your getting at jamborory...!! you can see what i'm getting at or i've too see what i'm getting at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 As posted above i have. And outwith fly half football requires 10x the skill that rugby does. Full Stop. I suspect you played in the backs- front rowers might look like cumbersome donkeys (and they are!) who wouldn't know skill if it smacked them in the face but I'd say in the level of skill needed to play between international level and social level would be far greater playing those positions in rugby than playing any position in football. Nowadays I just play football, but while living in Australia I played rugby for the local town (as a flanker). A couple of times in training I filled in at number 2 and quickly realised that if you haven't had the years of experience and learning for all the particular nuances that go with playing in the front row, you're going to get badly hurt very quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Drago Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 explain??? people that say this mince dont have the foggiest of whats required in rugby anyway and just jump on the wagon :mad: unless youve played both, mouth shut I havent played proper 15 a side rugby but i have played it. My arguement basically stems from the fact that ANYONE can run while holding a ball WITHOUT training, whereas to run with a ball at your feet does not come so naturally, especially to do it at the level of C.Ronaldo Messi etc. I know there is a lot more to rugby but I just genuinely dont understand how anyone can say it needs more technical ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Winstone Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 As posted above i have. And outwith fly half football requires 10x the skill that rugby does. Full Stop. Absolute bollox I am afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Spackler Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 I havent played proper 15 a side rugby but i have played it. My arguement basically stems from the fact that ANYONE can run while holding a ball WITHOUT training, whereas to run with a ball at your feet does not come so naturally, especially to do it at the level of C.Ronaldo Messi etc. I know there is a lot more to rugby but I just genuinely dont understand how anyone can say it needs more technical ability. You don't understand because you don't have the experience to judge! You've just said it! Listen to what folk are saying. I played both but I would consider myself a better footballer than rugby player. I found rugby much more difficult. As an example few players can spin a decent pass off both hands. Timing a run in a backs move to split a good defence takes an incredible amount of practice. Catching a ball at full tilt and adjusting your footing to try and get past a imminantly pending tackle can be seriously difficult. As for the forwards hookers need skill. They need to throw in which isn't as easy as it looks. In the old days a good hooker could take a ball against the head but that's rarer now. The dark arts the props get up to when the ref isn't looking only a prop can tell you about. The second row need to know all that line-out stuff. The back row need to be able to read a game and get involved in the backs play. A scrum half needs good quick hands and feet. A stand off needs kicking ability and hands not to mention vision. Sheer skill will take you further in football. Sheer fitness will take you further in rugby. Technical ability is needed in both. However because Rugby so specialised in so many areas it can easily be argued that you need more technical ability to play rugby at any reasonable level. Football is simpler but nobody would describe Rugby as the "beautiful game". As to which is better, well that's entirely subjective. I like both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Drago Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 You don't understand because you don't have the experience to judge! You've just said it! Listen to what folk are saying. I played both but I would consider myself a better footballer than rugby player. I found rugby much more difficult. As an example few players can spin a decent pass off both hands. Timing a run in a backs move to split a good defence takes an incredible amount of practice. Catching a ball at full tilt and adjusting your footing to try and get past a imminantly pending tackle can be seriously difficult. As for the forwards hookers need skill. They need to throw in which isn't as easy as it looks. In the old days a good hooker could take a ball against the head but that's rarer now. The dark arts the props get up to when the ref isn't looking only a prop can tell you about. The second row need to know all that line-out stuff. The back row need to be able to read a game and get involved in the backs play. A scrum half needs good quick hands and feet. A stand off needs kicking ability and hands not to mention vision. Sheer skill will take you further in football. Sheer fitness will take you further in rugby. Technical ability is needed in both. However because Rugby so specialised in so many areas it can easily be argued that you need more technical ability to play rugby at any reasonable level. Football is simpler but nobody would describe Rugby as the "beautiful game". As to which is better, well that's entirely subjective. I like both. I do understand, i just disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic Username Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Having done a stint in Australia where football (or "soccer") isn't the main sport, I got right into their rugby league, the NRL. In particular The Manly (it's a suburb, not "ooohhh we're manly") Sea Eagles. I always get confused between league and union, but which ever one is the one where you roll the ball under you when you get tackled is a lot more exciting and fast paced. In Australia some of the games I watched were absolutely amazing entertainment. It's hard for me to get that excited about rugby at a national or club level here as I've been brought up on a staple diet of Hearts since I was a nipper but if it was anything like it is in OZ then I'd happily go watch the rugby when I couldn't see The Hearts. All this farting about in a heap for 10 minutes nonsense is what bores me senseless. It's a bit like test cricket, I don't mind watching one day internationals because it's done there and then and it's got an edge to it where as these ridiculous 4 day tests or whatever are dire. Back on topic - football for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Spackler Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 I do understand, i just disagree. Fair enough. Reading back I didn't mean to be so patronising by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Following on from IJs thread on Rugby I thought I would test opinion on an argument that I have had with many a 'rugger' fan. My point is that there are far more skills, techniques etc that one has to learn in order to play football at the highest level than there are in Rugby. Agree and if not explain! i hate rugby always have. but i don't think you can compare them, they are two completely different sports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Drago Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Fair enough. Reading back I didn't mean to be so patronising by the way. id expect nothing less from a rugger bugger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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