BRY Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 IMO, a pyramid league structure is a must - at the bottom of the SFL leagues, there is no fear of relegation and nothing really to play for. Why not restructure the whole thing so that a (possibly) better team from the likes of the Highland League can work their way up? As has been mentioned before though - if the pyramid is geographically based, what happens if a team from the "south" gets relegated, but a team from the "north" wins promotion - there will be an uneven number of teams in the north/south divisions. Does anyone know how they manage that with the Blue Square north/south? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tott Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 With you all the way there. Swap games against Rangers, Celtic and Hibs for encounters with Dunfermline, Dundee, and St Johnstone? No thanks. Even though playing the OF 4 times a season,makes it harder for a team outwith the OF to win the league? Playing them once home and away would create a more competitive league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4marsbars Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 If this happened it would be chosen on the top four of the first division no doubt. But if we got to choose, mine would be. St Johnstone Partick Thistle Dunfermline Dundee Evening up the East/West coast divide quite nicely! I'd be happy with these four; away trips to St J and Partick highly recommended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 Dunfermline Queen of the South St Johnstone Dundee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blairdin Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 I think a home and away game against each of the old firm is more than enough for me. I actually think with less points to lose against the old firm, the league would be tighter as other clubs (those that usually challenge for third) would be in with a shout, only needing to win a home macth against the old firm to be in with a real chance of splitting them. FWIW, I would like to see Queen of the South (purely because SW Scotland is under-represented in top flight football) with Raith Rovers, St Johnstone and Dunfermline (clubs that have met SPL requirements but continue to run within their means) introduced. That would still give Dundee, Partick Thistle, Airdrie United, Clyde, Livingston and Stirling Albion in the next tier with the potential and onfrastructure to challenge for top divison football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo191 Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 If this happened it would be chosen on the top four of the first division no doubt. But if we got to choose, mine would be. St Johnstone Partick Thistle cant stand this lot! Dunfermline Dundee Evening up the East/West coast divide quite nicely! Instead of Partick, i would like to see Raith come back. Btw it would be nice to see the dundee derby back, i always enjoyed the tussle between the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut The Crap Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 Even though playing the OF 4 times a season,makes it harder for a team outwith the OF to win the league? Playing them once home and away would create a more competitive league. I'm not convinced it would. We had an 18-team top league until 1975. Rangers and Celtic were pretty much as dominant in that format as they are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo191 Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 I really hope this never happens!!! :xmasunsure: Personally I would rather play 3/4 times against OF and Hibs then 2 games against teams worse then Gretna and Hamilton!! To answer the question; If it did happen I would go for a top team 1st division team in conjunction with best stadia and cash flow. Might be unfair to a few teams thou.:xmascrazy: I would love the league extended! Only playing once home and away will make it all that more exciting! Not to mention i firmly believe the top 4 teams in the 1st division could cause a few upsets and do not bad themselves... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bean counter Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 St Johnstone Dundee Dunfermline Livingston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 IMO, a pyramid league structure is a must - at the bottom of the SFL leagues, there is no fear of relegation and nothing really to play for. Why not restructure the whole thing so that a (possibly) better team from the likes of the Highland League can work their way up? As has been mentioned before though - if the pyramid is geographically based, what happens if a team from the "south" gets relegated, but a team from the "north" wins promotion - there will be an uneven number of teams in the north/south divisions. Does anyone know how they manage that with the Blue Square north/south? i'm curious about that as well, does anyone know what happens in other countries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_prem/7730721.stm Notice it's all good honest Scottish managers. If those six were a band they'd be called status quo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 I agree with Eldar and Borthers plan. As for the "think tank", no Rinus Michels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest juvehearts Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 the whole of scottish football needs restructured IMO. 3 leagues with a pyrmid system in place like they do in Germany. if it was to be 16 teams then they would have to be, Dundee Dunfermline St Johnstone QoS You could add, Clyde, Raith & Partick Thistle in there also. FWIW we would need a large sponcership deal along with TV rights & a major coperate deal for anything like this to happen. its no good facing partick away with 6000 at the game, that im afraid is the SPL adverage 6000 or theirs about only 5 clubs in scotland can get over 10k every week The OF Hearts Hibs Aberdeen no-one else can come close, they all are about the same between 4-5k, its just not good enough to sustain Scottish Football, we would need these OF glory hunters to support their local teams instead of the bus loads that leave from villages from all over scotland to go down to see them play every week. its all good winning a cup & finishing 3rd for a few games in european football every few seasons, but we are an ambitious club we need to believe that we can every season win the league, but with the biggot sisters dominating scottish football then everyone has no chance, the only & i mean the only way for this to ever go ahead is to break away from the pair & start up our own league with every other club bar them, that way thwy will have no where to go & have to bow in to pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetic Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 only 5 clubs in scotland can get over 10k every week The OF Hearts Hibs Aberdeen no-one else can come close, they all are about the same between 4-5k, its just not good enough to sustain Scottish Football, we would need these OF glory hunters to support their local teams instead of the bus loads that leave from villages from all over scotland to go down to see them play every week. I think that's where the problem is. Can you see the likes of Motherwell or Killie voting for a league set up that only gives them two big paydays on the gate against the OF instead of four? It would be great for the teams that yoyo between the SPL and First because they'd be guaranteed some big cash gates, but the established SPL teams outside of the five you mentioned would lose cash out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 I think that's where the problem is. Can you see the likes of Motherwell or Killie voting for a league set up that only gives them two big paydays on the gate against the OF instead of four? It would be great for the teams that yoyo between the SPL and First because they'd be guaranteed some big cash gates, but the established SPL teams outside of the five you mentioned would lose cash out of it. It would be a case of balance. Would they rather four big paydays, but more chance of relegation, or two big paydays with a greater comfort zone annually? Kilmarnock are a good example. They could not afford to be relegated, yet it is a concern annually due to the lack of teams in our league. Bring in another six or eight and they are instantly a mid table side with a high probability of maintaining top league status. I would suggest that Kilmarnock fans will come out in greater numbers if they are winning more and if it is as close to guaranteed as a side like Kilmarnock will get that they will stay up, they may invest a little bit more in their side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetic Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 It would be a case of balance. Would they rather four big paydays, but more chance of relegation, or two big paydays with a greater comfort zone annually? Kilmarnock are a good example. They could not afford to be relegated, yet it is a concern annually due to the lack of teams in our league. Bring in another six or eight and they are instantly a mid table side with a high probability of maintaining top league status. I would suggest that Kilmarnock fans will come out in greater numbers if they are winning more and if it is as close to guaranteed as a side like Kilmarnock will get that they will stay up, they may invest a little bit more in their side. Hopefully that's what would happen, but I doubt it. They've already given in to the OF on the 5% ticket levy because they were faced with a boycott. Was it not the case earlier in the season when they were on a good run that their crowds were actually down on last year? It's a good idea about them investing more in their team if they knew they weren't going down, I hadn't thought about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut The Crap Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 I think that's where the problem is. Can you see the likes of Motherwell or Killie voting for a league set up that only gives them two big paydays on the gate against the OF instead of four? It would be great for the teams that yoyo between the SPL and First because they'd be guaranteed some big cash gates, but the established SPL teams outside of the five you mentioned would lose cash out of it. Agreed. I'd add our name and Hibs to the list. We'd be dropping from six guaranteed full houses to only three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted December 15, 2008 Share Posted December 15, 2008 I would like: St Johnstone Dundee Dunfermline Partick Thistle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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