dkmmgcycbwc Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 BEFORE tomorrow's game and before the inevitable inquest into whether MacDonald's performance and decisions were simply bad or personally biased could someone please update the incredible statistics relating to Hearts results in games he has refereed. I think they answer the question raised above. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footieman Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 So basically you are saying there is no point playing tomorrows game, as Dougie MacDonald is the ref so we will inevitably lose the match.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.J Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 So basically you are saying there is no point playing tomorrows game, as Dougie MacDonald is the ref so we will inevitably lose the match.... We might sneak a draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footieman Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 We might sneak a draw. I was a bit worried there, I take it Calum Murray must be running the line then, he is a good jambo after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmmgcycbwc Posted November 11, 2008 Author Share Posted November 11, 2008 So basically you are saying there is no point playing tomorrows game, as Dougie MacDonald is the ref so we will inevitably lose the match.... No I'm not saying that but I personally think it makes the game a lot more difficult and the statistics appear to back that up. My reason for posting this now is that AFTER the event - and even if, as on Saturday, we do manage a win - I think raising issues now has more credibility than it would after a bad result. Also one day one of the journalists (who obviously do read these pages) MIGHT have the integrity to put in print these totally extraordinary figures. But I'll not hold my breath on that one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 here's a dougie mcdonald stat for all stat fans out there... he's an incompetent, cheating bawbag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footieman Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 I think raising issues now has more credibility than it would after a bad result. I agree with you there, and just for the record I think Dougie MacDonald is right up there with Mike McCurry as the countries worst ref. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambojim52 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Not sure, but I think it's one win in 14 games. If I am wrong ,I am not far off!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Not sure, but I think it's one win in 14 games. If I am wrong ,I am not far off!. It is something like that but I don't know if they include the Gretna cup final as a win (on pens) or a draw (after extra time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Inside 90 minutes our record with him (I think) is 2 wins in 22 games I said inside 90 minutes because he was in charge of the SC final involving us and he tried his utmost to cause an upset, he was Gretnas best player by a country mile! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flimsy Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Definitive answer extrapolated from Londonhearts.com Played - 31 Won - 7 (22.6%) Drawn - 11 (35.5%) Lost - 13 (41.9%) Stats which bear no resemblance to our league results over the past decade, he would have us relegated if he reffed us every week. Although the results may be skewed by the fact that he seems to ref us in Glasgow at least once a season and he never reffed a Hearts home game for a couple of seasons after the Levein spat, he's still a Hobo cheat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmmgcycbwc Posted November 11, 2008 Author Share Posted November 11, 2008 Played - 31 Won - 7 (22.6%) Drawn - 11 (35.5%) Lost - 13 (41.9%) Thanks Flimsy. That's what I was looking for. Recently, since the original London Hearts results were posted here, I think he has has a win and a loss, but no doubt you have included them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Played - 31Won - 7 (22.6%) Drawn - 11 (35.5%) Lost - 13 (41.9%) Thanks Flimsy. That's what I was looking for. Recently, since the original London Hearts results were posted here, I think he has has a win and a loss, but no doubt you have included them. For comparison Our SPL record against Celtic is 8 wins in 39 (20.5). In other words winning against Dougie Mcdonald is almost as difficult as winning against Celtic and certainly less frequent than against any other opposition footieman is wrong to say that there's no point in turning up because the underdog sometimes wins . It's possible that it's just coincidence that a certain referee happens to get games in which Hearts happen to underperform but I did a statistical analysis last time this came up comparing the win ratio in games under MacDonald with the Win Ratio of all our other games over the relevant seasons. I calculated the proability of this imbalance occuring randomly if Dougie McDonald didn't lower our chances to be in the region of 1%. This is quoted from memory because I've not been able to find the thread. If someone posts the link to the LondonHearts I'll crunch the numbers and get an updated estimate of the likeliehood that Dougie McDonald isn't corrupt, biased and spitefull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 all you need to know about mcdonald can be summed up by remembering the 2006 scottish cup final. gretna player townsley and hartley run down a ball going out of play on the stand side line, townsley takes a sly kick at hartley to goad him into retaliation, hartley falls for it and boots townsley, mcdonald swans across and sends off hartley while ignoring townsley. mcdonald in a proverbial nutshell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 There will be no need for the linesman or 4th official to get involved tomorrow to feck us up that's for sure:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 According to Our all time Win Record in SPL matches is 159/382 = 41.6% http://www.londonhearts.com/scores/tea/lspl.html If the 7/31 figure is correct Our all time Win Record in SPL matches not officiated by Dougie McDonald is 152/351=43.3 We have won around half as often with him officiating as without. Taking this as our control Sample the probability of getting less than 8 wins in 31 matches if the sample was the same as the control sample is 1.38%. That's odds of 72/1 against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tynie b Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 all you need to know about mcdonald can be summed up by remembering the 2006 scottish cup final. gretna player townsley and hartley run down a ball going out of play on the stand side line, townsley takes a sly kick at hartley to goad him into retaliation, hartley falls for it and boots townsley, mcdonald swans across and sends off hartley while ignoring townsley. mcdonald in a proverbial nutshell. That's another reason I wasn't bothered about that Mickey Mouse club going t!ts up!! Some of their players, I hated more than some Hobo players!! Back on Topic, Dougie McDonald is a Cheatin Hobo Barsteward...Unfortunately, No one cares except Us!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 all you need to know about mcdonald can be summed up by remembering the 2006 scottish cup final. gretna player townsley and hartley run down a ball going out of play on the stand side line, townsley takes a sly kick at hartley to goad him into retaliation, hartley falls for it and boots townsley, mcdonald swans across and sends off hartley while ignoring townsley. mcdonald in a proverbial nutshell. Add to that Rudi's desperate attempt to stay on his feet when he was tackled in the Gretna penalty box. Was obvious McHobo was desperate to send him off if he went down - and Rudi and our players were clearly forewarned too, which speaks volumes as to how obvious McDonald's bias is. Come to think of it, has there EVER been a Hearts-leaning referee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebles jambo Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 is there any way you can let your feelings be known on an sfa website, surely they must know he is a cheating hibby ****** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Add to that Rudi's desperate attempt to stay on his feet when he was tackled in the Gretna penalty box. Was obvious McHobo was desperate to send him off if he went down - and Rudi and our players were clearly forewarned too, which speaks volumes as to how obvious McDonald's bias is. Come to think of it, has there EVER been a Hearts-leaning referee? yes, another good example. that was a case of trying to keep your footing to save a red card if ever i saw one. the penalty could still have been awarded...... but naturally it wasn't. i thought the gretna penalty was on the soft side as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Harris Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 ... This is quoted from memory because I've not been able to find the thread. ... your previous posts on this are located on the following thread: http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/showthread.php?t=5008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7628mm Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 According to Our all time Win Record in SPL matches is 159/382 = 41.6% http://www.londonhearts.com/scores/tea/lspl.html If the 7/31 figure is correct Our all time Win Record in SPL matches not officiated by Dougie McDonald is 152/351=43.3 We have won around half as often with him officiating as without. Taking this as our control Sample the probability of getting less than 8 wins in 31 matches if the sample was the same as the control sample is 1.38%. That's odds of 72/1 against. TC you really really really need to get a life ya kagool, anorack, trainspotter etc Where on earth is officer Dibble when you need him? Off to the cells with you:) PS thanks for the info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambonian Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Add to that Rudi's desperate attempt to stay on his feet when he was tackled in the Gretna penalty box. Was obvious McHobo was desperate to send him off if he went down - and Rudi and our players were clearly forewarned too, which speaks volumes as to how obvious McDonald's bias is. Come to think of it, has there EVER been a Hearts-leaning referee? The only referee that i remember who's a Jambo was the one that didn't give us a penalty at Dens Park in '86 when Sandy Clark was brought down! Can't remember his name offhand but during all the press coverage of the Miko/Andy Davis fiasco (with Davis suposedly a Rangers fan), he said he didn't want to give Hearts the penalty as it might've been suggested he gave it because he was a Jambo and showed bias! If that was the case, why was he given that match in the first place? You have to ask though...had it been a penalty for one of the "bigott brothers", would that've stopped a ref that supported one of them!? I think not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del1812 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Add to that Rudi's desperate attempt to stay on his feet when he was tackled in the Gretna penalty box. Was obvious McHobo was desperate to send him off if he went down - and Rudi and our players were clearly forewarned too, which speaks volumes as to how obvious McDonald's bias is. Come to think of it, has there EVER been a Hearts-leaning referee? Isn't Stuart Dougal a Hearts fan? Hibs fans certainly seem to think he is. Plus he gets a lot of derbies and I think we have a very good record in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie Walnut Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Out of interest what is Hibs record with McDonald refereeing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 The only referee that i remember who's a Jambo was the one that didn't give us a penalty at Dens Park in '86 when Sandy Clark was brought down! Can't remember his name offhand but during all the press coverage of the Miko/Andy Davis fiasco (with Davis suposedly a Rangers fan), he said he didn't want to give Hearts the penalty as it might've been suggested he gave it because he was a Jambo and showed bias! If that was the case, why was he given that match in the first place? You have to ask though...had it been a penalty for one of the "bigott brothers", would that've stopped a ref that supported one of them!? I think not! Bill Crombie who was ref in the '87 semi was a Jambo. Is he who you are thinking of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzo Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Re the Skacel non-penalty McDonald wrote something along the lines of "at first sight it was a penalty..but subsequent viewing has proved my interpretation right". But "first sight" is what you had Mr McD.!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Definitive answer extrapolated from Londonhearts.com Played - 31 Won - 7 (22.6%) Drawn - 11 (35.5%) Lost - 13 (41.9%) Stats which bear no resemblance to our league results over the past decade, he would have us relegated if he reffed us every week. Although the results may be skewed by the fact that he seems to ref us in Glasgow at least once a season and he never reffed a Hearts home game for a couple of seasons after the Levein spat, he's still a Hobo cheat. Would be interesting to see his record after his fight with Craig Levien following the Rugby Park debacle, I'm sure it's round about 2 in 22 games won or something along those lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Re the Skacel non-penalty McDonald wrote something along the lines of "at first sight it was a penalty..but subsequent viewing has proved my interpretation right". But "first sight" is what you had Mr McD.!! When interpreted, means he cheated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sked21 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Is McDonald the ref tomorrow? Two games in a row! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouse Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Isn't Stuart Dougal a Hearts fan? Hibs fans certainly seem to think he is. Plus he gets a lot of derbies and I think we have a very good record in them. that's cause the hobos are ***** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Bill Crombie was the Dens 86 ref .............. He grew up a Jambo but said he lost all allegiances when he became a Grade 1 ref ... he didn't think it was right for a ref to support anyone:eek: he's more interested in finding youngsters nowadays... I think for St Johnstone he was a Janitor/Maintenance in a W Edinburgh Council Building Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zico Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Re the Skacel non-penalty McDonald wrote something along the lines of "at first sight it was a penalty..but subsequent viewing has proved my interpretation right". But "first sight" is what you had Mr McD.!! What, you mean like when he didn't see Balde nearly breaking Bednar's leg in the box at Parkhead because he "was too far away to see"? Eh, that's what the linesmen (and fourth officials apparently!) are there for Doogie. Not really one for the conspiracy theories, but he undoubtedly has it in for us. Whether that's because he's a Hibs fan or has something against us because Levein highlighted his incompetence, I've no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Macdonald is a cheat and a hobo. This clown should never ref any games Hearts are involved in. As one poster says, nobody bothers about it apart from us, so nothing gets done. I am the kind of guy that would help someone in distress but with this clown i would walk on by and leave him to get on with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john brownlee Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 I was going to go to the match tomorrow and skip my night class but when I was informed that hobocheat was the ref. I was afraid I might burst a blood vessal or shout shameful things and upset he wee girl that sits in front of me. (already done it once this season) Its only one game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Re the Skacel non-penalty McDonald wrote something along the lines of "at first sight it was a penalty..but subsequent viewing has proved my interpretation right". But "first sight" is what you had Mr McD.!! LOL!!! did he really say that? so basically he thought it looked like a penalty but then immediately he had to think of reasons why he didn't have to give one. surely the maroon shirt is enough of a reason for the cheating bassa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdewar42 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 all you need to know about mcdonald can be summed up by remembering the 2006 scottish cup final. gretna player townsley and hartley run down a ball going out of play on the stand side line, townsley takes a sly kick at hartley to goad him into retaliation, hartley falls for it and boots townsley, mcdonald swans across and sends off hartley while ignoring townsley. mcdonald in a proverbial nutshell. Perhaps it's just as well that Townsley was not dismissed, because, if my memory serves me well, did he not miss one of the penalties? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Perhaps it's just as well that Townsley was not dismissed, because, if my memory serves me well, did he not miss one of the penalties? you're quite right. i've also often thought that it would have been sod's law that hartley would have missed one. it could be that someone was smiling on us from above. we'll never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chat Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Would be interesting to see his record after his fight with Craig Levien following the Rugby Park debacle, I'm sure it's round about 2 in 22 games won or something along those lines. Exactly what I was going to suggest. I'm sure the results will be significantly different. Tosser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo27_22 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Bill Crombie was the Dens 86 ref .............. He grew up a Jambo but said he lost all allegiances when he became a Grade 1 ref ... he didn't think it was right for a ref to support anyone:eek: he's more interested in finding youngsters nowadays... I think for St Johnstone he was a Janitor/Maintenance in a W Edinburgh Council Building Can confirm 100% that he never ever lost his allegiance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 9/11/2002 L SPL Kilmarnock 1-1 Rugby Park 15/10/2005 L SPL Dundee 1-1 Dens Park 7/2/2006 L SPL Aberdeen 0-0 Tynecastle 18/8/2007 L SPL Celtic 2-2 Parkhead 19/1/2002 L SPL Rangers 0-0 Tynecastle 3/5/2003 L SPL Hibernian 1-1 Easter Road 5/4/2006 L SPL Celtic 1-1 Parkhead 9/9/2006 L SPL Dundee United 1-1 Tannadice Park 16/7/2008 L SPL Kilmarnock 0-0 Rugby Park 27/9/2008 L SPL St Mirren 1-1 Tynecastle 9/12/2000 L SPL Gretna 1-1 Tynecastle 3/4/2004 L SPL Kilmarnock 0-1 Rugby Park 12/9/2004 L SPL Livingston 0-2 Almondvale Stadium 2/1/2005 L SPL Rangers 0-2 Ibrox 17/2/2007 L SPL Kilmarnock 0-1 Rugby Park 7/4/2002 L SPL Rangers 2-3 Ibrox 28/11/2004 LC Motherwell 2-3 Easter Road 19/11/2006 L SPL Celtic 0-1 Parkhead 15/12/2007 L SPL St Mirren 0-1 Tynecastle 16/2/2008 L SPL Rangers 0-1 Tynecastle 21/7/1999 F FC Barcelona 1-3 Murrayfield 1/2/2003 L SPL Rangers 1-2 Ibrox 12/5/2004 L SPL Celtic 0-3 Parkhead 26/4/2008 F Dunfermline Athletic 0-1 East End Park 13/5/2006 L SPL Dundee United 0-3 Tannadice Park 27/4/2001 F Fulham 3-2 Tynecastle 3/8/2002 L SPL Kilmarnock 3-0 Rugby Park 30/12/2006 L SPL Dunfermline Athletic 3-0 Tynecastle 16/9/2001 L SPL Rangers 1-0 Ibrox 1/2/2005 L SPL Livingston 4-1 Almondvale Stadium 11/9/2005 L SPL Inverness Caledonian Thistle 1-0 Tynecastle 28/7/2007 SC Gretna 1-1 Hampden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Heritage Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Ignore previous list 21/7/1999 F Fulham 3-2 Tynecastle 9/12/2000 L SPL Kilmarnock 3-0 Rugby Park 1/2/2003 L SPL Dunfermline Athletic 3-0 Tynecastle 12/5/2004 L SPL Rangers 1-0 Ibrox 11/9/2005 L SPL Livingston 4-1 Almondvale Stadium 13/5/2006 SC Gretna 1-1 Hampden 26/4/2008 L SPL Inverness Caledonian Thistle 1-0 Tynecastle 27/4/2001 L SPL Kilmarnock 1-1 Rugby Park 3/8/2002 L SPL Dundee 1-1 Dens Park 9/11/2002 L SPL Aberdeen 0-0 Tynecastle 3/4/2004 L SPL Celtic 2-2 Parkhead 12/9/2004 L SPL Rangers 0-0 Tynecastle 2/1/2005 L SPL Hibernian 1-1 Easter Road 15/10/2005 L SPL Celtic 1-1 Parkhead 7/2/2006 L SPL Dundee United 1-1 Tannadice Park 30/12/2006 L SPL Kilmarnock 0-0 Rugby Park 17/2/2007 L SPL St Mirren 1-1 Tynecastle 18/8/2007 L SPL Gretna 1-1 Tynecastle 16/9/2001 L SPL Kilmarnock 0-1 Rugby Park 19/1/2002 L SPL Livingston 0-2 Almondvale Stadium 7/4/2002 L SPL Rangers 0-2 Ibrox 3/5/2003 L SPL Kilmarnock 0-1 Rugby Park 28/11/2004 L SPL Rangers 2-3 Ibrox 1/2/2005 LC Motherwell 2-3 Easter Road 5/4/2006 L SPL Celtic 0-1 Parkhead 9/9/2006 L SPL St Mirren 0-1 Tynecastle 19/11/2006 L SPL Rangers 0-1 Tynecastle 28/7/2007 F FC Barcelona 1-3 Murrayfield 15/12/2007 L SPL Rangers 1-2 Ibrox 16/2/2008 L SPL Celtic 0-3 Parkhead 16/7/2008 F Dunfermline Athletic 0-1 East End Park 27/9/2008 L SPL Dundee United 0-3 Tannadice Park Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddie Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 all you need to know about mcdonald can be summed up by remembering the 2006 scottish cup final. gretna player townsley and hartley run down a ball going out of play on the stand side line, townsley takes a sly kick at hartley to goad him into retaliation, hartley falls for it and boots townsley, mcdonald swans across and sends off hartley while ignoring townsley. mcdonald in a proverbial nutshell. I'm not sure if Hartley made much, if indeed any contact with the big beanpole, but Townsley hadn't even hit the deck before McDonald ran over, and in a way that only attention seeking refs can, flourished the red card in Hartley's face. Absolute disgrace. Apart from the sheer relief of winning the penalty shootout, the best bit of the day was when McDonald went up to collect his medal, a booming 'SFA get tae ******' chant went up that the TV coverage couldn't possibly have drowned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmmgcycbwc Posted November 11, 2008 Author Share Posted November 11, 2008 Ignore previous list 13/5/2006 SC Gretna 1-1 Hampden[/url] 26/4/2008 Surely this game with Gretna should be listed along with other DRAWS. We won the cup but not the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Bigtime Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Stats, schmatz. I'm willing to bet that, even as we speak McDonald is oiling up his old chap in preparation for stick it right up us tomorrow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marooned In Oz Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Add to that Rudi's desperate attempt to stay on his feet when he was tackled in the Gretna penalty box. Was obvious McHobo was desperate to send him off if he went down - and Rudi and our players were clearly forewarned too, which speaks volumes as to how obvious McDonald's bias is. Come to think of it, has there EVER been a Hearts-leaning referee? Not a hearts leaning referee but we seem to get a decent amount of decisions when Stuart Dougal is refereeing. I've always thought dougal was a fair, good referee. Probably the only ref I would actually be happy to see in the middle when Hearts are playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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