Rawrrrrrrr Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Left watford Csaba GTF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo19 Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 where u hear that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted November 3, 2008 Author Share Posted November 3, 2008 where u hear that? Breaking news on SSP that he has been sacked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Left watford Csaba GTF Given their off-field problems, it'd be out of the frying pan, into the fire if he joined us! It ain't gonna happen though: he'll stay down south, and another Championship side will more than likely come in for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Given their off-field problems, it'd be out of the frying pan, into the fire if he joined us! It ain't gonna happen though: he'll stay down south, and another Championship side will more than likely come in for him. His stock is still pretty high, even though Watford have been a bit stagnant since reaching the Premier League. The sort of manager I'd love to have at Hearts but who we won't see under Vlad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 His stock is still pretty high, even though Watford have been a bit stagnant since reaching the Premier League. The sort of manager I'd love to have at Hearts but who we won't see under Vlad. Their problem was they overachieved by miles, and just didn't have the resources to match. Players' wage demands rose massively - and since coming back down, they've basically done a Norwich. Now their parachute payments are running out, they're stuffed. None of that's Boothroyd's fault, and I still rate him highly. But his style of football is what King Herod was to child welfare: all very well if you're winning every week, but if you're not, it's almost impossible to stomach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 http://www.watfordfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10400~1442794,00.html Though curiously, neither the Beeb nor SKY's sites are running with it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickmaroon Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Breaking news on SSP that he has been sacked SSP - Scottish Socialist Party? How would they know??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Dee Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Unfortunatly, while Romanov is at the Club, at best we will tread water. No manager in his right mind would come to Hearts as long as VR is picking the team, substitutions, & transfer targets. Scolari would de well to make the top 6! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
$ilvery_Moon Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Not surprising in the slightest. Boothroyd is living off half a season where he got Watford into the playoffs and then promoted. That was a great achievement but it has all been downhill since then. He has spent a fortune on average players (wages and transfers) and they are in serious financial difficulty. Since they got relegated from the Premier League they have been shocking, and the players he signed haven't been able to adjust. It's four weeks since I last watched them and they were absolutely dreadful. They have sold ?20 million+ worth of players, got parachute payment money, they have lost the money they had earmarked for the redevelopment of the condemned stand at Vicarage Road, are on the verge of administration, and have been left with a squad that will seriously struggle to remain in the CCC. I'm genuinely shocked it has taken them this long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Not surprising in the slightest. Boothroyd is living off half a season where he got Watford into the playoffs and then promoted. That was a great achievement but it has all been downhill since then. He has spent a fortune on average players (wages and transfers) and they are in serious financial difficulty. Since they got relegated from the Premier League they have been shocking, and the players he signed haven't been able to adjust. It's four weeks since I last watched them and they were absolutely dreadful. They have sold ?20 million+ worth of players, got parachute payment money, they have lost the money they had earmarked for the redevelopment of the condemned stand at Vicarage Road, are on the verge of administration, and have been left with a squad that will seriously struggle to remain in the CCC. I'm genuinely shocked it has taken them this long. They have been shocking since they got relegated, yes. But so have Norwich, Southampton, Leicester, Coventry, Charlton, Forest, Leeds... have you noticed the pattern yet? If you don't make exactly the right signings and bounce straight back, you're left in desperate trouble. And if you've also completely overstretched in the first place... eek! Boothroyd spent a fortune by Watford's standards - but they had the lowest wage bill in the Prem by a country mile! Their real problem is they're nowhere near a big enough club to sustain themselves at that level: in truth, their natural resting place is as Championship strugglers. That's exactly what happened to them after Graham Taylor spectacularly overachieved there around a decade ago; and it's simply occurred again this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
$ilvery_Moon Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 They have been shocking since they got relegated, yes. But so have Norwich, Southampton, Leicester, Coventry, Charlton, Forest, Leeds... have you noticed the pattern yet? If you don't make exactly the right signings and bounce straight back, you're left in desperate trouble. And if you've also completely overstretched in the first place... eek! Boothroyd spent a fortune by Watford's standards - but they had the lowest wage bill in the Prem by a country mile! Their real problem is they're nowhere near a big enough club to sustain themselves at that level: in truth, their natural resting place is as Championship strugglers. That's exactly what happened to them after Graham Taylor spectacularly overachieved there around a decade ago; and it's simply occurred again this time. Adrian Boothroyd spent the money, he signed the players, and he along with the board are responsible for the predicament they find themselves in. 1 year in the Premier League getting sub 20 points and seasons of mediocrity thereafter spending what he has done is not over-achievement IMO. They had a great opportunity to take the Premier money, spend it wisely, and leave the club on a sound financial footing. They gambled on getting promoted again, offered Boothroyd a ridiculous contract, he spent money will nilly on players that aren't/weren't good enough, and now they are in big trouble. They are a CCC club, and they don't have the muscle to maintain Premier League status, but his financial mis-management has left them in the trouble they are in today. Watford are in a FAR worse position now than when he took over, and they have lost the money they had earmarked for the ground re-development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CostaJambo Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 I reckon we are probably still 2 or 3 Vlad-puppets away from him biting the bullet and finally hiring a proper manager. That is assuming he is still at the helm by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Adrian Boothroyd spent the money, he signed the players, and he along with the board are responsible for the predicament they find themselves in. 1 year in the Premier League getting sub 20 points and seasons of mediocrity thereafter spending what he has done is not over-achievement IMO. They had a great opportunity to take the Premier money, spend it wisely, and leave the club on a sound financial footing. They gambled on getting promoted again, offered Boothroyd a ridiculous contract, he spent money will nilly on players that aren't/weren't good enough, and now they are in big trouble. They are a CCC club, and they don't have the muscle to maintain Premier League status, but his financial mis-management has left them in the trouble they are in today. Watford are in a FAR worse position now than when he took over, and they have lost the money they had earmarked for the ground re-development. I honestly don't think it's that simple, mate. The reverse has happened to far, far too many clubs, my English side included. They got found out midway through last season after a cracking start: exactly what happened the last time they came back down from the Prem, weirdly enough. And if it could happen to a club manager as superb as Graham Taylor, it could happen to anyone. And while I agree that giving themselves financial stability in the Champ should've been their first objective, how do you do that when players were on wages beyond the club's means (because of being in the EPL) in the first place? Look at Charlton. A byword for stability and good husbandry for years - but it was only ever going to last as long as they stayed up. One crazy summer, and one kneejerk sacking (of Dowie) cost them everything: now they're peering into the abyss of League 1! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
$ilvery_Moon Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 I honestly don't think it's that simple, mate. The reverse has happened to far, far too many clubs, my English side included. They got found out midway through last season after a cracking start: exactly what happened the last time they came back down from the Prem, weirdly enough. And if it could happen to a club manager as superb as Graham Taylor, it could happen to anyone. And while I agree that giving themselves financial stability in the Champ should've been their first objective, how do you do that when players were on wages beyond the club's means (because of being in the EPL) in the first place? Look at Charlton. A byword for stability and good husbandry for years - but it was only ever going to last as long as they stayed up. One crazy summer, and one kneejerk sacking (of Dowie) cost them everything: now they're peering into the abyss of League 1! When Watford were promoted to the Premier League they and Aidy knew it was likely they would be relegated. You are correct in saying it is difficult to adjust if you make the wrong decisions, Watford and several clubs before them have done it, but with a bit of planning and financial foresight it is possible to keep a tight ship in that league and plan for the future. Sadly that is the aim for most CCC sides now unless they have mega money backers like Sunderland who were willing to invest huge amounts of money. They should have been able to budget correctly even with Premier salaries, (you have 2 years worth of parachute money), the TV and sponsorship money received whilst in the Premier League, and Watford on top of that received ?20 million+ in player sales. Despite that they have been left with debts larger than before they were initially promoted. Watford have won 5 games in their last 31 in the league, and Aidy and their board have left them in financial meltdown. They finished last season with a 6-1 aggregate defeat to Hull in the play-offs and before that they went on a run where they only won one league game after Valentine's Day. It's not good enough and it's not surprising he has been sacked. Too many clubs have gone down the wrong route and spent money and offered contracts outwith their means. Boothroyd and Watford spent money they didn't have and the gamble has failed. That is why clubs like Stoke, Wigan and Hull are in the Premier now, and why more relative unknowns will come up in the future because many of the 'bigger clubs' are struggling to service the debt of past mistakes and ridiculous over-spending. Kevin McCabe's model is what all CCC clubs should be aiming for. Steady growth, spending and offering contracts within their means, and a sound financial footing despite relegation from the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canada Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Not surprising in the slightest. Boothroyd is living off half a season where he got Watford into the playoffs and then promoted. That was a great achievement but it has all been downhill since then. He has spent a fortune on average players (wages and transfers) and they are in serious financial difficulty. Since they got relegated from the Premier League they have been shocking, and the players he signed haven't been able to adjust. It's four weeks since I last watched them and they were absolutely dreadful. They have sold ?20 million+ worth of players, got parachute payment money, they have lost the money they had earmarked for the redevelopment of the condemned stand at Vicarage Road, are on the verge of administration, and have been left with a squad that will seriously struggle to remain in the CCC. I'm genuinely shocked it has taken them this long. Can't agree they've been shocking since they got relegated given the fact they reached the play-off semi finals last year and actually were top of the table for a large chunk of the season. IMO he's a great young manager who talks a lot of sense and will go onto greater things. Also I think it's unfair to blame him for the financial mess as I don't know any managers who control the purse strings at their club, if he's given a budget then of course he's going to spend it. Lay off him, he's a good Jambo! (well at least for that game where he scored 4) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
$ilvery_Moon Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Watford have won 5 games in their last 31 in the league, and Aidy and their board have left them in financial meltdown. They finished last season with a 6-1 aggregate defeat to Hull in the play-offs and before that they went on a run where they only won one league game after Valentine's Day. It's not good enough and it's not surprising he has been sacked. Can't agree they've been shocking since they got relegated given the fact they reached the play-off semi finals last year and actually were top of the table for a large chunk of the season. IMO he's a great young manager who talks a lot of sense and will go onto greater things. I rest my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 When Watford were promoted to the Premier League they and Aidy knew it was likely they would be relegated. You are correct in saying it is difficult to adjust if you make the wrong decisions, Watford and several clubs before them have done it, but with a bit of planning and financial foresight it is possible to keep a tight ship in that league and plan for the future. Sadly that is the aim for most CCC sides now unless they have mega money backers like Sunderland who were willing to invest huge amounts of money. They should have been able to budget correctly even with Premier salaries, (you have 2 years worth of parachute money), the TV and sponsorship money received whilst in the Premier League, and Watford on top of that received ?20 million+ in player sales. Despite that they have been left with debts larger than before they were initially promoted. Watford have won 5 games in their last 31 in the league, and Aidy and their board have left them in financial meltdown. They finished last season with a 6-1 aggregate defeat to Hull in the play-offs and before that they went on a run where they only won one league game after Valentine's Day. It's not good enough and it's not surprising he has been sacked. Too many clubs have gone down the wrong route and spent money and offered contracts outwith their means. Boothroyd and Watford spent money they didn't have and the gamble has failed. That is why clubs like Stoke, Wigan and Hull are in the Premier now, and why more relative unknowns will come up in the future because many of the 'bigger clubs' are struggling to service the debt of past mistakes and ridiculous over-spending. Kevin McCabe's model is what all CCC clubs should be aiming for. Steady growth, spending and offering contracts within their means, and a sound financial footing despite relegation from the Premier League. What's curious, though, is my Watford-supporting mate is devastated by today's news, and blames the board entirely - as do most 'Orns, if the Watford Observer's anything to go by! It's scary what can happen though: I never thought it would happen to Norwich when we came back down, but yikes! Incidentally, Kevin McCabe's model looks so much better when you add ?30m to it, eh? By the way, I've forgotten: are you a Blades man? Or a fan of the club formerly known as Leicester Fosse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 He'd be a mug to come to us under the current regime anyway, he's a bright young prosperous manager with ambition, far too good for us right now, at least until we get rid of Vlad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
$ilvery_Moon Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 What's curious, though, is my Watford-supporting mate is devastated by today's news, and blames the board entirely - as do most 'Orns, if the Watford Observer's anything to go by! It's scary what can happen though: I never thought it would happen to Norwich when we came back down, but yikes! Incidentally, Kevin McCabe's model looks so much better when you add ?30m to it, eh? By the way, I've forgotten: are you a Blades man? Or a fan of the club formerly known as Leicester Fosse? Now you've insulted me. Sheffield Wednesday mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canada Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 I rest my case. Why? A top 6 finish in there 1st season in the Championship doesn't prove they've been hopeless since they were relegated. This Calendar year they've been poor but that's not what you said in your original post. I am a Blades fan so no doubt you'll give me stick in your reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
$ilvery_Moon Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Why? A top 6 finish in there 1st season in the Championship doesn't prove they've been hopeless since they were relegated. This Calendar year they've been poor but that's not what you said in your original post. I am a Blades fan so no doubt you'll give me stick in your reply Watford spent money to get promoted. Boothroyd overachieved in his first season (which was very impressive) but then they had their poor Premier showing. He underachieved last season despite what you say, and they have been shocking this season. Watford have been on a downward spiral for a few seasons with Aidy at the helm despite them spending big. His dealings in the transfer market have been woeful and if they didn't have the academy that they have, and the money that that has raised they would already be in administration with a points deduction. No problem with you being a Blade at all. I don't agree for one minute with you though that Boothroyd has done well at Watford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
$ilvery_Moon Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 What's curious, though, is my Watford-supporting mate is devastated by today's news, and blames the board entirely - as do most 'Orns, if the Watford Observer's anything to go by! It's scary what can happen though: I never thought it would happen to Norwich when we came back down, but yikes! Incidentally, Kevin McCabe's model looks so much better when you add ?30m to it, eh? By the way, I've forgotten: are you a Blades man? Or a fan of the club formerly known as Leicester Fosse? I had a look at their forum and it appears to be a mixed bag of opinions. Like you say most do seem to have it on for Simpson. I hate to say it but even without the West Ham money McCabe has left them in a fantastic position. So you're a Norwich man I presume? How do you think you will do this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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