Colonel Kurtz Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Well done to Shabba. We played 4 3 3 yesterday. Both Driver and kingston were told to stay up and to push onto the fullbacks. Shabba matched Hibs formation and also pushed our back four up. Scott Booth kept on about Hibs attacking formation but ours was much the same. Both sides played attacking formations which led to a very open match. This Hearts formation was very unrussian ,tells you a lot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Yeah pretty much the same.Just because you don't play with 3 strikers does not mean it can't be 433.Difference for me was how much better our middle 3 were.Aguiar deserves all his praise but i also thought Karpidis was very good as well and looks much more comfortable in a 3.That formtion with a real striker could be deadly as for me Nade just aint got.Yeah he holds the ball up well but he just seems too slow in the mind to react to things quickly enough and seems to dither on the ball when he should bomb on with it ala Driver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Well done to Shabba.We played 4 3 3 yesterday. Both Driver and kingston were told to stay up and to push onto the fullbacks. Shabba matched Hibs formation and also pushed our back four up. Scott Booth kept on about Hibs attacking formation but ours was much the same. Both sides played attacking formations which led to a very open match. This Hearts formation was very unrussian ,tells you a lot? I wondered whether as part of E&Ys involvement one of the things they would be insisting upon is that the important positions within the club were uncompromised - with no interference. The team selection, the tactics, and the lack of unnecessary subs (although we did tire a little before getting a really good second win) made me just wonder a little... Was Botchup even there? Because if we are getting rid of unecessary costs he should be first on the list to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Bapswent Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Well done to Shabba.We played 4 3 3 yesterday. Both Driver and kingston were told to stay up and to push onto the fullbacks. Shabba matched Hibs formation and also pushed our back four up. Scott Booth kept on about Hibs attacking formation but ours was much the same. Both sides played attacking formations which led to a very open match. This Hearts formation was very unrussian ,tells you a lot? I saw it more as a 4-5-1. But applied correctly, with the wingers in full support when going forward, but also coming back to defend. We started moves in our own half and used possession and an extra man to carve out our chances. Its how a 4-5-1 should operate, with 5 men in midfield when in defense, turning that into a 4-3-3 in attack. It can be a decent attacking formation, but gives good stability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 I saw it more as a 4-5-1. But applied correctly, with the wingers in full support when going forward, but also coming back to defend. We started moves in our own half and used possession and an extra man to carve out our chances. Its how a 4-5-1 should operate, with 5 men in midfield when in defense, turning that into a 4-3-3 in attack. It can be a decent attacking formation, but gives good stability. It's a formation that always seems to work well against Hibs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam Tarts 1874 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 I wondered whether as part of E&Ys involvement one of the things they would be insisting upon is that the important positions within the club were uncompromised - with no interference. The team selection, the tactics, and the lack of unnecessary subs (although we did tire a little before getting a really good second win) made me just wonder a little... Was Botchup even there? Because if we are getting rid of unecessary costs he should be first on the list to go. Wonder about what? To even think that Ernst & Young are at Tynecastle having anything to do with matters on the pitch is crazy, what a stupid suggestion! Anyone with half a brain cell can see that the changes came about due to key players being fit enough to return - end of! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut The Crap Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 I wondered whether as part of E&Ys involvement one of the things they would be insisting upon is that the important positions within the club were uncompromised - with no interference. The team selection, the tactics, and the lack of unnecessary subs (although we did tire a little before getting a really good second win) made me just wonder a little... Was Botchup even there? Because if we are getting rid of unecessary costs he should be first on the list to go. Yes, he was there. On the OP, I'm not sure I saw anything like a 4-3-3 in operation, to be honest, but there's no doubt that Driver's pace and directness made a big difference to our side, both for his own contribution and for the relief it gives to Lee Wallace behind him. And for all I've been underwhelmed with Bruno in the past, I was eating my words yesterday. He was magnificent, all the more so given his long lay-off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Wonder about what? To even think that Ernst & Young are at Tynecastle having anything to do with matters on the pitch is crazy, what a stupid suggestion! Anyone with half a brain cell can see that the changes came about due to key players being fit enough to return - end of! If there are auditors in to save the club from going belly up, one thing they are likely to insist upon are that the management positions are run without compromise - to maximise the performance of the club. 4 years ago you'd no doubt have raged at me "To even think that the main shareholder has anything to do with matters on the pitch is crazy, get a brain cell" Anyway, chill out. This is a positive thread about positive issues arising from the game yesterday. No need to take it down a negative path Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Kurtz Posted October 20, 2008 Author Share Posted October 20, 2008 Yes, he was there. On the OP, I'm not sure I saw anything like a 4-3-3 in operation, to be honest, but there's no doubt that Driver's pace and directness made a big difference to our side, both for his own contribution and for the relief it gives to Lee Wallace behind him. And for all I've been underwhelmed with Bruno in the past, I was eating my words yesterday. He was magnificent, all the more so given his long lay-off. Our back 4 pushed up yesterday ,when in the past this season they were about 10 yards furthur back. We had confidence our back 4 all had the pace to cope Driver was told to push up ,and Larry doesnt track back anyway. The last time we played 4 3 3 was Coulquhoun,Clark and Robbo days. Believe me we did not play Russian/Bulgarian 4 5 1 yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Anyone there early enough to see the warm up would know 10 minutes was geared towards driver and kingston whipping in crosses with Jonsson and wallace trying to overlap them.Gave a good insight in to how we were intending to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Anyone there early enough to see the warm up would know 10 minutes was geared towards driver and kingston whipping in crosses with Jonsson and wallace trying to overlap them.Gave a good insight in to how we were intending to play. That has been the warm up all season. I have yet to see more than a couple of 'goals' from it despite there being no defenders/goalkeeper in opposition! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Believe me we did not play Russian/Bulgarian 4 5 1 yesterday Can you explain to somebody with less than one brain cell what you put this down to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut The Crap Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Our back 4 pushed up yesterday ,when in the past this season they were about 10 yards furthur back.We had confidence our back 4 all had the pace to cope Driver was told to push up ,and Larry doesnt track back anyway. The last time we played 4 3 3 was Coulquhoun,Clark and Robbo days. Believe me we did not play Russian/Bulgarian 4 5 1 yesterday Good news. If Csaba lasts the week and gets to do it again against Aberdeen and Celtic, it might even be great news... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brellierlegend Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 That has been the warm up all season. I have yet to see more than a couple of 'goals' from it despite there being no defenders/goalkeeper in opposition! Agreed. The drill was like watching a poor under 15 boys club team! It worried me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Kurtz Posted October 20, 2008 Author Share Posted October 20, 2008 Can you explain to somebody with less than one brain cell what you put this down to? Shabba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut The Crap Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Anyone there early enough to see the warm up would know 10 minutes was geared towards driver and kingston whipping in crosses with Jonsson and wallace trying to overlap them.Gave a good insight in to how we were intending to play. Anybody staying to watch the game would know the warm-up rarely bears any resemblance to what happens during the 90 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Shabba OK, but why no committee? Did Csaba ignore them, has he insisted on being "set free", do they now trust him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7628mm Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Good news. If Csaba lasts the week and gets to do it again against Aberdeen and Celtic, it might even be great news... There in lies the rub. I really cannot see the mad tw@t putting up with shabba picking his own team. Sad I know but historically all to common an occurrence over the last 3 seasons. Expect to see some major changes against the sheep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Kurtz Posted October 20, 2008 Author Share Posted October 20, 2008 There in lies the rub. I really cannot see the mad tw@t putting up with shabba picking his own team. Sad I know but historically all to common an occurrence over the last 3 seasons. Expect to see some major changes against the sheep or the same team barring injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Kurtz Posted October 20, 2008 Author Share Posted October 20, 2008 OK, but why no committee? Did Csaba ignore them, has he insisted on being "set free", do they now trust him? Dont know the whys,just happy it happened. We will lose goals with yesterdays formantion but will also score a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 There in lies the rub. I really cannot see the mad tw@t putting up with shabba picking his own team. Sad I know but historically all to common an occurrence over the last 3 seasons. Expect to see some major changes against the sheep We haven't had major changes in team selection all season! Wallace, Berra, Karipidis, Kingston and Stewart have been ever presents for starters plus Mole has appeared in every game as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del1812 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Mmmmm... seems to me it's a case of when we play well supporters will say that the formation is 4-3-3 and picked by Csaba. When we play badly it's 4-5-1 and picked by Romanov. I saw it as 4-1-3-1. It was my first game of the season but that looked exactly as I imagined having heard we had played this all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Bapswent Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 There are two issues with this formation. 1. How do we accommodate other players? For example, Tullberg. This formation is good for a team lacking in attacking options, however, do we choose to sacrifice midfield dominance for attacking options? I guess it horses for courses, and where the gaffer earns his money. 2. We have not learnt that with a limited forward option, and a lazy one at that, we are often without any strikers in the box to aim for. Wingers getting to the by-line is fine if there are players in the box piling on the pressure to score. But with only Nade, and him being on the edge of the area....thats not the best. Latterly in the game we were better at cutting back the ball, but we need to be better at this, as we are more likely to score from a late run from midfield with this, than aiming for a lone striker, marked by 2-3 men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 I saw it as 4-1-3-1. It was my first game of the season but that looked exactly as I imagined having heard we had played this all season. No we defo had 11 men on the pitch.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Dont know the whys,just happy it happened.We will lose goals with yesterdays formantion but will also score a few. One other thing I noticed was that (probably because of higher backline) we were often first to collect loose balls from Hobo clearances out of defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 One other thing I noticed was that (probably because of higher backline) we were often first to collect loose balls from Hobo clearances out of defence. It has also helped that they have replaced a player who could pass the ball (Beuzelin) with an utter Jarkko Wiss type (Thicot). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The People's Chimp Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Well done to Shabba.We played 4 3 3 yesterday. Both Driver and kingston were told to stay up and to push onto the fullbacks. Shabba matched Hibs formation and also pushed our back four up. Scott Booth kept on about Hibs attacking formation but ours was much the same. Both sides played attacking formations which led to a very open match. This Hearts formation was very unrussian ,tells you a lot? It was absolutely the right formation and one we should employ against aberdeen. We did keep a very high back line, but one of our problems this season has been the defence sitting too deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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