shaun.lawson Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/heartofmidlothianfc/Investigation-begins-as-Hearts-players.4534404.jp "A spokesman for MTZ-RIPO, the club in Belarus in which Hearts owner Vladimir Romanov has an interest, refused to comment yesterday on whether its players had received wages this week." Pretty odd thing to refuse to comment on, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/heartofmidlothianfc/Investigation-begins-as-Hearts-players.4534404.jp "A spokesman for MTZ-RIPO, the club in Belarus in which Hearts owner Vladimir Romanov has an interest, refused to comment yesterday on whether its players had received wages this week." Pretty odd thing to refuse to comment on, isn't it? Not in Eastern Europe. They probably get paid in dollar notes or into Swiss bank accounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted September 28, 2008 Author Share Posted September 28, 2008 Bump. This is serious stuff, people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheriff Fatman Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Bump. This is serious stuff, people! Is it bollocks. Late payments happen regularly in far bigger and richer organisations than Hearts, UKIO or UBIG. It happened to me at least 6 times in three years working for Pepsico, but there weren't banner headlines about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Bump. This is serious stuff, people! No it's not! Why would anyone at Ripo want to talk to someone desperately trying to s**t stir? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 MTZ-Ripo players could be paid weekly, fortnightly, monthly, quarterly or every 60 days or whatever - unless we know the facts of when & how often they should be paid them refusing to comment on what is essentially a local matter unless it's a persistant problem whther Ripo players were paid this week or next week or whenever really isn't anybodies business uless they are overdue payments by several weeks or months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Is it bollocks. Late payments happen regularly in far bigger and richer organisations than Hearts, UKIO or UBIG. It happened to me at least 6 times in three years working for Pepsico, but there weren't banner headlines about that. Yes, it was just a technical glitch. And Burley was killing our club. Rix was a 'hero'. And we'd have stuffed Celtic if Miko had played before Skacel. Sorry, but I don't believe a word that comes out of that eastern european hellhole these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Yes, it was just a technical glitch. And Burley was killing our club. Rix was a 'hero'. And we'd have stuffed Celtic if Miko had played before Skacel. Sorry, but I don't believe a word that comes out of that eastern european hellhole these days. If it happens again, then it will be time to worry. The real solution, of course, is to get rid of this nonsense "command and control" situation where Lithuania parcels the money over to Tynecastle, rather than empowering Messrs Ogilvie and Fraser to pay the bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cigaro Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Why should Ripo comment on it? What business is it of some jakey stirrer to ask them that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 If it happens again, then it will be time to worry. The real solution, of course, is to get rid of this nonsense "command and control" situation where Lithuania parcels the money over to Tynecastle, rather than empowering Messrs Ogilvie and Fraser to pay the bills. That would require Hearts to be run at break-even or profitable AND have positive cash-flow ...... UKIO-Bankas send over the short-fall to subsidise our over-spending, loss-making & negative cash-flow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/heartofmidlothianfc/Investigation-begins-as-Hearts-players.4534404.jp "A spokesman for MTZ-RIPO, the club in Belarus in which Hearts owner Vladimir Romanov has an interest, refused to comment yesterday on whether its players had received wages this week." Pretty odd thing to refuse to comment on, isn't it? Er no. Ripo have probably been told not to make comments to Scottish journos. Why? Well I'm sure you can fathom that one Shaun... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Dover Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 An unnamed spokesman refused to comment ? Eat your heart out Daily Record staff...........beat that for sheer vagueness ( is that even a word ?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadKiller Dog Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 What it does show is that the scottish media are raking over every little thing connected with our club and the clubs owners,I woundt suprised if a ****** reporter was found raking about in Romanovs bins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 That would require Hearts to be run at break-even or profitable AND have positive cash-flow ...... UKIO-Bankas send over the short-fall to subsidise our over-spending, loss-making & negative cash-flow. That's a complete red herring! If HMFC budget correctly then the funding can be in place at the correct time to make up the shortfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin67 Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Is it bollocks. Late payments happen regularly in far bigger and richer organisations than Hearts, UKIO or UBIG. It happened to me at least 6 times in three years working for Pepsico, but there weren't banner headlines about that. I think (hope) the story is probably nonsense, but if it was true then I think this dont worry 'late payment happen regularly' attitude is pure denial. A single techinical hitch with our players' wages - fine no problem. Other Vlad employees going unpaid - very concerning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 I think (hope) the story is probably nonsense, but if it was true then I think this dont worry 'late payment happen regularly' attitude is pure denial. A single techinical hitch with our players' wages - fine no problem. Other Vlad employees going unpaid - very concerning. But there is absolutely no evidence of it. All there is is a "p*ss off" or words to that effect to a Scottish hack from someone in Belarus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eggo Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Bump. This is serious stuff, people! Maybe to a doom merchant like yourself...but I couldnt give a flying **** to be honest:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jambomickey Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Maybe to a doom merchant like yourself...but I couldnt give a flying **** to be honest:cool: you need to get in the real world! how many games have you been to this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eggo Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 you need to get in the real world! how many games have you been to this season? What has that got to do with the original question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jambomickey Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 What has that got to do with the original question? because you try to put a positive spin on everything! how many hearts games have you been to this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 because you try to put a positive spin on everything! how many hearts games have you been to this season? I've not been to any but I fail to see the relevance it has to the point in question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eggo Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 because you try to put a positive spin on everything! how many hearts games have you been to this season? Thats because im not a negative bore like so many on here:) As for watching Hearts this season its been impossible for me to go,due to working in far off parts. But in the past seasons ive seen them probably more than most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eggo Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 I've not been to any but I fail to see the relevance it has to the point in question. My point to Geoff,but just let him rabble away;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jambomickey Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 My point to Geoff,but just let him rabble away;) your the one who rabbles and by the way i'm not saying your not a good hearts man because you are! i used to see you at games myself years ago and you were next to me that dreadful day at dens park Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eggo Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 your the one who rabbles and by the way i'm not saying your not a good hearts man because you are! i used to see you at games myself years ago and you were next to me that dreadful day at dens park Then why the 3rd degree? My posts usually consist of one or two lines...hardly rambling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jambomickey Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Then why the 3rd degree?My posts usually consist of one or two lines...hardly rambling. yeah one or two lines having a dig because my opinions differ from yours! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eggo Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 yeah one or two lines having a dig because my opinions differ from yours! Correct;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jambomickey Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Correct;) look at the season ticket numbers and the empty spaces at tynie then you see how many fans have lost faith with the rat in lithuania Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eggo Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 look at the season ticket numbers and the empty spaces at tynie then you see how many fans have lost faith with the rat in lithuania I was going when the gates dipped to 3 or 4 thousand,now that WAS a crisis ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin67 Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 But there is absolutely no evidence of it. All there is is a "p*ss off" or words to that effect to a Scottish hack from someone in Belarus! I agree - I said that the story was probably nonsense. I just hope it doesn't turn out to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share Posted September 29, 2008 Maybe to a doom merchant like yourself...but I couldnt give a flying **** to be honest:cool: I'm not a doom merchant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share Posted September 29, 2008 Er no. Ripo have probably been told not to make comments to Scottish journos. Why? Well I'm sure you can fathom that one Shaun... Possibly - but a simple "no, the stories are wholly untrue" would've killed it stone dead. I linked to the article, incidentally, because of rumours (unsubstantiated, I might add: or at least, only from a single source) I'd already heard that Ripo's players haven't been paid in several weeks. It may be false; it may be true: we can only wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Possibly - but a simple "no, the stories are wholly untrue" would've killed it stone dead. I linked to the article, incidentally, because of rumours (unsubstantiated, I might add: or at least, only from a single source) I'd already heard that Ripo's players haven't been paid in several weeks. It may be false; it may be true: we can only wait and see. Why not say that at the start of the thread then Shaun? Also, how credible is your source? I would also point out that the failure to pay 10 zibzabs or whatever the currency of Belarus is doesn't interest me in the slightest. If, however, HMFC players and staff failed to be paid AGAIN (and there is no way this could be covered up) then it would be time to panic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share Posted September 29, 2008 Why not say that at the start of the thread then Shaun? Also, how credible is your source? I would also point out that the failure to pay 10 zibzabs or whatever the currency of Belarus is doesn't interest me in the slightest. If, however, HMFC players and staff failed to be paid AGAIN (and there is no way this could be covered up) then it would be time to panic. I'd say my source is pretty credible - but I'm not at liberty to name them. I didn't mention it in the OP because a) I wanted to see if anyone else might've heard anything; and it would've just descended into the usual "source?" "I'm not at liberty to name them." "You're just slavering pish!" malarkey. What I need is another source to verify what I've heard, basically. On your second para, by the way, I entirely agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 I'd say my source is pretty credible - but I'm not at liberty to name them. I didn't mention it in the OP because a) I wanted to see if anyone else might've heard anything; and it would've just descended into the usual "source?" "I'm not at liberty to name them." "You're just slavering pish!" malarkey. What I need is another source to verify what I've heard, basically. On your second para, by the way, I entirely agree. Shaun -- I'm worried that you spend too much time pandering to your friends on porkies.net -- never standing up for yourself and always bending over -- not the position of a true Hearts fan. Then you want to link unsubstantiated rumours which would have been checked in last 2 weeks by better placed sources than yourself and tell us that you can't name sources -- are they based in Belarus/Lithuania ? -- or are they based in the local pub bores seat where most of the rubbish comes from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 I'd say my source is pretty credible - but I'm not at liberty to name them. I didn't mention it in the OP because a) I wanted to see if anyone else might've heard anything; and it would've just descended into the usual "source?" "I'm not at liberty to name them." "You're just slavering pish!" malarkey. What I need is another source to verify what I've heard, basically. On your second para, by the way, I entirely agree. You think Sergey is pretty credible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share Posted September 29, 2008 You think Sergey is pretty credible! He's not the source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share Posted September 29, 2008 Shaun -- I'm worried that you spend too much time pandering to your friends on porkies.net -- never standing up for yourself and always bending over -- not the position of a true Hearts fan.Then you want to link unsubstantiated rumours which would have been checked in last 2 weeks by better placed sources than yourself and tell us that you can't name sources -- are they based in Belarus/Lithuania ? -- or are they based in the local pub bores seat where most of the rubbish comes from. They're based in Lithuania. As for hibs.net - as I've said before, I like and will always enjoy discussing anything football-related with rival fans. I lament how tribal and nasty so much of football has become since segregation was brought in: nastiness and even pseudo-hatred just ain't my thing. Of course, I have to be polite and careful over there: the same applies to any Hibs fan on here. Because there's zero point in threads descending into pointless tit-for-tat nonsense: I go on football discussion forums to debate, and you can't do that if you don't treat others with the utmost respect. But while you accuse me of never standing up for myself, over there, I'm now known as Charlie Mann: must be doing something right, wouldn't you say...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 They're based in Lithuania. As for hibs.net - as I've said before, I like and will always enjoy discussing anything football-related with rival fans. I lament how tribal and nasty so much of football has become since segregation was brought in: nastiness and even pseudo-hatred just ain't my thing. Of course, I have to be polite and careful over there: the same applies to any Hibs fan on here. Because there's zero point in threads descending into pointless tit-for-tat nonsense: I go on football discussion forums to debate, and you can't do that if you don't treat others with the utmost respect. But while you accuse me of never standing up for myself, over there, I'm now known as Charlie Mann: must be doing something right, wouldn't you say...? I was going to shout "None" then but he's been taken already! In all seriousness, I don't know, nor do I care what happens at MTZ. As long as it doesn't happen again at Tynecastle, nothing else matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naeclue Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 They're based in Lithuania. As for hibs.net - as I've said before, I like and will always enjoy discussing anything football-related with rival fans. I lament how tribal and nasty so much of football has become since segregation was brought in: nastiness and even pseudo-hatred just ain't my thing. Of course, I have to be polite and careful over there: the same applies to any Hibs fan on here. Because there's zero point in threads descending into pointless tit-for-tat nonsense: I go on football discussion forums to debate, and you can't do that if you don't treat others with the utmost respect. But while you accuse me of never standing up for myself, over there, I'm now known as Charlie Mann: must be doing something right, wouldn't you say...? Gave up on Hibs.net personally. It is getting tougher and tougher to talk footie without outbreaks of "yam fuddery" breaking out. Disappointed as kinda figured messageboards were a route away from that. Did like your rose amongst er thorns post though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAYEL Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Bump. This is serious stuff, people! When is the protest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naeclue Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 When is the protest. I think the falling attendances are more lucid than any protest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 look at the season ticket numbers and the empty spaces at tynie then you see how many fans have lost faith with the rat in lithuania I.e. the glory hunters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We_are_the_Hearts Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 I.e. the glory hunters. How can anyone call a Hearts fan a glory hunter? Every team has PT supporters though. People who would go if the entertainment matched the price but who have other things they can be doing with their Saturday. It's up to Vlad to attract these people. If anything he is turning even more people away with the shambles of the way the club is run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allystrachan Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 why anyone would comment to a random newspaper from a different country about your staffs pay is beyond me! im sure ripo/ kaunas & hearts' staff for that matter have all been told not to comment to newspapers about it. i have been told in my work not to talk to journalists before so its not really that big a deal. disclaimer: the comments in this post dont mean im not concerned about the current state of affairs so no one go in a huff please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jambomickey Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 I.e. the glory hunters. there not glory hunters they just seen through the mad paranoid control freak in lithuania and by the way all us who do go are showing blind loyalty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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