davieholt Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 At a goal kick our forward(s) always seem to stand in a line (or marginally beyond) with the opposition defenders just over the half way line. But most goalies can kick the ball much further than that so why don't they push up to the 18 yard line ? Since they can't be offside from a goal kick why do they hang back ? Serious question. I have never understood the logic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieholt Posted September 23, 2008 Author Share Posted September 23, 2008 C'mon lads (and lassies) Where are all the tacticians, players and managers of amateur sides ? Someone must have an answer ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdickson Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 You CAN be offside from a goal kick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djg001 Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 you CAN'T be offside from a throw in though - so when Robbie is back, we can get him to launch the ball into the box from the halfway line... surely it's a tactic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 You CAN be offside from a goal kick. not according to the refs section of the sfa site http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_football.cfm?curpageid=673 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 This is a common misunderstanding of the rules. You cannot be offside for either a throw-in or from a goal kick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Romanov Saviour of HMFC Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 They wouldn't be offside but if the defence push up and the ball gets knocked back to striker, then they would be offside. It's all about 'phases' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Harris Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 You CAN be offside from a goal kick. There is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from: a goal kick a throw-in a corner kick source: http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/federation/81/42/36/lotg_en_55753.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 They wouldn't be offside but if the defence push up and the ball gets knocked back to striker, then they would be offside. It's all about 'phases' Only if the forward went for the ball. Pushing the forward right up could eventually force the defence to sit deeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 You can't be offside from a goal kick, but does that apply to a drop kick from the goalie? Or a long throw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 You can't be offside from a goal kick, but does that apply to a drop kick from the goalie? Or a long throw? No. It refers to the set piece, sometimes known as a "bye-kick". (I think!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Romanov Saviour of HMFC Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 Only if the forward went for the ball. Pushing the forward right up could eventually force the defence to sit deeper. So what's the point in the forward pushing up to the 18 yard box? If the defence hold a line then he is guarenteed to be offside. The only way it would be of use is if the keeper scuffed the goal kick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Harris Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 You can't be offside from a goal kick, but does that apply to a drop kick from the goalie? Or a long throw? as boris says, a "goal kick" refers to the set piece for restarting play when the ball has gone over the bye line but not between the sticks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 So what's the point in the forward pushing up to the 18 yard box? If the defence hold a line then he is guarenteed to be offside. The only way it would be of use is if the keeper scuffed the goal kick. How is he? If the defence clear the ball, and it is then hoofed forward back over the defence, then as long as the attacker doesn't go for the ball he is not offside (as I understand the ruling). Ruud Van Nistlerooy does something similar iirc. If the forward is on the 18 yard line and the keepers bye kick clears the defence holding the line then the attacker is in like Flynn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FORTHCLYDE Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 You can't be offside when the ball is dropped by the Referee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statto Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 If a striker stands in the midfield when a goal kick is taken, he can recieve the ball and run forward into space or pass to the midfield and continue play. If however the striker is on the edge of the oppenents box, he pretty much has to turn and shoot immediately, there would be no space for him to run into and he would be getting tightly marked by at least 2 defenders and unless he had a midfielder close to him, that would be his only option. If there was a midfielder or two upfield with him, it leaves spaces for the opponents to counter attack. Also the keeper's kick would have to be very accurate, at that type of distance it is unlikely to be, therefore in the long term, you'd lose possesion more than you kept it. The only time this would be a good idea is if you were a goal behind in the 93rd minute, looking for a stoppage time equaliser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 If a striker stands in the midfield when a goal kick is taken, he can recieve the ball and run forward into space or pass to the midfield and continue play. If however the striker is on the edge of the oppenents box, he pretty much has to turn and shoot immediately, there would be no space for him to run into and he would be getting tightly marked by at least 2 defenders and unless he had a midfielder close to him, that would be his only option. If there was a midfielder or two upfield with him, it leaves spaces for the opponents to counter attack. Also the keeper's kick would have to be very accurate, at that type of distance it is unlikely to be, therefore in the long term, you'd lose possesion more than you kept it. The only time this would be a good idea is if you were a goal behind in the 93rd minute, looking for a stoppage time equaliser. This would then stretch the play though, instead of defenders and attackers clustering in the centre circle, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statto Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 This would then stretch the play though, instead of defenders and attackers clustering in the centre circle, no? Streching the play up and down the way would only be an advantage if your midfielders got the ball in the middle and could run with it. If they lost it they'd be left very open. If you want to create space on a pitch, put your 2 wingers on the 2 touchlines, this then spreads out the opposition defenders, the only disadvantage is obviously if you lose the ball, but you have all of your players in your half to defend instead of 8/9/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 Streching the play up and down the way would only be an advantage if your midfielders got the ball in the middle and could run with it. If they lost it they'd be left very open. If you want to create space on a pitch, put your 2 wingers on the 2 touchlines, this then spreads out the opposition defenders, the only disadvantage is obviously if you lose the ball, but you have all of your players in your half to defend instead of 8/9/10. Ach, I'm more of a "Tora, Tora, Tora" person.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N User Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 Because it's extremely unlikely that one of our strikers would control the ball and bring it down. They would need to header it and by doing so the other players would be offside. Also, offside or not the defenders would probably cut it out as high balls take a long time to come down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieholt Posted September 23, 2008 Author Share Posted September 23, 2008 Hmmm . . . lots of opinions - thanks. I just can't see why our strikers seem to be frightened to go long at bye kicks. Just cos the oppo defenders string themselves in a line around half way. Provided the Hearts receiver headed the ball back to Audrey or whover was in the hole, once again, it wouldn't be offside even if the oppo defenders were still up the park. The current tactic just seem to make it easy for the oppo to head it back into our half and put us under pressure. If they had to retreat to the 18 yard line they couldn't do that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 Can the modern-day goalie kick it that much further than the half-way line? I'd expect the defenders to be no more than 20m back from that and that would allow them to comfortably (or not so comfortably if we had a Sandy Clark-esque no.9) mop up anything the keeper booted in their direction. But if, as you contend, the keepers can welly it 70-80m then your argument makes perfect sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlo2 Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 You can't be offside from a goal kick, but does that apply to a drop kick from the goalie? Or a long throw? You can never be offside from a throw-in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 But you can be offside from a kick from hand/drop kick or a hellishly long throw from the keeper when the ball is in play. A throw-in is a set piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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