Conspiracy theories

[david mcgee]

Its time for one.

The Republicans look like they will lose the election.

Obama could and Should win. ( i would be delighted if he does )

But........ has anyone told you he is black.

 

Remember Madrid or the Belgrano.

 

Watch out for a terrorist attack or Iran to get bombarded.

 

The most likeliest window for something unexpected to happen is between the 14th and 28th of October.

 

Please God let this election be free of any possible conspiracy theories.

[rossi_1983]

While I really want Obama to win, I don't think America is ready for it, and think there are guaranteed to be some attempts on his life, whether it is actual conspiracy theory stuff, or just some crazed yank from the south.

 

Obama getting power has the potential to progress the U.S. so far, but also has the potential to regress it if the worst actually happens, and the fear of that happening almost has me wanting McCain to win just to prevent that possible outcome

[Cardiac Rucksack]

While I really want Obama to win, I don't think America is ready for it, and think there are guaranteed to be some attempts on his life, whether it is actual conspiracy theory stuff, or just some crazed yank from the south.

 

Obama getting power has the potential to progress the U.S. so far, but also has the potential to regress it if the worst actually happens, and the fear of that happening almost has me wanting McCain to win just to prevent that possible outcome

 

He certainly could drag certain parts of the US closer to the 20th century if he is allowed to his job.

[upthehill]

That's all well and good, but it looks to me that the Republicans will win the election, not Obama.

[Don Juan]

I am just waiting on some radge to shoot him over the next couple of months, and cue the conspiracy theories.

[Patrick Bateman]

That's all well and good, but it looks to me that the Republicans will win the election, not Obama.

 

When virtually every major poll places the democrats 6-8% points ahead?

 

Palin as VP would be laughable if it wasn't so frightening. The odds of McCain dying in power are quite high, so the prospect of a redneck bible-basher with even less restraint or worldly knowledge than the incumbent is scary.

 

This video is hilarious.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/04/jon-stewart-hits-karl-rov_n_123852.html

[Boris]

Please God let this election be free of any possible conspiracy theories.

 

Isn't that a bit of an oxymoron?

[Doctor FinnBarr]

Who really cares about elections in foreign countries?

 

[Patrick Bateman]

Who really cares about elections in foreign countries?

 

 

Because they are our major ally and their decisions shape human history. Or you can dismiss the importance of this and get back to watching Big Brother.

[husref musemic]

Who really cares about elections in foreign countries?

 

 

Ditto, what's with this interst in the US ?

[Ivanauskas33]

When virtually every major poll places the democrats 6-8% points ahead?

 

Palin as VP would be laughable if it wasn't so frightening. The odds of McCain dying in power are quite high, so the prospect of a redneck bible-basher with even less restraint or worldly knowledge than the incumbent is scary.

 

This video is hilarious.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/04/jon-stewart-hits-karl-rov_n_123852.html

 

Watched that on More 4 the other night. It must have been one of the best episodes of The Daily Show I've ever seen. Especially the bit during the interview with Newt Gingrich, where Jon pointed out that Sarah Palin claimed it was her own family's choice on whether or not to let her daughter keep her child, and the public should respect that choice. She also claims that abortions should be illegal even in the case of rape, thus denying other peoples right to even have a choice. Hypocrite

[Doctor FinnBarr]

Because they are our major ally and their decisions shape human history. Or you can dismiss the importance of this and get back to watching Big Brother.

 

Think you'll find thats someone else!

I'm off to News 24 to see the importance of the septic tanks making decisions to shape human history, or is it making decisions to rearrange the landscape of other countries?

 

[Walter Payton]

Watched that on More 4 the other night. It must have been one of the best episodes of The Daily Show I've ever seen. Especially the bit during the interview with Newt Gingrich, where Jon pointed out that Sarah Palin claimed it was her own family's choice on whether or not to let her daughter keep her child, and the public should respect that choice. She also claims that abortions should be illegal even in the case of rape, thus denying other peoples right to even have a choice. Hypocrite

 

Not having a go, genuinely don't understand your point. Palin says her daugher is keeping the baby, and that she thinks abortion is wrong. How's that hypocritical? Not saying I agree 100% with her but I can't see the hypocricy.

[Ivanauskas33]

Not having a go, genuinely don't understand your point. Palin says her daugher is keeping the baby, and that she thinks abortion is wrong. How's that hypocritical? Not saying I agree 100% with her but I can't see the hypocricy.

 

Mainly because she say's that her family has the right to make there own decision. Whereas her chosen policy wouldn't let other familys make their own decision if the same thing happened to them.

[maroonlegions]

Obama and McCain: Pawns of the Global Elite? Print E-mail

 

By Patrick Wood, Editor

 

Will it matter if Obama or McCain are elected in November? Hardly.

 

Both are rigidly backed by important members of the Trilateral Commission who hijacked the Executive Branch of the U.S. government starting in 1976 with the election of Jimmy Carter.

 

In Obama?s case, Zbigniew Brzezinski (co-founder of the Commission in 1973) is emerging as his principal advisor on foreign policy. Ex-Fed Chairman Paul Volker has made a once-in-a-lifetime, glowing endorsement of Obama. Madelyn Albright is seen sitting next to Obama in several conferences. Shoot, even Jimmy Carter himself endorses Obama. All are top members of the Commission.

 

John McCain is being supported by several Trilateral Commission giants including: Henry Kissinger, George Schultz, Lawrence Eagleburger and Alexander Haig. All of these are ex-Secretaries of State who issued a joint endorsement of McCain early-on in his campaign.

 

And, unless Obama shoots both of his own feet (or??) before the general presidential election in November, he is most likely to be the next president of the United States.

 

You would think that Americans would want to know who the ?special interests? are that are embodied by this Trilateral Commission, and what they intend to do or not do with America.

 

What is the Trilateral Commission?

 

The Trilateral Commission was founded by the persistent maneuvering of David Rockefeller:eek: and Zbigniew Brzezinski in 1973. Rockefeller was chairman of the ultra-powerful Chase Manhattan Bank, a director of many major multinational corporations and "endowment funds" and had long been a central figure in the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). Brzezinski, a brilliant prognosticator of one-world idealism, was a professor at Columbia University and the author of several books that have served as "policy guidelines" for the Trilateral Commission.

 

Brzezinski served as the Commission's first executive director from its inception in 1973 until late 1976 when he was appointed by President Jimmy Carter as Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs.

 

The initial Commission membership was approximately three hundred, with roughly one hundred each from Europe, Japan and North America. Membership was also roughly divided between academics, politicians and corporate magnates; these included international bankers, leaders of prominent labor unions and corporate directors of media giants.

 

The word commission was puzzling since it is usually associated with instrumentalities set up by governments. It seemed out of place with a so-called private group unless we could determine that it really was an arm of a government - an unseen government, different from the visible government in Washington. European and Japanese involvement indicated a world government rather than a national government. We hoped that the concept of a sub-rosa world government was just wishful thinking on the part of the Trilateral Commissioners. The facts, however, lined up quite pessimistically.

 

If the Council on Foreign Relations could be said to be a spawning ground for the concepts of one-world idealism, then the Trilateral Commission was the "task force" assembled to assault the beachheads. Already the Commission had placed its members in the top posts the U.S. had to offer.

 

Jimmy Carter: The first Trilateral president

 

President James Earl Carter, the country politician who promised, "I will never lie to you," was chosen to join the Commission by Brzezinski in 1973. It was Brzezinski, in fact, who first identified Carter as presidential timber, and subsequently educated him in economics, foreign policy, and the ins-and-outs of world politics. Upon Carter's election, Brzezinski was appointed assistant to the president for national security matters. Commonly, he was called the head of the National Security Council because he answered only to the president - some said Brzezinski held the second most powerful position in the U.S.

 

Carter's running mate, Walter Mondale, was also a member of the Commission. (If you are trying to calculate the odds of three virtually unknown men, out of over sixty Commissioners from the U.S., capturing the three most powerful positions in the land, don't bother. Your calculations will be meaningless.)

 

On January 7, 1977 Time Magazine, whose editor-in-chief, Hedley Donovan was a powerful Trilateral, named President Carter "Man of the Year." The sixteen-page article in that issue not only failed to mention Carter's connection with the Commission but also stated the following:

 

?As he searched for Cabinet appointees, Carter seemed at times hesitant and frustrated disconcertingly out of character. His lack of ties to Washington and the Party Establishment - qualities that helped raise him to the White House - carry potential dangers. He does not know the Federal Government or the pressures it creates. He does not really know the politicians whom he will need to help him run the country.?

 

Was this portrait of Carter as a political innocent simply inaccurate or was it deliberately misleading? By December 25, 1976 - two weeks before the Time article appeared - Carter had already chosen his cabinet. Three of his cabinet members ? Cyrus Vance, Michael Blumenthal, and Harold Brown - were Trilateral Commissioners; and the other non-Commission members were not unsympathetic to Commission objectives and operations. In addition, Carter had appointed another fourteen Trilateral Commissioners to top government posts, including:

 

* C. Fred Bergsten (Under Secretary of Treasury)

* James Schlesinger (Secretary of Energy)

* Elliot Richardson (Delegate to Law of the Sea)

* Leonard Woodcock (Chief envoy to China)

* Andrew Young (Ambassador to the United Nations).

 

As of 25 December 1976, therefore, there were nineteen Trilaterals, including Carter and Mondale, holding tremendous political power. These presidential appointees represented almost one-third of the Trilateral Commission members from the United States. The odds of that happening ?by chance? are beyond calculation!

 

Realities of the New World Order

 

Barry GoldwaterIn 1972, Brzezinski's wrote that "nation-state as a fundamental unit of man's organized life has ceased to be the principal creative force: International banks and multinational corporations are acting and planning in terms that are far in advance of the political concepts of the nation-state.":eek:

The late Senator Barry Goldwater (R-AZ) was one of a very few people who understood what Brzezinski was alluding to, when he issued a clear and precise warning in his 1979 book, With No Apologies:

 

?The Trilateral Commission is international and is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power ? political, monetary, intellectual and ecclesiastical.?

 

Trilateral Entrenchment: 1980-2008

 

Every Administration since Carter has had top-level Trilateral Commission representation through the President or Vice-President, or both! George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, Al Gore and Dick Cheney are all members.

 

In turn, these have appointed their Trilateral cronies to top positions in their Administrations.

 

For instance, six out of seven World Bank presidents have been members of the Commission. Eight out of ten USTR?s (U.S. Trade Representative) have been members.

 

Secretaries of State include Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, Alexander Haig, George Schultz, Lawrence Eagleburger, Warren Christopher and Madeleine Albright. Yep, all members of the Trilateral Commission.

 

Follow the money, follow the power:cool:

 

John McCainYou decide which is scarier: Obama and Brzezinski or McCain and Henry Kissinger?

 

Either way, Americans will continue to lose?

 

Every major crisis we face today is directly attributable to policies put forth and executed by members of this Trilateral Commission: Banking/lending/mortgage crisis, energy/gas price crisis, food/shortage/price crisis.

 

In addition, in the last fifteen to twenty years we have lost of millions of prime manufacturing jobs to China, India and Mexico. Our prime assets are being purchased by sovereign wealth funds and foreign investors. Our currency has all but been destroyed throughout the world.

 

Remember Brzezinski's vision that "international banks and multinational corporations are acting and planning in terms that are far in advance of the political concepts of the nation-state"?

 

Well, that?s been true enough. But, for all their acting and planning at the expense of our own prosperity and Sovereignty, who wants or needs more of the same under Obama or McCain? With friends like this, who needs enemies?

 

For several Presidential elections now, this writer has voted according to the philosophy of voting for the ?lesser of two evils.? Never again!

 

A vote for either Obama or McCain is a vote for the complete destruction of America!

 

 

 

AND WHO SAYS A FEW CANT RULE THE WORLD, ITS A PIECE:rolleyes: OF CAKE IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

[Walter Payton]

Mainly because she say's that her family has the right to make there own decision. Whereas her chosen policy wouldn't let other familys make their own decision if the same thing happened to them.

 

Fair enough, I'm at work so haven't had the chance to see the interview myself yet. The "Choice" debate is normally over whether people should be allowed to have an abortion though, can't say I've ever heard anybody put forward the case that women MUST have an abortion and shouldn't be allowed that decision themselves.

[Ivanauskas33]

Fair enough, I'm at work so haven't had the chance to see the interview myself yet. The "Choice" debate is normally over whether people should be allowed to have an abortion though, can't say I've ever heard anybody put forward the case that women MUST have an abortion and shouldn't be allowed that decision themselves.

 

Sorry, I'm not that great at explaining the point. The hypocrisy lies in the policy decision, not in the decision to keep the baby. "In essence Palin is saying respect my family's ability to make this decision, and elect me so that I can keep your family from having the same oppurtunity." In fairness its definitely not as obviously hypocritical as if she forced her daughter to have the abortion.