Boris Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 Oh dear... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7542549.stm Still, sounds like he was really apeing the behaviour of his leader, David "Dave" Cameron, and his Eton Gluttons "gang". Only trouble is the Gluttons had the cash to pay off those they abused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 How is that undemocratic? It is weird, and unlawful and stupid and nasty. But how is it undemocratic? What are Eton Gluttons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted August 5, 2008 Author Share Posted August 5, 2008 How is that undemocratic? It is weird, and unlawful and stupid and nasty. But how is it undemocratic? What are Eton Gluttons? Ok, opening paragraph of the article A former Conservative general election candidate has pleaded guilty to a campaign of harassment against his Liberal Democrat rivals. To me that is undemocratic as he is using criminal means to try to swing an election in his favour. The Eton Gluttons (I may have made the name up) - I was referring to the Bullingdon Club. A club at Oxford Uni (Cameron got in quickly due to his Etonian connections) whose members went to restaurants, got slaughtered and trashed the places knowing they had the cash to make everything alright. Typically toff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 Ok, opening paragraph of the article To me that is undemocratic as he is using criminal means to try to swing an election in his favour. The Eton Gluttons (I may have made the name up) - I was referring to the Bullingdon Club. A club at Oxford Uni (Cameron got in quickly due to his Etonian connections) whose members went to restaurants, got slaughtered and trashed the places knowing they had the cash to make everything alright. Typically toff... It looks like he committed a criminal offence and has been caught and punished. Seems like a right idiot and it is good that he has been punished. But I don't see that as undemocratic. [undemocratic in my book might be not providing the public with a referendum on constitutional change as promised in a manifesto ...] As for the Bullingdon - there are plenty of young people who have done drunken things in the past - plenty rugby clubs, football supporters, neds, Conservatives or whatever else - that they might regret now or at least look back on as foolish. Not sure what that has to do with a guy who slashed tyres on someone's car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted August 5, 2008 Author Share Posted August 5, 2008 It looks like he committed a criminal offence and has been caught and punished. Seems like a right idiot and it is good that he has been punished. But I don't see that as undemocratic. [undemocratic in my book might be not providing the public with a referendum on constitutional change as promised in a manifesto ...] If the criminal act is related to the democratic process then for me makes it undemocratic. As for the Bullingdon - there are plenty of young people who have done drunken things in the past - plenty rugby clubs, football supporters, neds, Conservatives or whatever else - that they might regret now or at least look back on as foolish. Not sure what that has to do with a guy who slashed tyres on someone's car. Seems to me that anti-social, violent behaviour is a Tory characteristic, or at least when you scratch the surface this mindset soon becomes apparent. Yah, boo, sucks....and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 Seems to me that anti-social, violent behaviour is a Tory characteristic, or at least when you scratch the surface this mindset soon becomes apparent. Yah, boo, sucks....and all that. I don't think so. No more than anyone else anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted August 5, 2008 Author Share Posted August 5, 2008 I don't think so. No more than anyone else anyway. M'kay then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 M'kay then.... Can't see your picture but I will assume it is of former Conservative MP Allan Stewart going after someone with an axe handle (!). Perhaps for balance you could show the picture of John Prescott punching an elector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted August 5, 2008 Author Share Posted August 5, 2008 Can't see your picture but I will assume it is of former Conservative MP Allan Stewart going after someone with an axe handle (!). Perhaps for balance you could show the picture of John Prescott punching an elector. It's an iconic pic from Orgreave... Yet another Tory undemocratic move - use HM Forces to disperse workers exercising their democratic right to strike. Police state? No. Military dictatorship? Quite possibly! To be fair to Prescott, it was self-defence... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upthehill Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 More yobbish behaviour here from the Conservatives... tut tut.... Conservative Party Rwanda social action project boosts volunteer travel Added: (Fri Aug 10 2007) Fresh from volunteering on social action projects in Rwanda with David Cameron and the Conservative Party, trip organisers Different Travel highlight the benefits of short-term volunteering and voluntourism. In his speech to the Rwandan government, David Cameron said that some people had told him to stay and deal with the problems at home. But he said that at a time of climate change, global trade and migration, the rich cannot escape the consequences of global poverty and instability, calling for concerted and practical action. Last year, The Different Travel Company were asked by David Cameron and Andrew Mitchell (Shadow Secretary of State for International Development) to assist them in finding a series of community development projects in Rwanda, and together with the Conservatives, The Different Travel Company have helped find and develop over 20, ranging from assisting ministers modelling good practice, working with mayors on budget management and financial systems, developing the sports infrastructure, developing and implementing medical programmes, teaching football and cricket to young people and refurbishing a school and accommodation centre for survivors of the 1994 genocide". The initiative - known as Project Umubano (which means friendship and co-operation in the local language) won the support of the Rwandan President, Paul Kagame, who met with the Party volunteers. But Shadow International Development Spokesman Andrew Mitchell said it was a 'two way process' also intended to benefit Rwanda and educate the Conservatives themselves. "The aim of the venture is to give Conservative Party members a worthwhile first-hand experience of development issues and a chance to learn about the challenges that developing countries like Rwanda face. It is an opportunity to help in a country which is one of the poorest in the world but which is now starting to make impressive progress" Speaking from the Rwandan capital Kigali, Mr. Mitchell declared: "We are making a modest contribution - and it is modest - in very important areas for Rwanda. The legacy of the projects will be very helpful." Adrian Yalland, Different Travel founder, added, ?Everything we do is about meeting the objectives of meeting the needs of the local community, through using locally owned hotels, working with local teams and helping them to achieve self-sufficiency, as well as educating the volunteer and ensuring they have a unique and meaningful trip?. ?Well organised, responsible voluntourism is a really good thing for locals and visitors alike. It offers insights, experiences and understanding of local issues that normal tourism cannot. It builds bridges and friendships. The grass roots action serves to improve daily life. And ? given the investment into overseas projects and local economies, it brings real longer term, sustainable, benefit to local communities and disadvantaged people. And you don?t have to be the Conservative party to take part ? voluntourism is open, and of great benefit, to anyone who wants to do something different and make a difference with their holiday?. To find out more about using holiday time to undertake volunteer travel and voluntourism through Different Travel, as well as fund-raising charity challenges combined with volunteering, visit http://www.different-travel.com, email [email protected] or call +44 (0) 2380 669903. Ends For further press information, please contact Vicky Smith on +44 (0)2380 669903 / [email protected] EDITOR?S NOTES 1. Different-Travel is a small group volunteer travel company offering holidays which combine sight-seeing, relaxation and great accommodation with opportunities to work alongside local people on development projects, for anyone who wants to use their holiday to have a great time and do something positive. 2. Different Travel also run charity fund raising challenge trips and events under the brand ?Different-Challenge?. These are Open Challenges open to individuals or bespoke trips arranged for groups, combining physical challenges with community-based volunteer work projects abroad, raising funds for chosen charities, helping communities in the UK and abroad. 2. Different Travel is ATOL bonded, carbon-neutral and responsible travel tour operator. Different Travel supports having a voluntourism code of practice and the objectives of Tourism Concern. Submitted by: Vicky Smith Find out more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted August 5, 2008 Author Share Posted August 5, 2008 Ah, God bless the colonial masters... ;-) Good old-fashioned paternalism from the C&U Party. Hoorah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 Ok, opening paragraph of the article To me that is undemocratic as he is using criminal means to try to swing an election in his favour. The Eton Gluttons (I may have made the name up) - I was referring to the Bullingdon Club. A club at Oxford Uni (Cameron got in quickly due to his Etonian connections) whose members went to restaurants, got slaughtered and trashed the places knowing they had the cash to make everything alright. Typically toff... The behaviour could be construed as "undemocratic" but surely the headline adjective should be "F|_|cking Mental"?!? He's asking for 68 other offences to be taken into account. So they've nabbed hin on 5 counts of acting like a mental case and he's said, "before you sentence me and to save you any future hassle in investigating, there's 14 times that amount of things that you could nab me on." That's bound to be easy money for the psychiatrist delivering the report. I know that he was standing as a Conservative but surely the extremity of his actions makes it a bit disingenuous to tar the entire party with the same brush. It would be like painting the entire LibDem party based on the alleged proclivities of, say, Mark Oaten. As for the Bullingdon Club. I fail to see anything that makes them stand out from any other bunch of high-spirited drunks who get up to OTT mischief on a night out. At least it sounds like their philosophy is to repair the damage done. We could revisit the JKB thread about 'things you've stolen while drunk' and see whether any reparations were made or offered by our good friends on these boards. I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted August 5, 2008 Author Share Posted August 5, 2008 The behaviour could be construed as "undemocratic" but surely the headline adjective should be "F|_|cking Mental"?!? He's asking for 68 other offences to be taken into account. So they've nabbed hin on 5 counts of acting like a mental case and he's said, "before you sentence me and to save you any future hassle in investigating, there's 14 times that amount of things that you could nab me on." That's bound to be easy money for the psychiatrist delivering the report. I know that he was standing as a Conservative but surely the extremity of his actions makes it a bit disingenuous to tar the entire party with the same brush. It would be like painting the entire LibDem party based on the alleged proclivities of, say, Mark Oaten. As for the Bullingdon Club. I fail to see anything that makes them stand out from any other bunch of high-spirited drunks who get up to OTT mischief on a night out. At least it sounds like their philosophy is to repair the damage done. We could revisit the JKB thread about 'things you've stolen while drunk' and see whether any reparations were made or offered by our good friends on these boards. I doubt it. What sets the Bulligdon Club apart is that their actions are entirely pre-meditated. It's not just drunken tomfoolery, but rather grotesque abuse of peoples livlihood apparently made okay by the fact they have the money to get themselves out of trouble! Yeah, the guy in the story is a mentalist and of course you are probably correct to say that it is disengenuous to tar the entire party. I've even had a pint with Upthehill before! However...ripping the Tory party is a hobby of mine. Especially when their own members (no pun intended) make it so easy!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 Ah, God bless the colonial masters... ;-) Good old-fashioned paternalism from the C&U Party. Hoorah! The buzz words are libertarian paternalism these days following Nudge, the politician's choice of book for the summer. I would prefer something closer to libertarianism however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felix Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 It would be like painting the entire LibDem party based on the alleged proclivities of, say, Mark Oaten Nothing wrong with that in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 What sets the Bulligdon Club apart is that their actions are entirely pre-meditated. It's not just drunken tomfoolery, but rather grotesque abuse of peoples livlihood apparently made okay by the fact they have the money to get themselves out of trouble! Yeah, the guy in the story is a mentalist and of course you are probably correct to say that it is disengenuous to tar the entire party. I've even had a pint with Upthehill before!Ach - you champagne socialists are all the same: no principles when it comes to a bevvy!! However...ripping the Tory party is a hobby of mine. Especially when their own members (no pun intended) make it so easy!! I kind of sussed that last bit before typing Your description of the Bullingdon Club has made me think of the scene in the Godfather when Sonny kicks seven shades of 54it out of a phtographer at the wedding and then chucks a few dollars at him. That's how engaged in work I am this afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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