Watt-Zeefuik Posted March 15 Posted March 15 (edited) Gordon - 7 - Little to do, no drama Forrester - 5 - Very shaky first half, settled in the second. Needs to move the ball faster Steinwender - 7 - Solid performance, few mistakes. Neilson - 6 - Not great on the ball but after some early passiveness did little wrong Penrice - 7 - Not the kind of game breaking he's done before but all over the pitch Beni - 8 - MotM. Brilliant out there, great pass for the first Kartum - 6 - County suffocated the space he wanted to play into, but he rarely shook loose to do much Spittal - 7 - One bad free kick but worked hard on that side. Shankland - 8 - Best game from him in a while. No shots to speak of but he was everywhere. Wilson - 6 - Gave Lapata nightmares, stood up to his bullying. Should have shot instead of cutting back early in the second. Kabangu - 7 - Great run and shot for the first, but FFS man GET BACK ONSIDE Subs: Musa - 6 - Great ball in for the second Nieuwenhoff - 5 - Improved the team once he slotted back into the 4-2-3-1 Forrest - 3 - I hate being down but . . . just . . . let's move on Grant - 7 - Would have been MotM had he played that way the whole game Edited March 15 by Watt-Zeefuik Quote
hearts00 Posted March 15 Posted March 15 Solid enough without anything spectacular. Jorge Grant was superb when he came on. Thought Shanks was good today and worked hard. The diamond has to go though. It really does. We completely lack control of the match with it and we are clearly not going to play it in some of the upcoming bigger matches, well I certainly hope not. So Critch come on bin it. Quote
colinmaroon Posted March 15 Posted March 15 Messy 7 - Great contribution. Laid on 2nd, unlucky not to score, great defensive cover. Quote
MR INCREDIBLE Posted March 15 Posted March 15 Musa caused havoc when he came on! Deserves to start !!! Quote
Martin B Posted March 15 Posted March 15 19 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said: Shankland - 8 - Best game from him in a while. No shots to speak of but he was everywhere. Honestly GTF! Quote
Bad Religion Posted March 15 Posted March 15 5’s across the board as we won. As average a performance as you’re ever likely to see. Quote
Another Robbo Posted March 15 Posted March 15 Not sure how Gordon got one of the man of the match awards, so little to do. Quote
Ricardo Quaresma Posted March 15 Posted March 15 Need to be a whole level or 2 better next week Hopefully sevco take something Tomorrow or guess what can happen next week, right on schedule? Some 5h1t passing and faffing about today, against a team that showed absolutely nothing, on a knife-edge until the 2nd Quote
ManxandCapeTownJambo Posted March 15 Posted March 15 7 minutes ago, Martin B said: Honestly GTF! I thought he had a great game personally Controlled the ball well and played some great incisive passes , never gave the ball away and worked hard Not sure what game you were watching Quote
stevie Posted March 15 Posted March 15 Beni -8 everyone else -6 Shankland an 8 😂,what *** game are you watching. Quote
gwd1957 Posted March 15 Posted March 15 2 minutes ago, stevie said: Beni -8 everyone else -6 Shankland an 8 😂,what *** game are you watching. Play like that against the Irish mob and we'll get battered. Quote
Martin B Posted March 15 Posted March 15 1 minute ago, ManxandCapeTownJambo said: I thought he had a great game personally Controlled the ball well and played some great incisive passes , never gave the ball away and worked hard Not sure what game you were watching Depends what you’re expecting the player on your team with the free role to do. For me a player with a free role has to either be pinging in goals or sliding through balls to create goals. I have zero interest in a no10 dropping back into our own half flicking the ball about. Quote
colinmaroon Posted March 15 Posted March 15 1 minute ago, Martin B said: Depends what you’re expecting the player on your team with the free role to do. For me a player with a free role has to either be pinging in goals or sliding through balls to create goals. I have zero interest in a no10 dropping back into our own half flicking the ball about. He did a lot more than that. Quote
Peakybunnet Posted March 15 Posted March 15 18 minutes ago, Martin B said: Honestly GTF! Thought he played well also Quote
JudyJudyJudy Posted March 15 Posted March 15 38 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said: Forrester - 5 - Very shaky first half, settled in the second. Needs to move the ball faster Completely agree with this. Hesistant and slow on the ball. Quote
JudyJudyJudy Posted March 15 Posted March 15 7 minutes ago, stevie said: Beni -8 everyone else -6 Shankland an 8 😂,what *** game are you watching. hes right Quote
merrymac Posted March 15 Posted March 15 27 minutes ago, MR INCREDIBLE said: Musa caused havoc when he came on! Deserves to start !!! 100% this 👍 Quote
Taffin Posted March 15 Posted March 15 (edited) First game I've been to this calendar year in person. Generally thought everyone was a 6 or 7 in the main. A few 5s. Beni a standout at 8 or 9. Grant was great when he came on too. Was genuinely shocked as I've defended him and it doesn't look it on TV but in the flesh Shankland is clearly quite considerably overweight Edited March 15 by Taffin Quote
Gavman81 Posted March 15 Posted March 15 27 minutes ago, Martin B said: Honestly GTF! He did play well - hearts telly calling out his contribution - fairs fair he’s been awful but he linked play well today , played a number of good passes , got involved and worked hard Quote
upgotheheads Posted March 15 Posted March 15 I thought Shanks had his best game of the season playing as a midfielder. Beni was immense too, 8 for them. Kabangu 7 for his goal alone and Wilson 7 for all round effort. Steinwnder 8. The rest of the starters 6, and a 6 for Musa. I'd like yo see him gat a start more often. Quote
GarryJ-o-s Posted March 15 Posted March 15 Steinwender man of the match on Flashscore and Whoscored Quote
GinRummy Posted March 15 Posted March 15 34 minutes ago, ManxandCapeTownJambo said: I thought he had a great game personally Controlled the ball well and played some great incisive passes , never gave the ball away and worked hard Not sure what game you were watching That’s because you’ve been backing him and have lost the ability to be impartial. It’s like folk kidding on Barrie McKay was doing well because they had previously said he was a great player. Quote
john thomas Posted March 15 Posted March 15 26 minutes ago, Taffin said: First game I've been to this calendar year in person. Generally thought everyone was a 6 or 7 in the main. A few 5s. Beni a standout at 8 or 9. Grant was great when he came on too. Was genuinely shocked as I've defended him and it doesn't look it on TV but in the flesh Shankland is clearly quite considerably overweight Covers a lot of ground (spare me) for someone who is so overweight and unfit Quote
Philfigo Posted March 15 Posted March 15 Kabangu was dreadful with the exemption of his goal. 1st touch is very poor, can't jump to head a ball, for his size is way to easy pushed off the ball, his finishing is terrible other than when its instictive ans doesnt need to take a touch of the ball and his positional sense is awful. Other than that he is not bad just hope we don't wate any money on even attempting to buy him. Quote
Taffin Posted March 15 Posted March 15 Just now, john thomas said: Covers a lot of ground (spare me) for someone who is so overweight and unfit He does. Doesn't cover particularly much for a professional footballer though, at least not at much velocity. Still played pretty well today though. Quote
Jamb04life Posted March 15 Posted March 15 Beni the standout once again. Everyone else was average in what was a poor game. Thought Kabangu was below par apart from his goal Special shout out to Musa and Grant who added a bit of a spark. What Musa did for Grants goal is exactly what we need and have been missing Quote
Steve Bracknall Posted March 15 Posted March 15 I’d have marked Shankland as a 7/10. The OP getting some amount of grief for marking him a notch higher 🤷🏼♂️ I thought he played well. We need better at right back centre half than Forrester and Neilson. Which I’m sure will happen come the Summer Quote
maltese jambo Posted March 15 Posted March 15 Musa was hungry when he came on. Good. Far too much slack play and we really need to step up a gear or two in general. Quote
Martin B Posted March 15 Posted March 15 22 minutes ago, GinRummy said: That’s because you’ve been backing him and have lost the ability to be impartial. It’s like folk kidding on Barrie McKay was doing well because they had previously said he was a great player. Quote
TynecastleBC5 Posted March 15 Posted March 15 Genuine question as I can't make my mind up... Would anyone give Grant a new contract even if it's as a squad player next season? With Jamestown involved there can be no loyalty to players as we are aiming to improve in every position when we can. In most of our minds he isn't what we need for trying to push the old firm or having a good go in europe, hence squad player. Starting playing very well for us but in the "playing his arse off for a new contract" category unfortunately which is a grey area. Quote
Gavman81 Posted March 15 Posted March 15 12 minutes ago, Philfigo said: Kabangu was dreadful with the exemption of his goal. 1st touch is very poor, can't jump to head a ball, for his size is way to easy pushed off the ball, his finishing is terrible other than when its instictive ans doesnt need to take a touch of the ball and his positional sense is awful. Other than that he is not bad just hope we don't wate any money on even attempting to buy him. Yeah, let’s not keep the man that has scored 8 goals for us since mid Jan with a range of excellent finishes who could get better and improve with more coaching and better players around him. That would be foolish in the extreme Quote
Martin B Posted March 15 Posted March 15 Genuinely don’t get the Shankland views from others. Considering he has a free role to stroll about the pitch as he desires, what does he actually contribute? Can’t think of a single chance he contributed to today. A Kartum/Shanda/Spittal given the same level of freedom would be much more potent. Quote
The Treasurer Posted March 15 Posted March 15 1 hour ago, Watt-Zeefuik said: Gordon - 7 - Little to do, no drama Forrester - 5 - Very shaky first half, settled in the second. Needs to move the ball faster Steinwender - 7 - Solid performance, few mistakes. Neilson - 6 - Not great on the ball but after some early passiveness did little wrong Penrice - 7 - Not the kind of game breaking he's done before but all over the pitch Beni - 8 - MotM. Brilliant out there, great pass for the first Kartum - 6 - County suffocated the space he wanted to play into, but he rarely shook loose to do much Spittal - 7 - One bad free kick but worked hard on that side. Shankland - 8 - Best game from him in a while. No shots to speak of but he was everywhere. Wilson - 6 - Gave Lapata nightmares, stood up to his bullying. Should have shot instead of cutting back early in the second. Kabangu - 7 - Great run and shot for the first, but FFS man GET BACK ONSIDE Subs: Musa - 6 - Great ball in for the second Nieuwenhoff - 5 - Improved the team once he slotted back into the 4-2-3-1 Forrest - 3 - I hate being down but . . . just . . . let's move on Grant - 7 - Would have been MotM had he played that way the whole game Can't disagree with anything you say. Quote
Watt-Zeefuik Posted March 15 Author Posted March 15 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Steve Bracknall said: I’d have marked Shankland as a 7/10. The OP getting some amount of grief for marking him a notch higher 🤷🏼♂️ I thought he played well. We need better at right back centre half than Forrester and Neilson. Which I’m sure will happen come the Summer I’m happy to say 8 was too high. Was writing in a hurry and feeling good after the win. But folk who can’t see he had a good game are those who’ve given up on him. Shanks was one of two players making any successful creative passes in the first half. Edited March 15 by Watt-Zeefuik Quote
Philfigo Posted March 15 Posted March 15 7 minutes ago, Gavman81 said: Yeah, let’s not keep the man that has scored 8 goals for us since mid Jan with a range of excellent finishes who could get better and improve with more coaching and better players around him. That would be foolish in the extreme Football is game of opinions mate! You could counter goals scored by saying easy chances missed outways goals scored. Would another striker in his position have scored more with all the chances he has had. Quote
Swanny17 Posted March 15 Posted March 15 Gordon - 6 Forrester - 5 Neilson - 6 Steinwender - 6 Penrice - 6 Beni - 8 Spittal - 5 Kartum - 5 Shankland - 5 Kabangu - 6 Wilson - 6 Grant - 7 Musa - 7 Forrest - 4 Hoff - 5 Quote
Bad Religion Posted March 15 Posted March 15 2 minutes ago, Martin B said: Genuinely don’t get the Shankland views from others. Considering he has a free role to stroll about the pitch as he desires, what does he actually contribute? Can’t think of a single chance he contributed to today. A Kartum/Shanda/Spittal given the same level of freedom would be much more potent. He was involved in one of Wilson’s shots from around the edge of the box. Wilson didn’t really get any power behind it but had it gone in would have been a Shankland assist. The pass was what would be expected of a player playing in his position at this level, nothing more. Quote
stevie Posted March 15 Posted March 15 Just now, Swanny17 said: Gordon - 6 Forrester - 5 Neilson - 6 Steinwender - 6 Penrice - 6 Beni - 8 Spittal - 5 Kartum - 5 Shankland - 5 Kabangu - 6 Wilson - 6 Grant - 7 Musa - 7 Forrest - 4 Hoff - 5 Spot on Swanny 👍 Quote
Gavman81 Posted March 15 Posted March 15 Just now, Philfigo said: Football is game of opinions mate! You could counter goals scored by saying easy chances missed outways goals scored. Would another striker in his position have scored more with all the chances he has had. I get it bud but he’s good at this level. Appreciate he could do better at times but wouldn’t be at Hearts in that instance. Confident he’ll get 10 + goals and if stays , only get better with better quality around him and coaching work 👍 Quote
Martin B Posted March 15 Posted March 15 1 minute ago, Swanny17 said: Gordon - 6 Forrester - 5 Neilson - 6 Steinwender - 6 Penrice - 6 Beni - 8 Spittal - 5 Kartum - 5 Shankland - 5 Kabangu - 6 Wilson - 6 Grant - 7 Musa - 7 Forrest - 4 Hoff - 5 Steinwender was much better than a 6. That apart you’re pretty much spot on. Right now we’re winning in spite of the starting lineup and formation rather because of it. Quote
lmc1 Posted March 15 Posted March 15 Beni and Steinwender the stand outs and thought Grant (scoring or not) played well when he came on. The families of Kartum and Steinwender were enjoying their afternoon and seemed to enjoy taking pics and videos, especially of the ultras, trying to sing along 🇱🇻 Quote
Philfigo Posted March 15 Posted March 15 2 minutes ago, Gavman81 said: I get it bud but he’s good at this level. Appreciate he could do better at times but wouldn’t be at Hearts in that instance. Confident he’ll get 10 + goals and if stays , only get better with better quality around him and coaching work 👍 You are spot on there mate, bit like if Barrie Mckay didn't have the heart of a mouse he would have been playing at far higher level than us. If Kabangu and at least show better awareness/positional sense then that's a good start. I hope he turns out to be shit hot and I am clueless. Quote
Watt-Zeefuik Posted March 15 Author Posted March 15 5 minutes ago, Martin B said: Genuinely don’t get the Shankland views from others. Considering he has a free role to stroll about the pitch as he desires, what does he actually contribute? Can’t think of a single chance he contributed to today. A Kartum/Shanda/Spittal given the same level of freedom would be much more potent. There were three midfielders in the diamond in front of Beni, including Shanks, all of them trying to find room in that County defence. It doesn't feel accurate to say County "parked the bus" as they were very active on defence swarming around the ball on the wings and suffocating any kind of passes back across the middle. Spittal tried to do his link-up with Penrice and aside from a few bursts of energy it didn't come off at all. Kartum disappeared entirely from the game with the exceptions of a few times on the counter when he found some space. Shanks, on the other hand, was constantly carving out bits of space and receiving the ball. He was unlucky not to have at least one assist, with the best chance of the first half aside from the goal coming with him playing Wilson into space in the box. When County pressed us, it was often him recovering the ball or pulling it out of trouble and keeping possession. Was it a true #10 performance where he moved about and constantly played defence-splitting passes? No, it was not. But in a game dragged into the mud by their very active, stodgy defence (seriously, some credit to Cowie there) he played the creative mid role we needed. Quote
JamboRossi79 Posted March 15 Posted March 15 Usual FotMob ratings based on stats alone Gordon 7.6 Forrester 7.2 Neilson 7.4 Steinwender 8.6 🌟 man Penrice 7.4 Kartum 6.8 Baningime 8.4 Spittal 7.3 Shankland 8.0 Wilson 6.3 Kabangu 7.3 Nieuwenhof 6.3 Grant 7.9 Forrest 6.1 Drammeh 7.0 Quote
Watt-Zeefuik Posted March 15 Author Posted March 15 7 minutes ago, Philfigo said: Football is game of opinions mate! You could counter goals scored by saying easy chances missed outways goals scored. Would another striker in his position have scored more with all the chances he has had. We have had plenty of strikers at Hearts who never would have gotten themselves into the space to get the chances that Kabangu missed. He does need improvement, particularly on offside awareness (FFS) and technique around the goal. But the raw material there is outstanding in terms of his speed, strength, and work rate. But, to hammer on an old saw, if he were better he never would have been available from USG. Quote
Martin B Posted March 15 Posted March 15 4 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said: There were three midfielders in the diamond in front of Beni, including Shanks, all of them trying to find room in that County defence. It doesn't feel accurate to say County "parked the bus" as they were very active on defence swarming around the ball on the wings and suffocating any kind of passes back across the middle. Spittal tried to do his link-up with Penrice and aside from a few bursts of energy it didn't come off at all. Kartum disappeared entirely from the game with the exceptions of a few times on the counter when he found some space. Shanks, on the other hand, was constantly carving out bits of space and receiving the ball. He was unlucky not to have at least one assist, with the best chance of the first half aside from the goal coming with him playing Wilson into space in the box. When County pressed us, it was often him recovering the ball or pulling it out of trouble and keeping possession. Was it a true #10 performance where he moved about and constantly played defence-splitting passes? No, it was not. But in a game dragged into the mud by their very active, stodgy defence (seriously, some credit to Cowie there) he played the creative mid role we needed. Which begs the questions: 1. Why are we playing a striker in the creative midfield role? 2. Could a natural attacking midfielder make more of playing in that position? The answers for me are: 1. God knows! 2. Of course! Quote
the posh bit Posted March 15 Posted March 15 1 hour ago, MR INCREDIBLE said: Musa caused havoc when he came on! Deserves to start !!! Musa should be starting ahead of Shankland. Quote
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