Midloth_Iain Posted March 11 Posted March 11 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cvgprplz94yo 100,000 capacity - looks incredible in the video release. Quote
Midloth_Iain Posted March 11 Author Posted March 11 sorry, just realised it has been covered in the EPL thread ...... Quote
Malinga the Swinga Posted March 11 Posted March 11 1 minute ago, Midloth_Iain said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cvgprplz94yo 100,000 capacity - looks incredible in the video release. I wouldn't trust Ratcliffe for one second. Rat by name and nature, his Ineos sports brand has a distinct tang if shit about it. As for his little weasel Brailsford, he's a very suspicious track record Quote
billybalfour Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Usually a really unsettling period on the park when this is going on.Probably at least 10 years before another title win for them if it goes ahead.Too long for a club like that. Quote
A_A wehatethehibs Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Definitely will take the Stadium of Light crown as best stadium in the Championship Quote
RustyRightPeg Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Looks like one of the Butlin’s sites. Quite the change of direction from we’ll be bust by Christmas to here’s a new £1B stadium overnight… Quote
Gundermann Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Man Utd £1bn in debt according to article yet they're gonna build this? Wonder how much yon Ratcliffe is getting in govt handouts while closing Grangemouth. Quote
A_A wehatethehibs Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Just now, Gundermann said: Man Utd £1bn in debt according to article yet they're gonna build this? Wonder how much yon Ratcliffe is getting in govt handouts while closing Grangemouth. Much like all of capitalism, the plan is presumably to borrow another 2bn and triple the debt. Quote
boag1874 Posted March 11 Posted March 11 (edited) Can't pay for a staff canteen any more but can pay for a £2B stadium... Ratcliffe is an apt name Edited March 11 by boag1874 Quote
PortyBeach Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Looks like an attempt to raise morale and reinforce the notion of the club as Manchester’s “Billy Big Baws”… Quote
Tazio Posted March 11 Posted March 11 The towers (pillars?) are going to be 200m high apparently. For reference the Scott Monument is about 60m. Quote
AuldReekiee Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Inside looks class. Good to see a club trying something diiferent, too many new stadiums look virtually the same. The exterior does look pretty cheap, though. They can surely come up with something better than that. Quote
Star Lizard Posted March 11 Posted March 11 4 hours ago, Midloth_Iain said: sorry, just realised it has been covered in the EPL thread ...... Glad you posted it . I never read the EPL thread but I am fairly interested in stadium design and stuff like that Quote
Seymour M Hersh Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Apparently they have 1 billion fans around the world (that's 1 in every 8 people in the world 😂), the stadium will be a bigger tourist draw than the Eiffel Tower 🤣. It'll cost £2billion at today's prices, it'll take anywhere from 5-10 years to build. Ratcliffe seems to think the government is going to pay a wedge of this which is why he is constantly using the phrase Wembley of the north (midlands). 🥧 in the sky. Quote
John Findlay Posted March 11 Posted March 11 The Billy Smart stadium. Shirts sponsored by Chipperfields Quote
Sooperstar Posted March 11 Posted March 11 4 hours ago, Midloth_Iain said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cvgprplz94yo 100,000 capacity - looks incredible in the video release. Looks incredibly bad. An eyesore which I would imagine the locals will have a lot to say about. Quote
Taffin Posted March 11 Posted March 11 3 hours ago, AndyNic said: Looks like a big circus tent Seems fitting. Quote
Drylaw Hearts Posted March 11 Posted March 11 33 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Apparently they have 1 billion fans around the world (that's 1 in every 8 people in the world 😂), the stadium will be a bigger tourist draw than the Eiffel Tower 🤣. It'll cost £2billion at today's prices, it'll take anywhere from 5-10 years to build. Ratcliffe seems to think the government is going to pay a wedge of this which is why he is constantly using the phrase Wembley of the north (midlands). 🥧 in the sky. Ratcliffe stated only yesterday they don’t need any Government funding for the stadium. Quote
fabienleclerq Posted March 11 Posted March 11 11 minutes ago, Drylaw Hearts said: Ratcliffe stated only yesterday they don’t need any Government funding for the stadium. He was very careful with his words, without the government paying for the "regeneration " of south Manchester he said it won't go ahead. So they've drawn up a plan for the area and are getting the government to pay for anything but the stadium. Quote
Drylaw Hearts Posted March 11 Posted March 11 47 minutes ago, fabienleclerq said: He was very careful with his words, without the government paying for the "regeneration " of south Manchester he said it won't go ahead. So they've drawn up a plan for the area and are getting the government to pay for anything but the stadium. There were already council plans for the area……he is trying to jump on board and make the planning process a lot easier I think. I’ve no doubt that there will be land in the area that Utd currently own that they’ll sell to the council or developers and this will help a bit towards funding the build. They need a lot of things to go their way to get this going. Quote
kawasakijambo Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Very similar to the SoFi stadium in LA, that cost $4.5 billion . Quote
jamboinglasgow Posted March 11 Posted March 11 5 hours ago, boag1874 said: Can't pay for a staff canteen any more but can pay for a £2B stadium... Ratcliffe is an apt name All while the club's biggest owners are using the club as their own personal cash machine, thanks to how they bought the club with money effectively borrowed by the club and being paid off by the club. With all the stories about Ratcliffe cutting any type of benefit for the staff and cutting employees, I wonder if the board have made any sacrifices to their roles, cheaper champagne, not taking private jets everywhere etc. Quote
Mikey1874 Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Challenge to all the others making their income exceed everyone's by miles. Quote
Perth to Paisley Posted March 11 Posted March 11 As long as its not the tax payer paying for it in some 'mental government growth initiative' then I don't give toss. Quote
Tazio Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Just now, Seymour M Hersh said: They should do the traditional thing and buy up all the houses next to the ground and turn it into a desolate slum so a stand can be extended. Quote
washniklaw Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Rant: As normally mild mannered human I would be genuinely furious if the government contribute public money to this project. I can see the bigger picture development but Man Utd exist in a league that generates 100’s of millions every year and their executives have removed 100’s of millions from their own club. There is no way public money should be used to financially back Radcliffe and his project. He is currently in the process of running down Grangemouth, a site that contributes hugely to gdp in this country. He shouldn’t get a penny. Wembley of the North has been mentioned. £800m was spend to produce the real Wembley and they don’t need a 2nd. We have Hampden which is 3/4 the old terraces with seats bolted in and a roof plonked on top. I believe the government contributed to the development of Hampdens main stand but not much else. No way should Man Utd and their shareholders get government bailout for not investing properly in Old Trafford for 20 years. Quote
Pasquale for King Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Its just New Trafford surely, will be built anyway as the UK government don’t have billions kicking around to build the infrastructure around it. Quote
Pasquale for King Posted March 11 Posted March 11 26 minutes ago, washniklaw said: Rant: As normally mild mannered human I would be genuinely furious if the government contribute public money to this project. I can see the bigger picture development but Man Utd exist in a league that generates 100’s of millions every year and their executives have removed 100’s of millions from their own club. There is no way public money should be used to financially back Radcliffe and his project. He is currently in the process of running down Grangemouth, a site that contributes hugely to gdp in this country. He shouldn’t get a penny. Wembley of the North has been mentioned. £800m was spend to produce the real Wembley and they don’t need a 2nd. We have Hampden which is 3/4 the old terraces with seats bolted in and a roof plonked on top. I believe the government contributed to the development of Hampdens main stand but not much else. No way should Man Utd and their shareholders get government bailout for not investing properly in Old Trafford for 20 years. Spot on Quote
Pasquale for King Posted March 11 Posted March 11 8 hours ago, boag1874 said: Can't pay for a staff canteen any more but can pay for a £2B stadium... Ratcliffe is an apt name Exactly 👍🏽 Quote
Pasquale for King Posted March 11 Posted March 11 8 hours ago, billybalfour said: Usually a really unsettling period on the park when this is going on.Probably at least 10 years before another title win for them if it goes ahead.Too long for a club like that. Not at all, they’ve had two extremely successful periods in their history under fantastic Scottish managers, theres no guarantee they will ever get back to that with so much competition now. Its why they want an £100k stadium. Quote
Rudi5kaceldream1ng Posted March 11 Posted March 11 I find the 5 year construction plan wildly optimistic. I mean the pre fab using Manchester canals on the surface seems to indicate cutting timescales... Ratcliffe has struck me as someone who keeps putting his foot in it in terms of over promising things. Also he's spoken about a government regeneration plan being key to the project... Moments after the press conference a spokesperson for the pm said they didn't know of any plans lmao. Its strange to see such a gaffe prone successful business guy. I've no idea why he's said 5 years publicly like that...its seriously going to come back and bite him in the arse. Quote
Tazio Posted March 11 Posted March 11 4 minutes ago, Rudi5kaceldream1ng said: I find the 5 year construction plan wildly optimistic. I mean the pre fab using Manchester canals on the surface seems to indicate cutting timescales... Ratcliffe has struck me as someone who keeps putting his foot in it in terms of over promising things. Also he's spoken about a government regeneration plan being key to the project... Moments after the press conference a spokesperson for the pm said they didn't know of any plans lmao. Its strange to see such a gaffe prone successful business guy. I've no idea why he's said 5 years publicly like that...it’s seriously going to come back and bite him in the arse. Sky Cycling became Ineos. Went to shit with unhappy riders. And his boy Dave Brailsford is now behind the scenes at Utd. Ineos got involved in the America’s Cup sailing team. Went to shit with an unhappy skipper. Christ, their name even appeared on Mercedes F1 cars just as their domination slipped. The bloke is a jinx. Quote
jamboinglasgow Posted March 11 Posted March 11 15 minutes ago, Rudi5kaceldream1ng said: I find the 5 year construction plan wildly optimistic. I mean the pre fab using Manchester canals on the surface seems to indicate cutting timescales... Ratcliffe has struck me as someone who keeps putting his foot in it in terms of over promising things. Also he's spoken about a government regeneration plan being key to the project... Moments after the press conference a spokesperson for the pm said they didn't know of any plans lmao. Its strange to see such a gaffe prone successful business guy. I've no idea why he's said 5 years publicly like that...its seriously going to come back and bite him in the arse. It has been a common tactic from owners of clubs, if people are turning on you just bring out a shiny plan for a new stadium. Distracts most of the fans and means the press can concentrate on that instead. Obviously its a short term measure, but keep another design in the back pocked for when you next want to distract people. Quote
1971fozzy Posted March 12 Posted March 12 10 hours ago, Gundermann said: Man Utd £1bn in debt according to article yet they're gonna build this? Wonder how much yon Ratcliffe is getting in govt handouts while closing Grangemouth. This 🤣🤣🤣 Quote
1971fozzy Posted March 12 Posted March 12 Reminds me of Vlads proposed main stand (albeit obviously on a smaller scale) when he knew he was skint. this is like the new pittodrie dream 🤣 zero chance Quote
Watt-Zeefuik Posted March 12 Posted March 12 I give this about as much chance of being built as drawn as I do of getting a seat in Vlad's new main stand. This seems like the kind of thing your roll out to distract from being shit on the pitch and bad at ownership. Quote
Tazio Posted March 12 Posted March 12 1 hour ago, Watt-Zeefuik said: I give this about as much chance of being built as drawn as I do of getting a seat in Vlad's new main stand. This seems like the kind of thing your roll out to distract from being shit on the pitch and bad at ownership. Ratcliffe could just pay for it. It’s a simple equation. Say he’s worth £100b and it’s going to cost £2b, it’s like being down to your last £100 and needing to spend £2 for your bus fair to work. You wouldn’t think twice. However it appears the bold Jim is “only” worth £16b which is small beer to get something like this going with a club in that much of a financial mess. Quote
Tazio Posted March 12 Posted March 12 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Tazio said: Ratcliffe could just pay for it. It’s a simple equation. Say he’s worth £100b and it’s going to cost £2b, it’s like being down to your last £100 and needing to spend £2 for your bus fair to work. You wouldn’t think twice. However it appears the bold Jim is “only” worth £16b which is small beer to get something like this going with a club in that much of a financial mess. Actually now I’ve thought about that if he truly loved the club he wouldn’t think twice. If I was in that situation and was Hearts owner I’d be all over it. Worth £16b so what the hell is an eight of my wealth when it helps my club? The cynical realist in me says this is the proof he has no affection for the club beyond ego. Edited March 12 by Tazio Quote
Captain Sausage Posted March 12 Posted March 12 (edited) Not a chance that a 100k capacity stadium, plus renovation of the entire surrounding area, is getting done for £2n. The stadium alone will be 3-4 minimum. Edited March 12 by Captain Sausage Quote
Shanks said no Posted March 12 Posted March 12 Meanwhile elsewhere another stadium continues to expand Quote
Gundermann Posted March 12 Posted March 12 7 hours ago, 1971fozzy said: Reminds me of Vlads proposed main stand (albeit obviously on a smaller scale) when he knew he was skint. this is like the new pittodrie dream 🤣 zero chance Vlad wasn't gonna get a £1bn handout from Starmer though. Cutting benefits but giving handouts to rich thundercnts like Ratcliffe. 🤢 Quote
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