Alex Salmond dead

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[Jeffros Furios]

Decent enough turnout but having no live feed from the service meant everyone outside  was having to watch and hear it on thier phones .

[Libertarian]

A fitting tribute to a great political leader and a great Hearts supporter. I detest the modern SNP but would never have made it to university if Salmond had not scrapped university tuition fees. Alec Salmond I salute you, may you rest in peace.

https://x.com/pilaraymara/status/1862905950471954505?t=f2jB5maBllTTQa_Ugmhlmw&s=19

[Gerry1874]

Some grumpy smurfs outside shouting abuse at Honest John. Deary me...

[VALDOS']

I didn't particularly like Salmond as a politician or share his endless drive for independence, but at the same time I could certainly respect the guy and that in his profession he was leagues apart from most of the dummy's in Westminster.

I thought the mindless morons yesterday were an utter disgrace, someone's son, father, husband, brother etc is being laid to rest and grossly overweight unemployed Brenda from Leith turns up to shout the odds about political views, pathetic.

[Roxy Hearts]

3 hours ago, Gerry1874 said:

Some grumpy smurfs outside shouting abuse at Honest John. Deary me...

Free speech and democracy eh! I don't agree with what they did.

 

RIP Alex Salmond, one of the best politicians in my lifetime.

[XB52]

2 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said:

Free speech and democracy eh! I don't agree with what they did.

 

RIP Alex Salmond, one of the best politicians in my lifetime.

I'm afraid it just sums up Alba supporters.

[Gerry1874]

1 hour ago, Roxy Hearts said:

Free speech and democracy eh! I don't agree with what they did.

 

RIP Alex Salmond, one of the best politicians in my lifetime.

Yeah shows a lack of decorum to behave like that at a memorial service. Alba supporters always seem like unhinged nutters though.

[Roxy Hearts]

27 minutes ago, Gerry1874 said:

Yeah shows a lack of decorum to behave like that at a memorial service. Alba supporters always seem like unhinged nutters though.

Politics bring out the worst in people. Look at the Nazi saluting, British types. No self awareness! 

 

Anyway let's not derail the thread. Salmond was a formidable politician who was respected across the spectrum. I don’t think we'll ever see his likes again🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[Australis]

Have Alba picked a new leader yet and have they announced if he or she will actually stand as a candidate at elections?

 

[AlimOzturk]

3 hours ago, Australis said:

Have Alba picked a new leader yet and have they announced if he or she will actually stand as a candidate at elections?

 

Kenny MacAskill I believe 

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Whilst this won't bring him back, what he had to leave his friends, family & country was his legacy. The actions of certain individuals has tainted that reputation and likely drove him into an early grave, depriving the Scottish Independence movement of the leader it needed. 

 

 

Sincerely hope this delivers the justice that he should have saw whilst alive. 

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On 01/12/2024 at 22:30, AlimOzturk said:

Kenny MacAskill I believe 

 

Interim leader. 

 

Believe that there will be an opportunity for conference to select a successor (assuming Kenny doesn't want it/stands aside/ others put themselves forward). 

 

Personally, I'm desperate to see Duncan Hamilton KC join and put his name forward

 

 

 

 

[jack D and coke]

9 hours ago, OTT said:

 

Interim leader. 

 

Believe that there will be an opportunity for conference to select a successor (assuming Kenny doesn't want it/stands aside/ others put themselves forward). 

 

Personally, I'm desperate to see Duncan Hamilton KC join and put his name forward

 

 

 

 

I’ve seen quite a bit of him he’s defo the man. I hope he puts himself forward. 

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2 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

I’ve seen quite a bit of him he’s defo the man. I hope he puts himself forward. 

 

He has all the tools in his locker to become a very, very successful politician if he chooses to be. Extremely powerful and effective public speaker with the charisma to go along with it. 

 

Considering he cited Salmond as a mentor in his eulogy, I sincerely hoping we're talking when not if. Holyrood is so talent scarce at the moment, that I think DH would give Alba a lot of credibility and maybe be able to help steer the party into less confrontation with the SNP.

 

(I think Alba need to put the kid gloves on when interacting with the SNP ahead of 2026, convincing as many SNP voters as possible to back SNP1 ALBA2 is crucial to delivering a Pro-Independence supermajority and in reality would actually only take seats away from Unionists). Alba's opposition to the SNP within Holyrood would be effective as wouldn't be viewed purely through a constitutional lense (opposition for the sake of it because "boo hiss nationalists"). 

[Gundermann]

Alba sucking up to Farage and the Tories now with anti-refugee schtick. Shameful stuff.

[jack D and coke]

26 minutes ago, Gundermann said:

Alba sucking up to Farage and the Tories now with anti-refugee schtick. Shameful stuff.

What?

[ToadKiller Dog]

The only thing of note the one SNP defector to Alba in holyrood has done was to vote with the unionist parties to try to bring down the scottish goverment. 

 

53 minutes ago, Gundermann said:

Alba sucking up to Farage and the Tories now with anti-refugee schtick. Shameful stuff.

I take it you mean the Alba Spokesperson who stood by the tory dog whistle call to scrap asylum seekers bus passes ?

Alba are an odd lot seem often wanting to court populist right politics and culture war guff .

Certainly they may see Farage type tactics as a way of getting noticed .

Maybe there is a space for a right leaning nationalist party in holyrood ,polls don't really show that though .

 

 

[jack D and coke]

20 minutes ago, ToadKiller Dog said:

The only thing of note the one SNP defector to Alba in holyrood has done was to vote with the unionist parties to try to bring down the scottish goverment. 

 

I take it you mean the Alba Spokesperson who stood by the tory dog whistle call to scrap asylum seekers bus passes ?

Alba are an odd lot seem often wanting to court populist right politics and culture war guff .

Certainly they may see Farage type tactics as a way of getting noticed .

Maybe there is a space for a right leaning nationalist party in holyrood ,polls don't really show that though .

 

 

I think it’s more to do with alba don’t entertain this snp gender bolloks tbqh. 
They’re nationalists but normal. 
What the sucking up to Farage means I don’t know. I really don’t think any of the alba party are anything like him. 
And illl be honest if they’re against this hideous flood the place with immigrants pish then im fully behind that as well. 
Immigration is needed here we know that but not the way it’s currently happening in the south east of England. 

[Armageddon]

This feels weird, but I really enjoyed the Proclaimers singing at his service, Cap in Hand 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[XB52]

2 hours ago, Gundermann said:

Alba sucking up to Farage and the Tories now with anti-refugee schtick. Shameful stuff.

Alba have always been right wing/traditional. Look at the dinosaurs that left the SNP to join them, plus the ones continuing to snipe from inside the SNP till they get kicked out in 2016.

We desperately need a new independence party totally free from any Alba or SNP affiliations. Then we really could have an SNP1/SIP2 super majority for independence 

[Gundermann]

40 minutes ago, XB52 said:

Alba have always been right wing/traditional. Look at the dinosaurs that left the SNP to join them, plus the ones continuing to snipe from inside the SNP till they get kicked out in 2016.

We desperately need a new independence party totally free from any Alba or SNP affiliations. Then we really could have an SNP1/SIP2 super majority for independence 

 

Agree, kind of. Then you get folk like the Proclaimers who support them and Lesley Riddoch who tolerates them.

 

Certainly, for a party whose raison d'etre is "independence and independence only" they do seem to waffle a lot about trans people, Romanian beggars and now refugees with bus passes.

 

Agree with the sentiment of setting up a new party but these small parties seem to be chock-full of bams - like yon ISP founder who charges money to talk to angels... Same with the Yoon side though, thanks largely to the BBC, Farage seems to have broken through from the fringes into the mainstream.

[The Real Maroonblood]

56 minutes ago, XB52 said:

Alba have always been right wing/traditional. Look at the dinosaurs that left the SNP to join them, plus the ones continuing to snipe from inside the SNP till they get kicked out in 2016.

We desperately need a new independence party totally free from any Alba or SNP affiliations. Then we really could have an SNP1/SIP2 super majority for independence 

As long as Sturgeon keeps away from any new Independence Party.

[AyrJambo]

1 hour ago, XB52 said:

Alba have always been right wing/traditional. Look at the dinosaurs that left the SNP to join them, plus the ones continuing to snipe from inside the SNP till they get kicked out in 2016.

We desperately need a new independence party totally free from any Alba or SNP affiliations. Then we really could have an SNP1/SIP2 super majority for independence 

 

There is already the ISP

https://www.isp.scot/

 

And Peter Bell's New Scotland Party

https://new-scotland.scot/

 

All parties should be adopting the Manifesto for Independence but I can't see either the SNP nor Alba going for it

https://new-scotland.scot/manifesto-for-independence/

 

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You don't need to destroy stuff when you've done nothing wrong. This isn't the behaviour of a government with nothing to hide. 

 

Also, why the hell isn't there legislation to prevent mass deletion of documents ? 

[Australis]

39 minutes ago, OTT said:

 

You don't need to destroy stuff when you've done nothing wrong. This isn't the behaviour of a government with nothing to hide. 

 

Also, why the hell isn't there legislation to prevent mass deletion of documents ? 

Is anyone surprised at all.

 

Remember when they told us they were going to govern differently.

 

Salmond was a creep, but I hope the people representing him now, get their day.

 

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Imagine being such a nasty, vindictive and spiteful individual so incapable of empathy that you think it appropriate to continue twisting the knife when a family is grieving. Forcing an 85 year old widow to have to make a statement because you just can't help yourself. 

 

Shame on Nicola Sturgeon. Too busy trying to demonise Salmond to detract from her own failures. 

 

An actual ****ing Ghoul. 

[JamboX2]

On 15/12/2024 at 10:04, OTT said:

 

He has all the tools in his locker to become a very, very successful politician if he chooses to be. Extremely powerful and effective public speaker with the charisma to go along with it. 

 

Considering he cited Salmond as a mentor in his eulogy, I sincerely hoping we're talking when not if. Holyrood is so talent scarce at the moment, that I think DH would give Alba a lot of credibility and maybe be able to help steer the party into less confrontation with the SNP.

 

(I think Alba need to put the kid gloves on when interacting with the SNP ahead of 2026, convincing as many SNP voters as possible to back SNP1 ALBA2 is crucial to delivering a Pro-Independence supermajority and in reality would actually only take seats away from Unionists). Alba's opposition to the SNP within Holyrood would be effective as wouldn't be viewed purely through a constitutional lense (opposition for the sake of it because "boo hiss nationalists"). 

 

He was an SNP MSP between 1999 and 2003. Left to go into the law. 

[BlueRiver]

2 hours ago, OTT said:

 

Imagine being such a nasty, vindictive and spiteful individual so incapable of empathy that you think it appropriate to continue twisting the knife when a family is grieving. Forcing an 85 year old widow to have to make a statement because you just can't help yourself. 

 

Shame on Nicola Sturgeon. Too busy trying to demonise Salmond to detract from her own failures. 

 

An actual ****ing Ghoul. 

 

Who's still been making comments? I've not seen anything in the news but haven't been following closely? Was it Sturgeon? 

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1 minute ago, BlueRiver said:

 

Who's still been making comments? I've not seen anything in the news but haven't been following closely? Was it Sturgeon? 

 

Yeah, accusing him of bullying and she was of course the white knight that rode in to save the day. I believe Swinney has piped up too. 

 

Alex Neil has tweeted about those in Glass Houses. So very obviously Sturgeon has done much the same behind closed doors. 

 

If Salmond was such a big bad scary man, why did both she & Swinney plead with him not to resign in 2014 after the referendum?

[BlueRiver]

1 minute ago, OTT said:

 

Yeah, accusing him of bullying and she was of course the white knight that rode in to save the day. I believe Swinney has piped up too. 

 

Alex Neil has tweeted about those in Glass Houses. So very obviously Sturgeon has done much the same behind closed doors. 

 

If Salmond was such a big bad scary man, why did both she & Swinney plead with him not to resign in 2014 after the referendum?

 

Horrible pair of knobs. 

[John Findlay]

3 hours ago, OTT said:

 

 

If Salmond was such a big bad scary man, why did both she & Swinney plead with him not to resign in 2014 after the referendum?

Crocodile pleading, as in crocodile tears.

[Australis]

Seems to be moves being made, so that in the future SNP supporters will remember her more fondly than Eck.

 

She is doing her best to continue to bad mouth and destroy him.

 

 

Edited January 13 by Australis

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4 minutes ago, Australis said:

Seems to be moves being made, so that in the future SNP supporters will remember her more fondly than Eck.

 

She is doing her best to continue to bad mouth and destroy him.

 

 

 

I mean they did erase him from the website recounting the SNP history  

 

Some guy that scrapped Tuition fees, prescription charge and bridge tolls. Might have also delivered the queensferry crossing on time and under budget, but here's Nicola who delivered baby boxes and erm... ferry scandals?

 

The inescapable fact is that Alex Salmond was the better First Minister by a country mile. Its not even close, kinda close or sort of close. His time as FM was peppered with delivery of progressive policies which benefitted all Scots. Her crowning victory, was Baby Boxes, which were plaguerised from Finland. No bold policies, unless we're counting trying to put male rapists in female prisons?