jamborich Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 This is something that confuses me with Naismith does he actually know, tactics are rotten see when you sign a player you should know were you want him to play to do the job you signed him for, he has lost it time for change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveins Battalion Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 Our best 11 started v Rangers and has been absent since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmiyaHearts Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 It's a pointless question, as this manager has confirmed he won't play his best 11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 Clarke Taylor Kent Kingsley Penrice Mckay Boetang Beni Hoff Dhanda Shankland No place whatsoever for: Boyce Atkinson (think he is still with us) Rowles Vargas Forrest Oda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyWay Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 13 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: Clarke Taylor Kent Kingsley Penrice Mckay Boetang Beni Hoff Dhanda Shankland No place whatsoever for: Boyce Atkinson (think he is still with us) Rowles Vargas Forrest Oda Just shows how opinions can differ as for me, having McKay anywhere near our starting 11 is utter nightmare fuel. Bags of ability but his lack of heart makes him a man short when the chips are down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 16 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: Clarke Taylor Kent Kingsley Penrice Mckay Boetang Beni Hoff Dhanda Shankland No place whatsoever for: Boyce Atkinson (think he is still with us) Rowles Vargas Forrest Oda No thanks. Gordon instead of Clarke and McKay is nowhere near good either. Much prefer Vargas. Then again, you don't attend or support Hearts in any meaningful way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS98 Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 The manager doesn’t know his best 11 which means none of us know the best 11. We’ve only saw snippets of certain players and some of them played out of position. Spittal so far has looked like a competition winner but for 15 mins today in his preferred position he looked good. Dhanda has barely played in an advanced position. Salazar is a Columbian international but played 1 game however Penrice has impressed. Rowles has been in and out. Halkett’s little game time has ranged from awful to impressive. Kingsley has played every position in a back 5 so god knows where he fits in. Devlin plays 2 games then dropped for 2 games. Vargas has been absolutely Judas’d and been deployed as the lone striker with absolutely zero support most games. Our 30 goal a season striker looks a Sunday league player but has yet to play upfront and we were told Musa was miles away from first team ready but looked a bright spark today. For me the only nailed on starters when fit are Gordon, Beni, Kent, Shankland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearts00 Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 (edited) 37 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: Clarke Taylor Kent Kingsley Penrice Mckay Boetang Beni Hoff Dhanda Shankland No place whatsoever for: Boyce Atkinson (think he is still with us) Rowles Vargas Forrest Oda A little harsh on Vargas and a joke that McKay is amywhere near the 11. He has become the proverbial wage thief. Edited September 14 by hearts00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 McKay? Absolutely no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott980612 Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 Think this is the problem. Naismith doesn’t know his best 11. Fans clearly don’t either . it will divide opinion in the stands , in the pub or on a forum. All players are shot off confidence right now , even our “ best “ players only winning will help that but right now I woudn’t back us to beat Berwick Rangers There’s a decent squad of players there , its getting the best out of them individually and as a team , and playing in a consistent system that seems to be the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 Easy question. Pick 11, hang your hat on them and stick with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirror Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 Clark started vs Rangers and was excellent last season where we recorded a record high number of clean sheets (I think). I'm not saying he's better than Gordon but you know the stats don't lie. Penrice - been steady but no where near Cochrane levels yet. Rowles - good and bad Kent - good and bad Kingsley - probably been out best defender so far Halkett - still finding fitness Taylor - good and bad Oyegoke - doesn't look ready for 1st team Beni - still finding fitness Grant - tries hard, doesn't stop running Devlin - see grant Spittal - played out of position? Boateng - started well and seems consistent McKay - is he injured or had a fall out with SN? Oda - lack of opertunities Forrest - see Oda Dhanda - played out of position? Vargas - runs himself into the ground, no end product Shankland - needs to stop coming deep Boyce - would struggle to get a game in a public park Musa - looks like a player but not enough chances A settled team would likely get results but the team and formation change each game. I don't think we or the coaching team know 😕 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleLafferty Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 Gordon Taylor Kent Halkett Kingsley Beni Boateng Vargas Shankland Salazar Musa Try that on Saturday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King prawn Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 I didn’t see what the rest are seeing with Musa. Moved more than Shankland did which isn’t saying much and missed a sitter. Need more minutes to judge him properly of course but i certainly don’t agree with the “looks a player” posts based on today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott980612 Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 I’d try. Gordon. Taylor. Kent. Kingsley. Penrice Beni Boateng Forrest Dhanda. Salazar Shankland Players to either step in - give a chance - stick with. Clarke ( not a bad GK, sometimes just isn’t commanding enough ) Vargas. ( never knock his effort , final product is raw more often than not) Devlin. ( never knock his effort , his gung ho approach is his game , but sometimes fails to do the simple thing and silly bookings can leave him vulnerable) Grant. ( decent footballer, don’t see it often enough though ). Hoff ( could rotate with Beni/boateng) Halkett ( purely as cover.. don’t see him as starter lasting a whole season) Rowles ( don’t really rate him , but can’t bin all our centre half’s) Pollock. ( needs a chance , from previous first team games, looks like he has potential) Wilson. ( got to give youth a chance) Tait ( got to give youth a chance) Spittal ( not really done it yet to be honest, but surely just can’t become a bad player) what’s his best position? Musa ( needs a chance ) had enough chances and can forget. Boyce ( past it - can’t run - youth should come before him now) McKay ( when the chips are down , not what we need , a talented player but 1 good game in about 6/7 games if your lucky .. injuries haven’t helped his time at hearts Oda. ( wind would knock him over , too lightweight for the style of football here , wasteful when given an opportunity). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Claws Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 8 minutes ago, King prawn said: I didn’t see what the rest are seeing with Musa. Moved more than Shankland did which isn’t saying much and missed a sitter. Need more minutes to judge him properly of course but i certainly don’t agree with the “looks a player” posts based on today wasn't a Wasn't a sitter, he was at full stretch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 1 hour ago, Leveins Battalion said: Our best 11 started v Rangers and has been absent since. Best available then but Nieuwenhof had a good season last year and Beni a good midfielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 13 minutes ago, King prawn said: I didn’t see what the rest are seeing with Musa. Moved more than Shankland did which isn’t saying much and missed a sitter. Need more minutes to judge him properly of course but i certainly don’t agree with the “looks a player” posts based on today Everything you e said is right but hr as up against Carter-Vickers. For me Musa looked quite quick and sharp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874Jambo Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 The first thing that has to be done is take the captaincy off shankland and give it to a real leader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveofthegame Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 You can’t be taken seriously if your best hearts xi has Clark in ahead of Gordon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amadjambo Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 Take the team that started against Rangers and swap in a fully fit Beni for Grant, Boateng for Devlin, and a fully fit Halkett for Rowles and we’d do alright. Lack of pace in the team and goals outside of Shankland would be a big worry though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr fox Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 3 hours ago, i8hibsh said: Clarke Taylor Kent Kingsley Penrice Mckay Boetang Beni Hoff Dhanda Shankland No place whatsoever for: Boyce Atkinson (think he is still with us) Rowles Vargas Forrest Oda 433 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 A who's who, 1,2,3 & 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR INCREDIBLE Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 1 hour ago, 1874Jambo said: The first thing that has to be done is take the captaincy off shankland and give it to a real leader Absolutely… The very fact that he has not stripped him of the captaincy is in itself a sackable offence! When Naismith was playing he was never out of the referee’s ear but he sits and watches Shankland not giving a toss 🇱🇻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 1 hour ago, 1874Jambo said: The first thing that has to be done is take the captaincy off shankland and give it to a real leader Attitude is really poor. He's been well off it so far this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon simpson Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 12 hours ago, MyWay said: Just shows how opinions can differ as for me, having McKay anywhere near our starting 11 is utter nightmare fuel. Bags of ability but his lack of heart makes him a man short when the chips are down. this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolkeith Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 13 hours ago, i8hibsh said: Clarke Taylor Kent Kingsley Penrice Mckay Boetang Beni Hoff Dhanda Shankland No place whatsoever for: Boyce Atkinson (think he is still with us) Rowles Vargas Forrest Oda Agree with this pretty much. I still think Forrest has something to offer given Mckays record of injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr fox Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 We need 2 wide midfielders with 2 full backs To me thats the main issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merseyjambo Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 (edited) Clark Taylor Kent Kingsley Penrice Boateng/Hoff (when fit) Beni Oda/Vargas Dhanda/Spittal McKay Shankland Subs Gordon Salazar Oda/Vargas Dhada/Spittal Tait Polock Wilson Musa Salazar No Place Rowles Devlin Boyce Edited September 15 by merseyjambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 (edited) 13 hours ago, Malinga the Swinga said: No thanks. Gordon instead of Clarke and McKay is nowhere near good either. Much prefer Vargas. Then again, you don't attend or support Hearts in any meaningful way. Vargas? How many games has he played for Hearts? Hes not getting any better. Ive seen enough of him. Edited September 15 by Pans Jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalry Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 Our problems are in the advanced forward area. Shankland is off it right now, Oda and Forrest are at best very average and nowhere near good enough for Hearts, McKay occasionally shows up against the bottom six at home and disappears for the rest, and Vargas is a few bad haircuts from being our Harry McKirdy! Why oh why have we not signed a good winger and striker is beyond me. Need at least one good loan deal asap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rods Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 Clark Taylor Kent Kingsley Penrice Beni Grant Boatang Dhanda Vargas Shankland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 15 hours ago, i8hibsh said: Clarke Taylor Kent Kingsley Penrice Mckay Boetang Beni Hoff Dhanda Shankland No place whatsoever for: Boyce Atkinson (think he is still with us) Rowles Vargas Forrest Oda What about Spittal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 (edited) 6 minutes ago, wavydavy said: What about Spittal? Think under a real management team he will improve. Defo in squad but not first XI for me. Edited September 15 by i8hibsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 1 hour ago, Dalry said: Our problems are in the advanced forward area. Shankland is off it right now, Oda and Forrest are at best very average and nowhere near good enough for Hearts, McKay occasionally shows up against the bottom six at home and disappears for the rest, and Vargas is a few bad haircuts from being our Harry McKirdy! Why oh why have we not signed a good winger and striker is beyond me. Need at least one good loan deal asap. Our problems are in our midfield area where they are totally devoid of creating any chances for our forward players. Naismith's continued tinkering with line-ups and shape certainly doesn't help. We have a number of new players so how can they be expected to get to understand each other when they are chopped and changed in and out of the team every week.? Naismith needs to focus on us and what he thinks is his best starting team and play that each game barring injuries. Once he has a settled team then he can start introducing some changes if needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 1 minute ago, i8hibsh said: Think under a real management team he will improve. Defo in squad but not first XI for me. You didn't mention him in your team or subs which is why I asked.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 1 hour ago, wavydavy said: You didn't mention him in your team or subs which is why I asked.. I never mentioned any subs, they were the GTF players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Leitch Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 15 hours ago, Scott980612 said: I’d try. Gordon. Taylor. Kent. Kingsley. Penrice Beni Boateng Forrest Dhanda. Salazar Shankland Players to either step in - give a chance - stick with. Clarke ( not a bad GK, sometimes just isn’t commanding enough ) Vargas. ( never knock his effort , final product is raw more often than not) Devlin. ( never knock his effort , his gung ho approach is his game , but sometimes fails to do the simple thing and silly bookings can leave him vulnerable) Grant. ( decent footballer, don’t see it often enough though ). Hoff ( could rotate with Beni/boateng) Halkett ( purely as cover.. don’t see him as starter lasting a whole season) Rowles ( don’t really rate him , but can’t bin all our centre half’s) Pollock. ( needs a chance , from previous first team games, looks like he has potential) Wilson. ( got to give youth a chance) Tait ( got to give youth a chance) Spittal ( not really done it yet to be honest, but surely just can’t become a bad player) what’s his best position? Musa ( needs a chance ) had enough chances and can forget. Boyce ( past it - can’t run - youth should come before him now) McKay ( when the chips are down , not what we need , a talented player but 1 good game in about 6/7 games if your lucky .. injuries haven’t helped his time at hearts Oda. ( wind would knock him over , too lightweight for the style of football here , wasteful when given an opportunity). Salazar is a left back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 If everyone was fit: Gordon Taylor Halkett Kent Kingsley Beni Hoff Spittal Dhanda McKay Shankland Would give the 3 behind Shankland a good bit of freedom to move about and swap positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mre Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 17 hours ago, i8hibsh said: Clarke Taylor Kent Kingsley Penrice Mckay Boetang Beni Hoff Dhanda Shankland No place whatsoever for: Boyce Atkinson (think he is still with us) Rowles Vargas Forrest Oda Are you Jimmy sandison 😀 It's "Boateng" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 1 hour ago, i8hibsh said: I never mentioned any subs, they were the GTF players. Ok however you never mentioned him at all and he is a first team squad player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 On 14/09/2024 at 21:36, KyleLafferty said: Gordon Taylor Kent Halkett Kingsley Beni Boateng Vargas Shankland Salazar Musa Try that on Saturday And if naisy tries it, he will get slaughtered for changing the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drumie jambo Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 Atkinson gone. Permanent move to Melbourne City Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Scenes Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 On 14/09/2024 at 20:32, Leveins Battalion said: Our best 11 started v Rangers and has been absent since. Nail on the bald head. why oh why oh why have we spent each game since trying to be smart with our selection and worrying about other teams rather than just putting our strongest team out to win. Stop worrying about the opposition and we might actually win games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boag1874 Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 At the minute I would consider dropping Shankland, he's not doing anything well at all right now & a bit of time on the bench might give him the kick up the arse he's needing to get his season going because right now something isn't right at all with him. The caveat is he'll need to play in Europe as Musa isn't registered & Boyce is so unbelievably past it it's painful. Clark Taylor Kent Halkett Penrice Beni Grant Vargas Dhanda Spittal Musa Spittal & Vargas cutting inside, Taylor & Penrice hitting the byline on the overlap, Beni protecting the CBs, Musa is a big lad & gives the option to go more direct, Dhanda & Grant pulling the strings in the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busbyfth Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 The whole squad comes in on a Friday and individually picks a tombola ball......1-11 starts at the weekend game etc etc. Tactics/formations/game plans are chosen by SN playing spin the wheel. (amazing how gaining a coaching badge - 1 step up from a Blue Peter one, makes a person think they are Albert Einstein and going to re-invent the wheel - EVERY GAME) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busbyfth Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 On 14/09/2024 at 20:37, i8hibsh said: Clarke Taylor Kent Kingsley Penrice Mckay Boetang Beni Hoff Dhanda Shankland No place whatsoever for: Boyce Atkinson (think he is still with us) Rowles Vargas Forrest Oda Atkinsons away back to Melbourne - I wish him all the best !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head The Brick Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 Gordon Taylor Kent Halkett Kingsley Beni Boateng Spittal Dhanda Vargas Shankland Bench Clark Rowles Salazar Penrice Oyegoke Devlin Grant Tait Pollock McKay Oda Wilson Musa *Nieuwenhof Would be in my starting eleven when fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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