Ulysses Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 Spotted this story this evening, and apologies if posted already. The KNVB is considering getting rid of offside at amateur level in the Netherlands because of the number of violent incidents arising from calls made by club members acting as assistant referees. Dutch considering getting rid of offside law (rte.ie) I've heard of occasional incidents like this here in Dublin. Is it an issue in Scotland? By the way, according to the story the number of games stopped in the Netherlands because of such violence is growing, but it's still only about 1 in every 400 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 9 minutes ago, Ulysses said: Spotted this story this evening, and apologies if posted already. The KNVB is considering getting rid of offside at amateur level in the Netherlands because of the number of violent incidents arising from calls made by club members acting as assistant referees. Dutch considering getting rid of offside law (rte.ie) I've heard of occasional incidents like this here in Dublin. Is it an issue in Scotland? By the way, according to the story the number of games stopped in the Netherlands because of such violence is growing, but it's still only about 1 in every 400 games. It has been known to happen over here. Even in the pro game!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Miekelson Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 I was reffing a Sunday league game when a guy running the line had the flag taken from him by a random guy who threw it over a garden wall in disgust at one of his decisions. I told him to climb over the wall and get it back (he did) and made him stand by the corner flag and shut up. As he was attached to the visiting club I told him if he didn't shut up and stay in place I'd abandon the game and his team would get battered by the league. It helped that the guy he grabbed the flag from was a serving police sergeant as was the manager of the opposing team. But it was incidents like that that made me pack it in. Amatuer football is full of players and officials that should be nowhere near it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder and Lightning Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 2 hours ago, Chief Miekelson said: I was reffing a Sunday league game when a guy running the line had the flag taken from him by a random guy who threw it over a garden wall in disgust at one of his decisions. I told him to climb over the wall and get it back (he did) and made him stand by the corner flag and shut up. As he was attached to the visiting club I told him if he didn't shut up and stay in place I'd abandon the game and his team would get battered by the league. It helped that the guy he grabbed the flag from was a serving police sergeant as was the manager of the opposing team. But it was incidents like that that made me pack it in. Amatuer football is full of players and officials that should be nowhere near it. Nothing like abusing your power eh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 (edited) Surely, club officials only flag when the ball goes out, nothing more. I hunted a parent who thought it was up to to him decide offside. I explained the above to him, he got abusive. I sent him away from the park and wouldn't restart until he was away. I'm just a little Hitler who was bullied at school (yawn) Edited September 5 by Tommy Brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertDawg Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 I refereed schools in Japan some (long?) time ago and was almost accosted by a Dutch coach after several offside calls on his team. In these days, forwards IN LINE with defenders were offside. To give the guy credit, at the next game with his team, he came over to me before the K.O. and apologised for his previous behaviour and explained that he'd re-read the rules of the game at the time. The next season, there was no Japanese offside rule in schools' games under 14 years old. Very sensible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 5 hours ago, Ulysses said: Spotted this story this evening, and apologies if posted already. The KNVB is considering getting rid of offside at amateur level in the Netherlands because of the number of violent incidents arising from calls made by club members acting as assistant referees. Dutch considering getting rid of offside law (rte.ie) I've heard of occasional incidents like this here in Dublin. Is it an issue in Scotland? By the way, according to the story the number of games stopped in the Netherlands because of such violence is growing, but it's still only about 1 in every 400 games. I watch my son play . There are some real idiots out there and anyone assaulting folk at these games need charged in an aggravated way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenold Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 (edited) Offside really is one of the annoying things in football, with the exception of ones where someone is extremely far offside. Edited September 6 by darrenold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 6 hours ago, darrenold said: Offside really is one of the annoying things in football, with the exception of ones where someone is extremely far offside. How far? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 2 minutes ago, davemclaren said: How far? Extremely far ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 11 hours ago, Thunder and Lightning said: Nothing like abusing your power eh. Probably wanted to be a school teacher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Panzee Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 30 minutes ago, Dazo said: Extremely far ? and further than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Panzee Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 33 minutes ago, davemclaren said: How far? and you can stop posting for a start. Get back to adminnining and nothing else young man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 3 minutes ago, Jim Panzee said: and you can stop posting for a start. Get back to adminnining and nothing else young man! 😳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenold Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 4 hours ago, davemclaren said: How far? Someone having a picnic on the penalty spot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 19 hours ago, Ulysses said: Spotted this story this evening, and apologies if posted already. The KNVB is considering getting rid of offside at amateur level in the Netherlands because of the number of violent incidents arising from calls made by club members acting as assistant referees. Dutch considering getting rid of offside law (rte.ie) I've heard of occasional incidents like this here in Dublin. Is it an issue in Scotland? By the way, according to the story the number of games stopped in the Netherlands because of such violence is growing, but it's still only about 1 in every 400 games. Changing the rules because people can’t behave themselves isn’t for me. I’d rather we just dealt with such people more aggressively including lifetime bans and criminal prosecution. I’m not a huge fan of refs but really do appreciate we’re ****ed without them, regardless of level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Berry Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 Referees give offside in Scotland, not the club linesman who is only there to put the flag up when the ball goes out of play, even then sometimes the ref gives the decision if they're placed to make the call. Basically games upto tier 6 (West and East of Scotland Premier level), have neutral linesmen, below that it's almost always club linesmen. Not enough officials to go round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 I'd have all parents away from kids' games. Two coaches, max. One of whom stays silent and the other forced to leave the area the first time he/she says anything to the ref other than 'Thanks for the game, mate.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddysBar Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 1 hour ago, Ally said: I'd have all parents away from kids' games. Two coaches, max. One of whom stays silent and the other forced to leave the area the first time he/she says anything to the ref other than 'Thanks for the game, mate.' The youngsters love it when parents are there to support them. 99.9% of them do exactly that with no issues but you want the lot banned from watching because of a few arseholes? I’ve been coaching and watching my son from age 7 or 8 (14 now) and I can remember one or two coaches being a bit daft but not one incident of a parent losing it. Kids football is generally a really positive experience for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 12 minutes ago, PaddysBar said: The youngsters love it when parents are there to support them. 99.9% of them do exactly that with no issues but you want the lot banned from watching because of a few arseholes? I’ve been coaching and watching my son from age 7 or 8 (14 now) and I can remember one or two coaches being a bit daft but not one incident of a parent losing it. Kids football is generally a really positive experience for them. I just don't like people in general. I'd ban them from everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenold Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 2 hours ago, Dazo said: Changing the rules because people can’t behave themselves isn’t for me. I’d rather we just dealt with such people more aggressively including lifetime bans and criminal prosecution. I’m not a huge fan of refs but really do appreciate we’re ****ed without them, regardless of level. It's people's behaviour that make things like rule changes happen in the first place but. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddysBar Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 4 hours ago, Ally said: I just don't like people in general. I'd ban them from everywhere. 😀 Fair point mate. I’m still at the stage I quite like people, apart from when they’re in the supermarket or driving 😡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmaroon Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 (edited) On 05/09/2024 at 18:09, Chief Miekelson said: I was reffing a Sunday league game when a guy running the line had the flag taken from him by a random guy who threw it over a garden wall in disgust at one of his decisions. I told him to climb over the wall and get it back (he did) and made him stand by the corner flag and shut up. As he was attached to the visiting club I told him if he didn't shut up and stay in place I'd abandon the game and his team would get battered by the league. It helped that the guy he grabbed the flag from was a serving police sergeant as was the manager of the opposing team. But it was incidents like that that made me pack it in. Amatuer football is full of players and officials that should be nowhere near it. Plus les choses changent, plus elles restent les mêmes, which is a long way of saying, "plus ca change plus c'est la meme chose." After all that high brow stuff, I have just one word (1970's) - - Easterhouse. It was that bad our centrehalf refused to play until he was drunk. Edited September 6 by colinmaroon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WheatfieldWarrior Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 3 hours ago, colinmaroon said: After all that high brow stuff, I have just one word (1970's) - - Easterhouse. It was that bad our centrehalf refused to play until he was drunk. I play my best pool after a pint so maybe it's the same for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pap Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 On 06/09/2024 at 08:00, davemclaren said: How far? Mike Galloway & Walter Kidd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 On 06/09/2024 at 08:00, davemclaren said: How far? Different postcode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William H. Bonney Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 2 hours ago, Victorian said: Different postcode. So a bit like Juanma used to be then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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