*** Official Viktoria Plzen v Heart of Midlothian Match Thread - 1st Leg, KO 6pm BST

[John Findlay]

16 hours ago, martoon said:

 

Exactly.

 

The entire "first team in Europe" thing is a mere footnote in the history of Scottish football.

 

If that.

 

Look at the fuss they make over it, though.

 

Tinpot, indeed.

They finished 5th in the league. Aberdeen were champions.

Their chairman was head honcho at the SFA at the time.

The Swedish team they played, Djurdenans(excuse the spelling), played their home leg at St Johnstone's old Muirton Park I believe. So they didn't exactly travel far for that one😉

[Chuck Berry]

27 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

They finished 5th in the league. Aberdeen were champions.

Their chairman was head honcho at the SFA at the time.

The Swedish team they played, Djurdenans(excuse the spelling), played their home leg at St Johnstone's old Muirton Park I believe. So they didn't exactly travel far for that one😉

 

Djurgårdens played their home leg at Firhill due to the weather in Stockholm.

[John Findlay]

8 minutes ago, Chuck Berry said:

 

Djurgårdens played their home leg at Firhill due to the weather in Stockholm.

I knew they never played it in Sweden.

[4marsbars]

Meanwhile, what were Hearts up to in 1956? While Hibs won two ties against teams few can name, we won the big cup.

[Bunny Munro]

11 hours ago, Watt-Zeefuik said:

yes
 

I disagree, but it’s also in a measure in our own hands. The conference league means that the rest of Scotland’s European contingent needs to start bringing in more coefficient points. We got 4 two years ago, Aberdeen got 5, we need to aim for 6. McInnes has done okay in Europe in the past and any points from Killie would be gravy. 
 

Scotland is hurting because of a couple of absolutely terrible years by the OF but also no other teams are helping prop it up. We need to change that next season for our own good.

 

I, like most imagine, get most of my info from the Scottish Coefficient account on twitter.

 

Where do these numbers come from? They don't tally with anything I've seen anywhere else?

[Watt-Zeefuik]

Double post

 

Edited April 16 by Watt-Zeefuik

[Watt-Zeefuik]

51 minutes ago, Bunny Munro said:

 

I, like most imagine, get most of my info from the Scottish Coefficient account on twitter.

 

Where do these numbers come from? They don't tally with anything I've seen anywhere else?

 

https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/club/#/yr/2024

 

 

I may have just stated it clumsily. But the coefficients are on UEFA's website.

[Bunny Munro]

9 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said:

 

https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/club/#/yr/2024

 

 

I may have just stated it clumsily. But the coefficients are on UEFA's website.

Thanks for the link.

[kingantti1874]

47 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said:

 

https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/club/#/yr/2024

 

 

I may have just stated it clumsily. But the coefficients are on UEFA's website.

target need to be 5000 points this season.  Overtake the sheep. Am I right in saying the 2000 points they have form 19/20 will drop off as well? 

[Watt-Zeefuik]

14 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

target need to be 5000 points this season.  Overtake the sheep. Am I right in saying the 2000 points they have form 19/20 will drop off as well? 

 

It's 5.0 and 2.0, not 5,000 and 2,000, but yes. And aside from bragging rights the order isn't that important, but for our own interest we're being propped up by the 7.2 national average when we go to Europe. If we get above that, we start getting the prospect of better seeding in future years.

 

Many reasons entirely down to self-interest why we want to be getting 5-7 points in Europe every season. Yes it also helps all other Scottish teams, but not as much as it helps us.

[kingantti1874]

26 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said:

 

It's 5.0 and 2.0, not 5,000 and 2,000, but yes. And aside from bragging rights the order isn't that important, but for our own interest we're being propped up by the 7.2 national average when we go to Europe. If we get above that, we start getting the prospect of better seeding in future years.

 

Many reasons entirely down to self-interest why we want to be getting 5-7 points in Europe every season. Yes it also helps all other Scottish teams, but not as much as it helps us.

👍🏻 why the hell 3 decimal places.  🤣

[Watt-Zeefuik]

2 hours ago, kingantti1874 said:

👍🏻 why the hell 3 decimal places.  🤣

 

Do not question the ways of UEFA. That way only lies madness and woe. 😱

[Mikey1874]

The update. As well as us 5th place in league qualifies.

 

 

[DB-14]

Current projected pots for UECL. Always nice to look at. 

[Jambo dans les Pyrenees]

4 minutes ago, DB-14 said:

Current projected pots for UECL. Always nice to look at. 

 

Glamour group:

 

Marseille

Newcastle

Besiktas

Brann

Jagiellonia

 

Realistic do well group

 

Slovan Bratislava

Royal Antwerp

HJK Helsinki

Banja Luka

Reykjavik

 

[Mikey1874]

 

[Frank Sidebottom]

1 minute ago, Jambo dans les Pyrenees said:

 

Glamour group:

 

Marseille

Newcastle

Besiktas

Brann

Jagiellonia

 

Realistic do well group

 

Slovan Bratislava

Royal Antwerp

HJK Helsinki

Banja Luka

Reykjavik

 

Newcastle away would be a bit of a let down I think in terms of a trip. 
 

I’m looking for sunshine pints on the continent and Valencia would tick that box. Augsburg would also be tremendous for Bavarian lager. 
 

Would also swap Brann for Brondby and Bestikas for Vienna 

[The Real Maroonblood]

Just now, Frank Sidebottom said:

 

Newcastle away would be a bit of a let down I think in terms of a trip. 
 

I’m looking for sunshine pints on the continent and Valencia would tick that box. Augsburg would also be tremendous for Bavarian lager. 
 

Would also swap Brann for Brondby and Bestikas for Vienna 

Bring it on.

[Daveandal]

15 minutes ago, DB-14 said:

Current projected pots for UECL. Always nice to look at. 

 

Away in Minsk in December.... that's for the hard-core on many levels.

 

It's a massive if... but staying in the 4th pot would really help us I'm terms of potential qualifying.

[kelosom]

1 hour ago, Frank Sidebottom said:

 

Newcastle away would be a bit of a let down I think in terms of a trip. 
 

I’m looking for sunshine pints on the continent and Valencia would tick that box. Augsburg would also be tremendous for Bavarian lager. 
 

Would also swap Brann for Brondby and Bestikas for Vienna 

This is exactly where I’m at, beer, sun, football and hopefully take in a great city. Another like Florence will do me.

[alicante jambo]

1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said:

The update. As well as us 5th place in league qualifies.

 

 

5 million  plus ya fecker bring it on.

[Victorian]

1 hour ago, Jambo dans les Pyrenees said:

 

Glamour group:

 

Marseille

Newcastle

Besiktas

Brann

Jagiellonia

 

Realistic do well group

 

Slovan Bratislava

Royal Antwerp

HJK Helsinki

Banja Luka

Reykjavik

 

 

There are no groups.  We get an opponent from all 6 pots and all 36 teams occupy one 36 team table.  

Edited April 20 by Victorian

[Victorian]

Surprisingly modest pool of 36.  If we finish in the top 24 of 36 then we progress to knock-out stage.  We can absolutely do that from those teams.

[south morocco]

13 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

There are no groups.  We get an opponent from all 6 pots and all 36 teams occupy one 36 team table.  

Do we only play an opponent once and not home and away?

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, south morocco said:

Do we only play an opponent once and not home and away?

 

Yes.  3 home,  3 away.  1 from each pot,  including the one we're in.  

[south morocco]

2 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Yes.  3 home,  3 away.  1 from each pot,  including the one we're in.  

Cheers. Pretty random then. Wonder how home and away fixtures are drawn. 

[FionaHmfc]

Aiming higher if we win the playoff leg here’s the projected Europa league pots as they stand too. Some cracking trips and teams we could face in either competition 

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, south morocco said:

Cheers. Pretty random then. Wonder how home and away fixtures are drawn. 

 

I think there is methodology to it.  Probably based on rankings / coefficient points.

[Jambo61]

1 hour ago, Jambo dans les Pyrenees said:

 

Glamour group:

 

Marseille

Newcastle

Besiktas

Brann

Jagiellonia

 

Realistic do well group

 

Slovan Bratislava

Royal Antwerp

HJK Helsinki

Banja Luka

Reykjavik

 

Bratislava would be a great destination......lovely bear on the menu!

[1971fozzy]

2 hours ago, Frank Sidebottom said:

 

Newcastle away would be a bit of a let down I think in terms of a trip. 
 

I’m looking for sunshine pints on the continent and Valencia would tick that box. Augsburg would also be tremendous for Bavarian lager. 
 

Would also swap Brann for Brondby and Bestikas for Vienna 

I want sunny sunshine too. Fek going to the rain

[Cameronstheman]

So thats us in Europe bar the shouting,will killie have to win all there games and we have to lose all our games for the worst case scenario or are we through right now ??

[Mikey1874]

13 minutes ago, Cameronstheman said:

So thats us in Europe bar the shouting,will killie have to win all there games and we have to lose all our games for the worst case scenario or are we through right now ??

 

Beat Kilmarnock next week and it's done.

[davemclaren]

39 minutes ago, 1971fozzy said:

I want sunny sunshine too. Fek going to the rain

Yip, I enjoyed the trips to London and Liverpool but it didn't really feel like Europe. It needs shorts and cafe culture  😄 

[Bender]

37 minutes ago, Cameronstheman said:

So thats us in Europe bar the shouting,will killie have to win all there games and we have to lose all our games for the worst case scenario or are we through right now ??

 

11 points ahead with 15 left to play for. One win should realistically do it.

[Fxxx the SPFL]

4 minutes ago, Bender said:

 

11 points ahead with 15 left to play for. One win should realistically do it.

Can’t see Killie winning four games 

[EH11 2NL]

Great couple of seasons. Europe 3 times on the trot, 3rd, 4th, 3rd. And with a few smart signings who'd bet against us again next season 🇱🇻🇱🇻

[The Hogfather]

3 hours ago, DB-14 said:

Current projected pots for UECL. Always nice to look at. 

 

Some of those potential away days would be unbelievable.

 

Marseille, Augsburg and Vienna would be ideal.

[zeke1874]

European qualification should really be the absolute minimum for our club. As much as it's great that we've qualified for the 3rd year in a row, it really highlights how much we've underperformed over the years, that it's the first time we achieved this. Every year we play in Europe we slowly chip away at enhancing our standing and reputation. Success builds success and hopefully this is the start of us cementing our place as a club that has euro football every season, like the old firm do. It's also great for the supporters 🙂 

[Ruebenstine Goldberg]

Looking at all those other clubs there’s only one majestic club badge.

The Heart of Midlothian 

[rory78]

5 hours ago, Jambo dans les Pyrenees said:

 

Glamour group:

 

Marseille

Newcastle

Besiktas

Brann

Jagiellonia

 

Realistic do well group

 

Slovan Bratislava

Royal Antwerp

HJK Helsinki

Banja Luka

Reykjavik

 

I'd suggest this is the first time ever in Jagiellonias history they've been described as a glamour tie 

[JimmyCant]

3 hours ago, Victorian said:

 

There are no groups.  We get an opponent from all 6 pots and all 36 teams occupy one 36 team table.  

Do the opponents we get drawn against also play against each other ?

[Jamboross]

LASK

Antwerp
Helsinki
The New Saints

Batumi

Reykjavik

 

Would give us some very winnable fixtures, an excellent chance of progressing and some interesting places to visit for our three away days (although I'd rather avoid an away trip to TNS!)

[Ministryofdad]

No one will 100% know exactly until it's all said and done 

[Jamboross]

3 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

Do the opponents we get drawn against also play against each other ?

 

Nah, everyone gets their own set of fixtures with one team from each pot including their own. So, for example, we could draw TNS from our pot and LASK could draw Marseille from theirs but LASK couldn't play both us and TNS as that would be two teams from Pot 4 and we couldn't play both LASK and Marseille as that's two from Pot 1.   

 

It seems a faff but it's pretty simple when you get the old 'group stage' concept out your head. 

[JimmyCant]

23 minutes ago, Jamboross said:

 

Nah, everyone gets their own set of fixtures with one team from each pot including their own. So, for example, we could draw TNS from our pot and LASK could draw Marseille from theirs but LASK couldn't play both us and TNS as that would be two teams from Pot 4 and we couldn't play both LASK and Marseille as that's two from Pot 1.   

 

It seems a faff but it's pretty simple when you get the old 'group stage' concept out your head. 

Sounds a very complex draw to ensure everyone has just one team from each pot but I’m sure I’ll get my head round it eventually 

[Texaco]

4 hours ago, zeke1874 said:

European qualification should really be the absolute minimum for our club. As much as it's great that we've qualified for the 3rd year in a row, it really highlights how much we've underperformed over the years, that it's the first time we achieved this. Every year we play in Europe we slowly chip away at enhancing our standing and reputation. Success builds success and hopefully this is the start of us cementing our place as a club that has euro football every season, like the old firm do. It's also great for the supporters 🙂 

Agree.  But it becomes really annoying that winning the Scottish Cup gets you the more lucrative third euro spot. Means in reality we have to win the cup or hope one of the OF does. Of course  splitting the OF or winning the league would solve everything..if only.. 

[RENE]

18 minutes ago, Texaco said:

Agree.  But it becomes really annoying that winning the Scottish Cup gets you the more lucrative third euro spot. Means in reality we have to win the cup or hope one of the OF does. Of course  splitting the OF or winning the league would solve everything..if only.. 

Agree.  If some team, either us or any other team, is consistently third for 3/4 years and some team other than the RanTic win the Cup, the team finishing third will miss out on Euro big money.   It's totally unfair that a team winning five games gets into a bigger Euro tourney.

[colinmaroon]

8 hours ago, Daveandal said:

 

Away in Minsk in December.... that's for the hard-core on many levels.

 

It's a massive if... but staying in the 4th pot would really help us I'm terms of potential qualifying.

If we do, hope it's Portugal rather another Greek team.

 

[Jambo dans les Pyrenees]

8 hours ago, rory78 said:

I'd suggest this is the first time ever in Jagiellonias history they've been described as a glamour tie 

Glamour does admittedly get a bit Miss West Lothian in pot 6…

[Selkirkhmfc1874]

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