johnking123 Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 3 minutes ago, Carter said: I'd be very surprised if Naismith sees Cammy Devlin in his strongest Hearts 11. Probably not. But is a great player to come of the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 40 minutes ago, Diadora Van Basten said: We have already signed three players and have a large squad. Not really Haring away Halliday away Dexter away Beni away as it stands Shankland likley away Cochrane away- Penrice replacing? Halkett fitness unreliable, Boyce playing a lesser role as well. Imo Tagawa will also leave. It's gonna be busier than folk think and Naismith can really stamp his style on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedBoy Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 Next Saturday night after the Rangers game I want a vlad style 5 player reveal or GTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 1 hour ago, Carter said: I'd be very surprised if Naismith sees Cammy Devlin in his strongest Hearts 11. I’d be very surprised if Steven Naismith recognised a first 11. We have a squad who will be rotated in line with the opposition we are playing. i don’t think there is a such a thing in a strongest 11 these days however as it stands, with beni seemingly on the way out I’m pretty sure he is in the top 11 he very very clearly has been our best player the last few games and we’ve very clearly gotten worse every times he’s come off the pitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agentjambo Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 Corey Addai 🧤 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19/05/2012 Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 2 minutes ago, Agentjambo said: Corey Addai 🧤 Hopefully not he was awful against us in Pre season game looked like a outfield player in goal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agentjambo Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 2 minutes ago, 19/05/2012 said: Hopefully not he was awful against us in Pre season game looked like a outfield player in goal Football is evolving all the time…keepers are used as part of the back 3 or 4 now…playing out comfortably from the back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19/05/2012 Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 27 minutes ago, Agentjambo said: Football is evolving all the time…keepers are used as part of the back 3 or 4 now…playing out comfortably from the back. doesn’t apply if he can’t save shots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agentjambo Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 2 minutes ago, 19/05/2012 said: doesn’t apply if he can’t save shots Pretty decent stats…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisburnjambo Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 The NI market has some very good young players. Wouldn’t cost a fortune either I’d assume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 1 hour ago, lisburnjambo said: The NI market has some very good young players. Wouldn’t cost a fortune either I’d assume. I've no idea how old they are but the Hale brothers were excellent in the Irish Cup Final on Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Scenes Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 4 hours ago, RustyRightPeg said: What’s wrong with that? Also, didn’t he score a winner about a day after he signed against rangers? Thats making an impact right away. I did say nothing wrong with that 😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batistuta87 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Scott Fraser in the EEN saying he's been carrying an injury all season and hasn't shown what he can do. Article mentions a possible 2nd loan next season. Apparently our Recruitment / Management team have been "admirers" for a while and that he's been a long term target. Fair to say we haven't seen much from him but do we give him another chance on the basis that he does have more to offer, or do we move on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshed Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 2 minutes ago, Batistuta87 said: Scott Fraser in the EEN saying he's been carrying an injury all season and hasn't shown what he can do. Article mentions a possible 2nd loan next season. Apparently our Recruitment / Management team have been "admirers" for a while and that he's been a long term target. Fair to say we haven't seen much from him but do we give him another chance on the basis that he does have more to offer, or do we move on? Injury or not he’s done nothing to justify keeping him on. Must be better than him out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 13 minutes ago, Batistuta87 said: Scott Fraser in the EEN saying he's been carrying an injury all season and hasn't shown what he can do. Article mentions a possible 2nd loan next season. Apparently our Recruitment / Management team have been "admirers" for a while and that he's been a long term target. Fair to say we haven't seen much from him but do we give him another chance on the basis that he does have more to offer, or do we move on? Low risk and I have seen glimpses, he likes to take the ball in tight areas and he's forward thinking. He's not played much, but another loan is low risk so nothing to lose and all to gain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 12 hours ago, Bender said: I've no idea how old they are but the Hale brothers were excellent in the Irish Cup Final on Saturday. Aye, and they had decent "Pace"...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 15 hours ago, kingantti1874 said: I’d be very surprised if Steven Naismith recognised a first 11. We have a squad who will be rotated in line with the opposition we are playing. i don’t think there is a such a thing in a strongest 11 these days however as it stands, with beni seemingly on the way out I’m pretty sure he is in the top 11 he very very clearly has been our best player the last few games and we’ve very clearly gotten worse every times he’s come off the pitch Agreed. It's a first 16- 18 now, then your floaters and spares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnking123 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Batistuta87 said: Scott Fraser in the EEN saying he's been carrying an injury all season and hasn't shown what he can do. Article mentions a possible 2nd loan next season. Apparently our Recruitment / Management team have been "admirers" for a while and that he's been a long term target. Fair to say we haven't seen much from him but do we give him another chance on the basis that he does have more to offer, or do we move on? No, seen nothing that would improve us. Made grant look good though. Edited May 8 by johnking123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sac Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 12 minutes ago, theshed said: Injury or not he’s done nothing to justify keeping him on. Must be better than him out there Agree with what you say, So what is this mystery injury? Don’t think the management would risk playing someone not 100% fit, especially during the run in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 18 minutes ago, Batistuta87 said: Scott Fraser in the EEN saying he's been carrying an injury all season and hasn't shown what he can do. Article mentions a possible 2nd loan next season. Apparently our Recruitment / Management team have been "admirers" for a while and that he's been a long term target. Fair to say we haven't seen much from him but do we give him another chance on the basis that he does have more to offer, or do we move on? I'd keep him, but only if it's another loan. I know his contracts up at the end of next season. - either that or Charlton rip up his deal and we get him for nothing. Certainly wouldn't pay anything for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Just now, sac said: Agree with what you say, So what is this mystery injury? Don’t think the management would risk playing someone not 100% fit, especially during the run in. It's a calf injury he's been carrying. Says the last 2 weeks are the best he's felt all season. Wouldn't shock me to see him start on Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimp Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Just now, RustyRightPeg said: I'd keep him, but only if it's another loan. I know his contracts up at the end of next season. - either that or Charlton rip up his deal and we get him for nothing. Certainly wouldn't pay anything for him. Based on what? Surely nothing to do with his performances here. If you've seen a fair bit of him previously fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Just now, Chimp said: Based on what? Surely nothing to do with his performances here. If you've seen a fair bit of him previously fair enough. Not based on what I've seen since January no. Seen plenty of him prior. I did think something was off in fairness, calf injury explains that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimp Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Just now, RustyRightPeg said: Not based on what I've seen since January no. Seen plenty of him prior. I did think something was off in fairness, calf injury explains that. What is he really good at? his main strengths. So far I've literally seen zilch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boag1874 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 24 minutes ago, Batistuta87 said: Scott Fraser in the EEN saying he's been carrying an injury all season and hasn't shown what he can do. Article mentions a possible 2nd loan next season. Apparently our Recruitment / Management team have been "admirers" for a while and that he's been a long term target. Fair to say we haven't seen much from him but do we give him another chance on the basis that he does have more to offer, or do we move on? Depends what he does in the next 3 games. As it stands though he hasn't done enough & the last thing we need is another player with injury problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batistuta87 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 14 minutes ago, theshed said: Injury or not he’s done nothing to justify keeping him on. Must be better than him out there 4 minutes ago, Bazzas right boot said: Low risk and I have seen glimpses, he likes to take the ball in tight areas and he's forward thinking. He's not played much, but another loan is low risk so nothing to lose and all to gain. Just now, johnking123 said: No, seen nothing that would improve us. Made grant look very though. 2 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: I'd keep him, but only if it's another loan. I know his contracts up at the end of next season. - either that or Charlton rip up his deal and we get him for nothing. Certainly wouldn't pay anything for him. I'm struggling to see where he fits into the team next season if I'm honest and considering we'll need some versatile players next season to fill the Euro squad and to keep us strong enough domestically whilst going through the Euros - and I don't think he fits that bill. No chance I'd be paying a fee so would need to be a loan which yes is lower risk, but with Dhanda and Spittal arriving, and with Grant and Tait already here and all four of them (+ Fraser = 5) potentially competing for a position we don't always play (an 8 / 10), I don't think he really gets a game unless he's significantly better than he's been. We're not exactly overloaded with wingers so I'd rather send him back, bring Dhanda and Spittal in with Grant and Tait as backup, and give his place to someone who could play R/L/CM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munro9 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 36 minutes ago, Batistuta87 said: Scott Fraser in the EEN saying he's been carrying an injury all season and hasn't shown what he can do. Article mentions a possible 2nd loan next season. Apparently our Recruitment / Management team have been "admirers" for a while and that he's been a long term target. Fair to say we haven't seen much from him but do we give him another chance on the basis that he does have more to offer, or do we move on? Why did we take a player on loan who has a long term injury? An agreement that the loan could be extended or we’d have the option to buy? seems strange! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Cosgrove looked a real handful for Barnsley. Knows the league, scored regularly in it and would be a decent option as part of 4 strikers, we arent replacing Shankland like for like unless we get the high profile loan route Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosanostra Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Not for me. He's shown nothing worthwhile keeping. Rather give the young guys a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batistuta87 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 9 minutes ago, munro9 said: Why did we take a player on loan who has a long term injury? An agreement that the loan could be extended or we’d have the option to buy? seems strange! Think he's been fit enough but has maybe had it niggling. He played a run of games when he first arrived so must have been fit enough. Also think part of him coming here was to get some game time and to get up to full fitness and maybe earn a move next season. Hasn't quite worked out like that though for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 18 hours ago, RustyRightPeg said: Record reporting Gogic has signed a new deal at St Mirren but Strain and Baccus will both likely be leaving for free. Would take Strain in a heartbeat, but my guess is he'll have his eyes fixed down south. Baccus is a good player too, who I like, not sure we need him though. If we sign for midfield, we really need to aim to up a level and I'm not sure he does that. I'd have Cam or Newy above him, even if only slightly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 33 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: I'd keep him, but only if it's another loan. I know his contracts up at the end of next season. - either that or Charlton rip up his deal and we get him for nothing. Certainly wouldn't pay anything for him. Hmm interesting. I mean I wouldn't be keeping him, not sure who would from our fanbase (apart from you!), but then we don't see the guy every day. I always say we have to bow to the management team especially on a loan conversion cos they've had the guy in for an extended trial essentially. If they like what they've seen, even with the caveat of an injury, then we all cool. He's certainly done nowt on the park to deserve a contract. But then if he gets clear of injury, has (the clichéd!) preseason under his belt with the squad, then we could have a good'un already in the building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 16 hours ago, Bazzas right boot said: Not really Haring away Halliday away Dexter away Beni away as it stands Shankland likley away Cochrane away- Penrice replacing? Halkett fitness unreliable, Boyce playing a lesser role as well. Imo Tagawa will also leave. It's gonna be busier than folk think and Naismith can really stamp his style on the team. I'm of the same view. There's going to be a lot of activity I think. To avoid going backwards we're going to have to spend a fair few pennies. Looking forward to who comes in, could be exciting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 59 minutes ago, Batistuta87 said: Scott Fraser in the EEN saying he's been carrying an injury all season and hasn't shown what he can do. Article mentions a possible 2nd loan next season. Apparently our Recruitment / Management team have been "admirers" for a while and that he's been a long term target. Fair to say we haven't seen much from him but do we give him another chance on the basis that he does have more to offer, or do we move on? Some have criticised the contribution of Jorge Grant but it would be madness to bring in Scott Fraser when we have a better alternative already at the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Just now, Taffin said: I'm of the same view. There's going to be a lot of activity I think. To avoid going backwards we're going to have to spend a fair few pennies. Looking forward to who comes in, could be exciting. It's gonna be very exciting. I still think we're playing within ourselves. Once Naismith gets the players in, particularly midfield who can play the way he wants I think we go to the next level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 4 minutes ago, TheBigO said: Hmm interesting. I mean I wouldn't be keeping him, not sure who would from our fanbase (apart from you!), but then we don't see the guy every day. I always say we have to bow to the management team especially on a loan conversion cos they've had the guy in for an extended trial essentially. If they like what they've seen, even with the caveat of an injury, then we all cool. He's certainly done nowt on the park to deserve a contract. But then if he gets clear of injury, has (the clichéd!) preseason under his belt with the squad, then we could have a good'un already in the building. Controversial, and some might screw their nose up but I think a fully fit Fraser offers more than Grant does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sicknote Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Joel Pereira released by Reading, Could do a job? 😆 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cw940xrvd2po Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 1 minute ago, sicknote said: Joel Pereira released by Reading, Could do a job? 😆 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cw940xrvd2po I read that as they've triggered him for another year, fortunately for us and unfortunately for Reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batistuta87 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 1 minute ago, sicknote said: Joel Pereira released by Reading, Could do a job? 😆 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cw940xrvd2po Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimp Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 2 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: Controversial, and some might screw their nose up but I think a fully fit Fraser offers more than Grant does. What does he offer though? I'm genuinely curious as I haven't seen him at all before coming to us. If you've seen plenty of him what is it that he hasn't shown so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennyfragg13 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Heard hearts have come in with new offer to shankland 14k a week , it was on 5 live ,hearts supporting journalist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horatio Caine Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 3 minutes ago, sicknote said: Joel Pereira released by Reading, Could do a job? 😆 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cw940xrvd2po Hotel maybe looking for porters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batistuta87 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Horatio Caine said: Hotel maybe looking for porters? He'd drop everyone's bags. And his positioning was so poor that folk would be checking in to Tynecastle and he'd be sitting waiting on them at the Marriott in Glasgow. Edited May 8 by Batistuta87 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batistuta87 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Gogic has signed a new with St Mirren, for all the maddos who wanted Hearts to sign him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Just now, Batistuta87 said: Gogic has signed a new with St Mirren, for all the maddos who wanted Hearts to sign him. I was more concerned about McInnes getting his hands on him! Happy with that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 (edited) 8 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: It's gonna be very exciting. I still think we're playing within ourselves. Once Naismith gets the players in, particularly midfield who can play the way he wants I think we go to the next level. Yeh, I'm really looking forward to it. I didn't want Naismith, not because I didn't think he'd become good, but because I wanted an experienced manager who'd coached in Europe before. Naisy has a year under his belt now and (sort of) experience from Europe last year and doing the business. Whilst I'd love to keep those we look like losing I can't wait to see their replacements and see us being a bit more combative in Europe this year to hit the ground running 🎉🙌 Edited May 8 by Taffin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboross Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 If Fraser can show something in the next few games then I'd be open to him coming back on loan, thought he looked slightly better in the last couple of appearances although that's admittedly against a fairly low bar. If nothing else he provides cover and is another Scottish player for European squad requirements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horatio Caine Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Just now, Chimp said: What does he offer though? I'm genuinely curious as I haven't seen him at all before coming to us. If you've seen plenty of him what is it that he hasn't shown so far If, as the EEN article says, he's been carrying an injury, then he won't have been at his best; plus, maybe all his recent uncertainties at his parent club have unsettled him. Does no harm to give him another season of loan when he can settle in and get fully fit. Give the guy a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savage Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Fraser came with a decent pedigree and I think with a full or season with us he could be a useful addition next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimp Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 1 minute ago, Horatio Caine said: If, as the EEN article says, he's been carrying an injury, then he won't have been at his best; plus, maybe all his recent uncertainties at his parent club have unsettled him. Does no harm to give him another season of loan when he can settle in and get fully fit. Give the guy a chance. I'm not talking about what the EEN article says. I'm asking someone who has watched a lot of him previously to tell me what his strengths are and what he offers because I haven't seen anything yet. How is that not giving the guy a chance by asking a question about his qualities because he's not shown any so far at Hearts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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