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Following on from the other thread I thought it would be interesting to see how people rate our individual players as contracted to hearts at the moment in division rates I.e upper SPL, Lower SPL, Above SPL, 1st Div, 2nd Div , 3rd Div , Juniors etc etc

 

Current ability first, possible potential in brackets for the next few years

 

I have included all over age for u19 players and those apparently "promoted"

 

GK

Steve Banks - Lower SPL (Retirement)

Anthony Basso - Lower SPL (Lower SPL)

Jamie Macdonald - First division ( Lower SPL)

Harry Bjorrnson First Division ( SPL)

 

RB

Robbie Neilson - Upper SPL (Upper SPL)

Jason Thomson - First division ( Lower SPL)

Sean Kelly - 2nd Division (Unsure possibly SPL)

John Armstrong - Lower leagues (First Division)

Johnny Brown - 1st Division ( SPL)

 

LB

Lee Wallace - Upper SPL (Premiership)

Marco Pelosi - first division (first division)

Matty Park - first division (SPL)

 

CH

Berra - SPL - Premiership

Karapidis - SPL - SPL

Zaliuckas - Lower SPL - Upper SPL

Alan Lithgow - lower leagues (lower leagues)

David Armstrong - Lower Leagues (lower leagues)

McGowan - SPL - Premiership

Rapnik first division - (SPL/Premiership)

 

RW

Iva - lower leagues (lower SPL)

Doherty - lower leagues (SPL)

Miko - SPL -(upper SPL)

Chesney - SPL - (upper SPL)

Mackle- lower leagues - lower leagues

 

LW

Driver - SPL (Premiership)

Audrey - Lower SPL -(Eastern europe)

 

CM

Stewart - SPL - Lower SPL

Kingston - Premiership (premiership)

Ruben - SPL - SPL

Bruno - Lower SPL - ( upper origins of a more technical league)

Eggert - SPL- Top CL team

Husband - first div/lower SPL - Top SPL

Screpsis - first div- lower SPL

 

CF

Glen - SPL- Premiership

Elliot - Lower SPL- Upper SPL

Mole - Lower SPL - Upper SPL

Nade - SPL - SPL if can get fit

 

 

The one thing that is clear is that we have lots of potential, sadly it all seems to be wasted, for me this squad really cant do much at the moment though, we need a few quality players and quick

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Bert Le Clos

We have no players above SPL class.

 

Banks, Berra, Karapidis, Kingson, Palazuelos and Driver are upper SPL class.

 

Miko, Chesney and Nade on their day could be put in the same category.

 

Robbie, Zal, Wallace, Goncalves, Stewart, No. 28, Audrey, and Mole are lower SPL class.

 

Elliot is 1st division.

 

Glen and Johnsson look like they could be upper SPL class.

 

Besliga, Aguair, Screpis and Makela I haven't seen enough of to comment. Same goes for the reserves/U-19s.

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Bert Le Clos

Eggert - SPL- Top CL team

 

Steady. He looks like he has the potential to be a good player, but to say he has the potential to play for Man U or Barcelona is taking it waaay to far.

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Johanes de Silentio

S. Pressly - Doncaster Rovers

C. Elliot - Inverness Caley Thistle

F. Screpis - shafted

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Steady. He looks like he has the potential to be a good player, but to say he has the potential to play for Man U or Barcelona is taking it waaay to far.

 

 

Obviously my opinion but he could if he wanted, an absolutly class player in the making under the right manager

 

The worse thing is despite the averageness of our squad we pay upper championship/lower Premiership wages to far too many of them as opposed to wages based on there level

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Bert Le Clos
Obviously my opinion but he could if he wanted, an absolutly class player in the making under the right manager - Fair enough it's your opinion. I think he could be a class SPL player, maybe with the potential to play in the EPL for a Wigan or a Fulham. But I don't think he'll ever get near Essien, Gerrard or Xavi standard.

 

The worse thing is despite the averageness of our squad we pay upper championship/lower Premiership wages to far too many of them as opposed to wages based on there level - Agree with you completely on this. There's a frist time for everything!

 

;)

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4 players that could make premiership across, across the park.... thats quality. I'll Take that, not much to do it seems.

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Clerry Jambo
Robbie Neilson - Upper SPL (Upper SPL)

 

Got as far as here and didn't bother reading any further..........hahahahahahha

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lost in leith
We have no players above SPL class.

 

Banks, Berra, Karapidis, Kingson, Palazuelos and Driver are upper SPL class.

 

Miko, Chesney and Nade on their day could be put in the same category.

 

Robbie, Zal, Wallace, Goncalves, Stewart, No. 28, Audrey, and Mole are lower SPL class.

 

Elliot is 1st division.

 

Glen and Johnsson look like they could be upper SPL class.

 

Besliga, Aguair, Screpis and Makela I haven't seen enough of to comment. Same goes for the reserves/U-19s.

 

A different test would be to ask who you think might make the Scotland squad if they were Scottish.

 

I'd say Larry definitely, if he had his head straight (and I think that's a big if). He's a regular starter for Ghana, and I'd fancy Ghana to turn Scotland over in a competitive game. Nade on ability, but probably not on attitude unless he grows up. Berra maybe, on the basis that central defenders take time to mature. Driver if he could keep injury free and learn to make better decisions.

 

Jonsson might have the potential. Far too early to tell with Glen and a number of the other youngsters.

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Broxburn_Jambo
Following on from the other thread I thought it would be interesting to see how people rate our individual players as contracted to hearts at the moment in division rates I.e upper SPL, Lower SPL, Above SPL, 1st Div, 2nd Div , 3rd Div , Juniors etc etc

 

Current ability first, possible potential in brackets for the next few years

 

I have included all over age for u19 players and those apparently "promoted"

 

GK

Steve Banks - Lower SPL (Retirement)

Anthony Basso - Lower SPL (Lower SPL)

Jamie Macdonald - First division ( Lower SPL)

Harry Bjorrnson First Division ( SPL)

 

RB

Robbie Neilson - Upper SPL (Upper SPL)

Jason Thomson - First division ( Lower SPL)

Sean Kelly - 2nd Division (Unsure possibly SPL)

John Armstrong - Lower leagues (First Division)

Johnny Brown - 1st Division ( SPL)

 

LB

Lee Wallace - Upper SPL (Premiership)

Marco Pelosi - first division (first division)

Matty Park - first division (SPL)

 

CH

Berra - SPL - Premiership

Karapidis - SPL - SPL

Zaliuckas - Lower SPL - Upper SPL

Alan Lithgow - lower leagues (lower leagues)

David Armstrong - Lower Leagues (lower leagues)

McGowan - SPL - Premiership

Rapnik first division - (SPL/Premiership)

 

RW

Iva - lower leagues (lower SPL)

Doherty - lower leagues (SPL)

Miko - SPL -(upper SPL)

Chesney - SPL - (upper SPL)

Mackle- lower leagues - lower leagues

 

LW

Driver - SPL (Premiership)

Audrey - Lower SPL -(Eastern europe)

 

CM

Stewart - SPL - Lower SPL

Kingston - Premiership (premiership)

Ruben - SPL - SPL

Bruno - Lower SPL - ( upper origins of a more technical league)

Eggert - SPL- Top CL team

Husband - first div/lower SPL - Top SPL

Screpsis - first div- lower SPL

 

CF

Glen - SPL- Premiership

Elliot - Lower SPL- Upper SPL

Mole - Lower SPL - Upper SPL

Nade - SPL - SPL if can get fit

 

 

The one thing that is clear is that we have lots of potential, sadly it all seems to be wasted, for me this squad really cant do much at the moment though, we need a few quality players and quick

 

Jamie MacDonald got to the Scottish cup final and for me played well against the runners up of the SPL so not sure how he gets demoted to the first division, and Screpis has hardly played so on what basis is he a first division player, surely he deserves a chance?

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chester copperpot
Following on from the other thread I thought it would be interesting to see how people rate our individual players as contracted to hearts at the moment in division rates I.e upper SPL, Lower SPL, Above SPL, 1st Div, 2nd Div , 3rd Div , Juniors etc etc

 

Current ability first, possible potential in brackets for the next few years

 

I have included all over age for u19 players and those apparently "promoted"

 

GK

Steve Banks - Lower SPL (Retirement)

Anthony Basso - Lower SPL (Lower SPL)

Jamie Macdonald - First division ( Lower SPL)

Harry Bjorrnson First Division ( SPL)

 

RB

Robbie Neilson - Upper SPL (Upper SPL) - Lower SPL

Jason Thomson - First division ( Lower SPL)

Sean Kelly - 2nd Division (Unsure possibly SPL)

John Armstrong - Lower leagues (First Division)

Johnny Brown - 1st Division ( SPL)

 

LB

Lee Wallace - Upper SPL (Premiership) - Upper SPL

Marco Pelosi - first division (first division)

Matty Park - first division (SPL)

 

CH

Berra - SPL - Premiership - Championship

Karapidis - SPL - SPL

Zaliuckas - Lower SPL - Upper SPL - First division

Alan Lithgow - lower leagues (lower leagues)

David Armstrong - Lower Leagues (lower leagues)

McGowan - SPL - Premiership

Rapnik first division - (SPL/Premiership)

 

RW

Iva - lower leagues (lower SPL)

Doherty - lower leagues (SPL)

Miko - SPL -(upper SPL)

Chesney - SPL - (upper SPL)

Mackle- lower leagues - lower leagues

 

LW

Driver - SPL (Premiership)

Audrey - Lower SPL -(Eastern europe)

 

CM

Stewart - SPL - Lower SPL

Kingston - Premiership (premiership)

Ruben - SPL - SPL

Bruno - Lower SPL - ( upper origins of a more technical league)

Eggert - SPL- Top CL team

Husband - first div/lower SPL - Top SPL

Screpsis - first div- lower SPL - AWAY

Templeton - SPL - Prem

Visconte - SPL - CL ;)

CF

Glen - SPL- Premiership

Elliot - Lower SPL- Upper SPL Nope

Mole - Lower SPL - Upper SPL

Nade - SPL - SPL if can get fit

 

 

The one thing that is clear is that we have lots of potential, sadly it all seems to be wasted, for me this squad really cant do much at the moment though, we need a few quality players and quick

 

 

 

 

I actually think for once that's a fair assessment from P. Except the one's I've highlighted.

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Broxburn_Jambo
I actually think for once that's a fair assessment from P. Except the one's I've highlighted.

 

Is Screpis away?

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chester copperpot
He played a trial match tonight for another club.

 

 

 

I must admit I only knew that because you had posted it earlier.

 

Dont wanna steal your thunder and all that. :)

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chester copperpot
Thief.

 

 

 

I would hardly call giving you the credit a thief, but there you go. :P

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So the conclusion is : the are all pesh and should be shot!

 

 

 

 

 

down to another division?

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chester copperpot
So the conclusion is : the are all pesh and should be shot!

 

 

 

 

 

down to another division?

 

 

 

Read it again mate, far from it. I reckon you're a bit worse for wear?

 

No? ;)

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Broxburn_Jambo
He played a trial match tonight for another club.

 

For who?

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Seymour M Hersh

Prancer,

 

The fact you put Neilson as upper SPL now and next few years tells me all I need to know about your ability to spot a football player. Absolutely zero.

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Prancer, I take it you watch a lot of the reserve/u21 games? I'll have to admit I don't but my boss trains one of the youth teams at Riccarton and he's a huge fan of Johnny Brown. Certainly rated higher than 1st div though i realise this is just opinions.

 

Also, the couple of times I saw Screpis last season I was reasonably impressed. However, I realise that we saw so much dross that when someone raised their game just one notch we all wet ourselves!!

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The Old Tolbooth
Prancer,

 

The fact you put Neilson as upper SPL now and next few years tells me all I need to know about your ability to spot a football player. Absolutely zero.

 

Also Lee Wallace as premiership standard :conf11::conf11:

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Prancer, I take it you watch a lot of the reserve/u21 games? I'll have to admit I don't but my boss trains one of the youth teams at Riccarton and he's a huge fan of Johnny Brown. Certainly rated higher than 1st div though i realise this is just opinions.

 

Also, the couple of times I saw Screpis last season I was reasonably impressed. However, I realise that we saw so much dross that when someone raised their game just one notch we all wet ourselves!!

 

Ive watched a share in the past but not so much recently.

 

Jonny brown is very talented but I think like many of our youths they are overhyped and overpressured by the fans far too earlier looking for any ray of comfort from the disaster zone that is our club

 

Brown imo could not walk into an SPL team and play every week at the moment although he definitly has the potential to do so in the next few years

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Also Lee Wallace as premiership standard :conf11::conf11:

 

 

Imo under the right management and coaching he does have the potential to go onto that level.

 

For me neilson and wallace get a far too hard time from our fans and both are at the moment very good SPL players, in wallace's case he is still a good few years off his peak and imo could play at a far higher level.

 

A fact that hasnt been lost on the OF managers who have shown interest

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portobellojambo1

Robbie Neilson - Upper SPL (Upper SPL)

 

The above was when I stopped reading, didn't see much point in going any further.

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The Old Tolbooth
Imo under the right management and coaching he does have the potential to go onto that level.

 

For me neilson and wallace get a far too hard time from our fans and both are at the moment very good SPL players, in wallace's case he is still a good few years off his peak and imo could play at a far higher level.

 

A fact that hasnt been lost on the OF managers who have shown interest

 

And have followed it up with bank busting bids! :rolleyes:

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Interesting question.

 

The sad answer is that there are too many players that I do not see as capable of improving. We DO have a decent-ish batch of young players that given the right coaching and effort would improve, as to what standard who knows.

 

Get rid of the players that cannot or will not improve and start from there.

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Seymour M Hersh
Also Lee Wallace as premiership standard :conf11::conf11:

 

Tbh John I looked no further than Neilson. The guy (prancer) seems to hate everything about the club. I very much doubt he is a Hearts fan.

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Tbh John I looked no further than Neilson. The guy (prancer) seems to hate everything about the club. I very much doubt he is a Hearts fan.

 

Well if you'd read further you'd have seen him - imo - over-praising half the squad. But it wouldn't be Kickback if people let facts get in the way of their pronouncements ;)

 

Prancer takes things too far a lot of the time, but better a bit of cynicism at the moment than this sudden belief that the appointment of some guy from Uganda no-one had heard of a fortnight ago automatically means Europe next season.

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