That thing you do Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) Recently got introduced to this idea that if a civilisation ever achieves technological maturity its likely to simulate itself. The result being if you expect the premise its highly unlikely we live in base reality. Its basically all a dream. Bit of a mind melt but as good a logic as any why theres no intelligent life at Easter Road/ in the universe thats discovered yet. Edited January 22 by That thing you do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) Now this thread has @Victorian written all over it. He's bound to know everything there is to google about it and then explain it to us. Edited January 22 by been here before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Isn't that what all our resident self appointed intellectuals on everything and stats comrades do though ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 There was an episode of Elementary that featured this. Ahead of it's time that show. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Sounds like conspiracy theorist stuff. Worked beside a guy who thinks life itself just now is a simulation and that we are all slaves to a greater being. All our lives are under control and scripted. 😳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Life feels real enough to me. Simulated or not i am just grateful to be in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hansel Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Imagine you found out you were just an NPC in a video game 🎮 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pap Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 When you die, you wake up back in Recall. 😋 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 The Internet isn't the godsend it should have been. Full of simpletons. This shite, Flat Earthers, Aliens, etc... etc... The ability to contact one another this easily has allowed people like Trump, Ike, Jones, Peterson, Tate, Sargent to profit on these head injuries anxiety and hatred and/or feeling of supremacy. Mostly white men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 3 hours ago, been here before said: Now this thread has @Victorian written all over it. He's bound to know everything there is to google about it and then explain it to us. Yet we've never seen you post expertise on anything on this forum 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 4 minutes ago, kila said: Yet we've never seen you post expertise on anything on this forum 🤷♂️ Life can be tough eh? Hang in there though, stay strong. Its all part of someone's imagination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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redjambo Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, Debut 4 said: Sounds like conspiracy theorist stuff. Worked beside a guy who thinks life itself just now is a simulation and that we are all slaves to a greater being. All our lives are under control and scripted. 😳 I knew you were going to say that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 I'd highly recommend World on a Wire or the Thirteenth Floor as good examples of films that explore the idea of simulation. Also videos of Rangers players in the penalty area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Life is a minestrone Served up with parmesan cheese Death is a cold Lasagne Suspended in deep freeze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 4 hours ago, Hansel said: Imagine you found out you were just an NPC in a video game 🎮 Eh?? we're not?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 5 hours ago, Debut 4 said: Sounds like conspiracy theorist stuff. Worked beside a guy who thinks life itself just now is a simulation and that we are all slaves to a greater being. All our lives are under control and scripted. 😳 The theory is that we can already simulate worlds on our computers, going from this in 1972 to this in 2024: VR, haptics and better processing will create ever more sophisticated simulations until reality and simulated reality are almost indistinguishable from each other. Any advanced civilization is likely to do 2 things. 1 - disappear into pleasure boxes, where they can explore places and pleasures beyond anything reality serves up. A possible explanation for the Fermi Paradox. 2 - create simulated civilizations for ancestry sims, learning from history, predicting outcomes of decisions etc. They would spin up countless sims. Thus, the math pans out that the chances of being in a base reality rather than a simulated universe are lower than 100%. It doesn't mean we don't have freedom of choice within a simulation, that would depend on the intent of the sim. There are counter-arguments to this thought experiment: 1. You cannot ever simulate something more complex than the Universe itself as you'd not have the memory available for such infinity. Perhaps the distance and Universe speeding apart in our reality is the "fog" used in GTA III to make the map look bigger. 2. Can you program the code and parameters so perfectly no-one spots a glitch or finds a flaw? Currently, we definitely cannot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Deja Vu is just a previously gamesave Joking aside, it's a really interesting topic. The bit in @Gizmos post above about a possible explanation for the Fermi Paradox is really interesting in particular imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 3 hours ago, Taffin said: Deja Vu is just a previously gamesave Joking aside, it's a really interesting topic. The bit in @Gizmos post above about a possible explanation for the Fermi Paradox is really interesting in particular imo The more perverse side of me likes to think any civilization that creates advanced VR indistinguishable from reality just disappeared into it and hit the orgasm button repeatedly till they starved or more likely dehydrated to death. Being serious, how addictive would it be to pilot a ship to Saturn's rings via a wormhole then pop round the pleasure pits of Pluto for some R&R... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flogel41 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Simulation theory is a really interesting concept. It always amazes me how physics, possibly one of the purest and most fundamental sciences, seems to produce ideas like this that seem to me to be as much philosophy as they are science (e.g simulation theory, Schrödinger’s cat/superposition, observer effect etc). The simulation paper is worth reading. It states that one of three statements must be true ( simulated reality being one) the problem for me is that one of the statements is that the human race will become extinct before reaching a post human state. If I was to bet on one of the options it would be this, somedays we don’t seem far from obliterating ourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 10 hours ago, Debut 4 said: Sounds like conspiracy theorist stuff. Worked beside a guy who thinks life itself just now is a simulation and that we are all slaves to a greater being. All our lives are under control and scripted. 😳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 11 hours ago, Debut 4 said: Sounds like conspiracy theorist stuff. Worked beside a guy who thinks life itself just now is a simulation and that we are all slaves to a greater being. All our lives are under control and scripted. 😳 I'd like to give the person who wrote my script a doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedy Jambo Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 13 hours ago, ri Alban said: The Internet isn't the godsend it should have been. Full of simpletons. This shite, Flat Earthers, Aliens, etc... etc... The ability to contact one another this easily has allowed people like Trump, Ike, Jones, Peterson, Tate, Sargent to profit on these head injuries anxiety and hatred and/or feeling of supremacy. Mostly white men. Says the guy that refuses to leave his box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 "There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened." -Douglas Adams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 13 hours ago, ri Alban said: The Internet isn't the godsend it should have been. Full of simpletons. This shite, Flat Earthers, Aliens, etc... etc... The ability to contact one another this easily has allowed people like Trump, Ike, Jones, Peterson, Tate, Sargent to profit on these head injuries anxiety and hatred and/or feeling of supremacy. Mostly white men. Simulation theory should not be categorised alongside the flat earth bullshit. It's not a conspiracy, it's a thought experiment which is based on valid physics and the evidence which is right around you. You did, after all, post your comment on the www using a computational device and not, as one may sometimes suspect, by carrier-pigeon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 3 hours ago, Ked said: I'd like to give the person who wrote my script a doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 5 hours ago, Gizmo said: Simulation theory should not be categorised alongside the flat earth bullshit. It's not a conspiracy, it's a thought experiment which is based on valid physics and the evidence which is right around you. You did, after all, post your comment on the www using a computational device and not, as one may sometimes suspect, by carrier-pigeon? Here, have a 🖍 Edited January 23 by ri Alban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrysmithsgloves Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 I watch this guy weekly,no I don't take it seriously 😆 like a good sci-fi series, anyhow here's his take😎p.s love hecklefish❤️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 6 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said: If it were all a simulation, would you care? Wouldn't that depend on your sim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldChampions1902 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 14 hours ago, Ked said: I'd like to give the person who wrote my script a doing Now that made me chuckle. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 hours ago, Jim_Duncan said: If it were all a simulation, would you care? It depends. You wouldn't want those running the sim to turn it off I suppose. Also, do we have free-will? If I was in a sim and I could find the equivalent of this: that would be cool. 8 hours ago, ri Alban said: Here, have a 🖍 If we are in a Sim, If I was you I'd be asking for your attribute points to be re-distributed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 On 22/01/2024 at 07:38, Hansel said: Imagine you found out you were just an NPC in a video game 🎮 Person controlling me must be a right creepy weirdo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pap Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 What would the owner of the sim get out of it? Its unlikely they are omnipresent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KG1874 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Many moons ago when I was young and dumb I took magic mushrooms on a trip in Amsterdam. For the few hours they lasted being in a computer games was exactly how I felt. Surreal experience. Never knew simulation theory was a thing I’ll defo find time to read into this at somepoint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bret the Hitman Hearts Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Can we not live in a simulation where Hearts are a bit more successful? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hansel Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 hours ago, hughesie27 said: Person controlling me must be a right creepy weirdo. 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 3 hours ago, hughesie27 said: Person controlling me must be a right creepy weirdo. Don't go there😲🤦 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tian447 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Simulation theory is one of things that I am aware of, and can't quite shake. It's silly, but if you look hard enough, you can't quite ignore. There are definitely things that suggest it might be real. Then again, there are suggestions that don't. It's an interesting thing to think about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Montpelier Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 13 hours ago, tian447 said: Simulation theory is one of things that I am aware of, and can't quite shake. It's silly, but if you look hard enough, you can't quite ignore. There are definitely things that suggest it might be real. Then again, there are suggestions that don't. It's an interesting thing to think about. DNA looks like coding. Laws of nature , coding etc etc Probably more philosophical at the moment this one , but we've seen massive leaps in technology over last 20 years and who knows where AI using quantum computers powered by cloud technology could take us... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 The thing that would bring this theory into proper mainstream is when we have our very own simulation which mirrors our own reality. Then the freaky thing is, just how many times have the simulation, simulated their reality and how far does it go? Imagine we are just one of the thousands of mirror simulated realities? Or then..maybe we are the first? It’s entirely feasible tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, AlimOzturk said: The thing that would bring this theory into proper mainstream is when we have our very own simulation which mirrors our own reality. Then the freaky thing is, just how many times have the simulation, simulated their reality and how far does it go? Imagine we are just one of the thousands of mirror simulated realities? Or then..maybe we are the first? It’s entirely feasible tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thee jambo Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I wish my user would up my health stats, and if they are reading this where's my euro millions win ? Use a cheat or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 On 24/01/2024 at 02:48, tian447 said: Simulation theory is one of things that I am aware of, and can't quite shake. It's silly, but if you look hard enough, you can't quite ignore. There are definitely things that suggest it might be real. Then again, there are suggestions that don't. It's an interesting thing to think about. I'm similar. But i think there is a higher self/something. I feel we are limited despite our evolvement . I doubt anyone defies the belief in our sense of that. Sorry just talking out loud.The whole of our conscience and how it's used is a wonder. Even and especially on here. 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 4 minutes ago, Ked said: I'm similar. But i think there is a higher self/something. I feel we are limited despite our evolvement . I doubt anyone defies the belief in our sense of that. Sorry just talking out loud.The whole of our conscience and how it's used is a wonder. Even and especially on here. 😆 Heath Ledgers and cans of lager, Ked, and a bursd to pump and a bottle of old school poppers. That's all the higher sef/something you'll ever need right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 2 hours ago, il Duce McTarkin said: Heath Ledgers and cans of lager, Ked, and a bursd to pump and a bottle of old school poppers. That's all the higher sef/something you'll ever need right there. Aye but naw el Duce . Simulation as a concept .....created in his own image or other wisdoms, tales . I'm talking pish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That thing you do Posted February 8 Author Share Posted February 8 On 22/01/2024 at 13:12, Ked said: I'd like to give the person who wrote my script a doing They could've scripted Hibs #justsaying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Gentleman Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 We are all slime moulds..... BBC Future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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