Bazzas right boot Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 How about the ref in the var room actually referees the game, he has a better view and instant replays. He makes the decision then tells the onfield official to deliver the decision. Save a lot of ****ing about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ministryofdad Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Eh!!?? How does that work. Would have to have 100+ cameras to view every single angle. Referees and linesmen are there for a reason. The philosophy is wrong in the game. The on field decicion need to be with referee. Unless there a clear and obvious error. The example of these two extemes would be Hibs goal being onside (onfield decicion) Kingsley red card being reviewed by var as a reversal and penalty to hearts. Var is there to support refs. However every decision doesn't need to be sent to it. There needs to be more authority with the referee and linesmen over var. These marginal calls should all be given unless the referee ASKES for a review. Now what should happen is every team is given 3 opportunities to go to var each. Like in tennis. And it should only be a review of a goal or a red card. Give the responsibility and respect to the referee. Like it's always been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Bazzas right boot said: How about the ref in the var room actually referees the game, he has a better view and instant replays. He makes the decision then tells the onfield official to deliver the decision. Save a lot of ****ing about. You got one bite, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 I think we should just recruit referees with parity from across Scotland. Weird concept huh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Waiting on AI refereeing the games. Robot replacing the onfield ref (what's that your saying?) Surely TF the SFA/OF can't manufacture an biased AI ref. Hmm..for that reason, this will never happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldy61 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, Tommy Brown said: Waiting on AI refereeing the games. Robot replacing the onfield ref (what's that your saying?) Surely TF the SFA/OF can't manufacture an biased AI ref. Hmm..for that reason, this will never happen Still have ref but AI for VAR. Be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 (edited) How about we just get a fully competent set of officials out on the park and that way the need for VAR overturns becomes a rarity. Maybe that’s just far too much of an ask here. Competence is a commodity that seems to be in very short supply among our top grade officials where coming from one of three or four west coast refereeing associations is all important. Having an allegiance to one or other of the OldFirm is also paramount. VAR and nothing else will improve until that mess is rectified. Edited November 7, 2023 by Deevers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboozy Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 I thought Collum already did that ?🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 29 minutes ago, Tommy Brown said: Waiting on AI refereeing the games. Robot replacing the onfield ref (what's that your saying?) Surely TF the SFA/OF can't manufacture an biased AI ref. Hmm..for that reason, this will never happen AI reffing is the future, IMO. Actually, AI coaching and playing as well. All on consoles and funded by Qatari and Saudi Arabian loot, with a couple of journalists murdered and disembowelled every season for a bit of a diversion. The beautiful game, my hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horatio Caine Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 50 minutes ago, Tommy Brown said: Waiting on AI refereeing the games. Robot replacing the onfield ref (what's that your saying?) Surely TF the SFA/OF can't manufacture an biased AI ref. Hmm..for that reason, this will never happen For that reason this could happen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Was just listening to ‘Get Involved Referee’ and they can’t believe that Scottish football opt for VAR ‘light’… in their opinion, it’s just another reason for our league to be regarded as tinpot and it’s difficult to disagree. They think we should upgrade to the top package and have it sponsored. Groundbreaking stuff eh? Dungcaster te al, we’re you watching? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 19 minutes ago, Rogue Daddy said: Was just listening to ‘Get Involved Referee’ and they can’t believe that Scottish football opt for VAR ‘light’… in their opinion, it’s just another reason for our league to be regarded as tinpot and it’s difficult to disagree. They think we should upgrade to the top package and have it sponsored. Groundbreaking stuff eh? Dungcaster te al, we’re you watching? Aye because Var max works so much better in England. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 19 minutes ago, Rogue Daddy said: Was just listening to ‘Get Involved Referee’ and they can’t believe that Scottish football opt for VAR ‘light’… in their opinion, it’s just another reason for our league to be regarded as tinpot and it’s difficult to disagree. They think we should upgrade to the top package and have it sponsored. Groundbreaking stuff eh? Dungcaster te al, we’re you watching? He awaits Lawwell for next instructions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, Dazo said: Aye because Var max works so much better in England. 😂 When we were first getting VAR I kept hearing (in the press/media) that as long as we use it the same as in Germany- should be fine. I’ve no idea what (if any) changes Germany utilise, but yeah, EPL can be nuts. Doesn’t change the fact, if we have it, it should be the full package… not just ‘bits’ of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 9 minutes ago, Tommy Brown said: He awaits Lawwell for next instructions. Yep… a bit of hand-holding would also be required, I’m sure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 13 minutes ago, Rogue Daddy said: When we were first getting VAR I kept hearing (in the press/media) that as long as we use it the same as in Germany- should be fine. I’ve no idea what (if any) changes Germany utilise, but yeah, EPL can be nuts. Doesn’t change the fact, if we have it, it should be the full package… not just ‘bits’ of it. Dunno mate it will be the same useless ***** using it whatever system we have in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Dazo said: Dunno mate it will be the same useless ***** using it whatever system we have in place. This is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcc Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Just have the Celtic or Rangers manager make the decisions. Won’t be far off what we currently get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex member of the SaS Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 16 hours ago, Ministryofdad said: Eh!!?? How does that work. Would have to have 100+ cameras to view every single angle. Referees and linesmen are there for a reason. The philosophy is wrong in the game. The on field decicion need to be with referee. Unless there a clear and obvious error. The example of these two extemes would be Hibs goal being onside (onfield decicion) Kingsley red card being reviewed by var as a reversal and penalty to hearts. Var is there to support refs. However every decision doesn't need to be sent to it. There needs to be more authority with the referee and linesmen over var. These marginal calls should all be given unless the referee ASKES for a review. Now what should happen is every team is given 3 opportunities to go to var each. Like in tennis. And it should only be a review of a goal or a red card. Give the responsibility and respect to the referee. Like it's always been. The problem with the referee ASKING is the likes of Walsh would never ask. What would solve many of the problems would be VAR officials from another country with conversations between ref and Var broadcast over the tannoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Kaiser Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Would settle for just Intelligence in refereeing...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 19 hours ago, Ministryofdad said: Eh!!?? How does that work. Would have to have 100+ cameras to view every single angle. Referees and linesmen are there for a reason. The philosophy is wrong in the game. The on field decicion need to be with referee. Unless there a clear and obvious error. The example of these two extemes would be Hibs goal being onside (onfield decicion) Kingsley red card being reviewed by var as a reversal and penalty to hearts. Var is there to support refs. However every decision doesn't need to be sent to it. There needs to be more authority with the referee and linesmen over var. These marginal calls should all be given unless the referee ASKES for a review. Now what should happen is every team is given 3 opportunities to go to var each. Like in tennis. And it should only be a review of a goal or a red card. Give the responsibility and respect to the referee. Like it's always been. I was and am against VAR, but if implemented in a way like this, it would be much better. it should not be used for every single ‘error’, such as someone’s toenail being a fraction offside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brauhauser2012 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 20 hours ago, Bazzas right boot said: How about the ref in the var room actually referees the game, he has a better view and instant replays. He makes the decision then tells the onfield official to deliver the decision. Save a lot of ****ing about. This idea has a lot of merit. We will get to the stage where AI can replace the online refs. Someone said we need 100s of cameras. Quite possible. Not unaffordable. I think the technology needs to be seamless though and its not there yet. Lets get the current system working. I would prefer decisions to be explained like in rugby with playback on screen so we see what the ref is talking about. Also blood substitutions. If someone is injured, replaced without restriction. Time added on. Just like in rugby. So no advantage to crippling a team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted November 7, 2023 Author Share Posted November 7, 2023 30 minutes ago, Brauhauser2012 said: This idea has a lot of merit. We will get to the stage where AI can replace the online refs. Someone said we need 100s of cameras. Quite possible. Not unaffordable. I think the technology needs to be seamless though and its not there yet. Lets get the current system working. I would prefer decisions to be explained like in rugby with playback on screen so we see what the ref is talking about. Also blood substitutions. If someone is injured, replaced without restriction. Time added on. Just like in rugby. So no advantage to crippling a team. Agreed, it was half tongue in cheek , but whe you break it down it becomes more logical. Why does the ref need to be on tbe pitch, when tv. Close ups and replays are available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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