Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 According to the Scotland assistant manager the surface the players trained on was safety risk and Scotland have moved to lesser hampden to train. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Good riddance, don't let the door hit your slavering arse on the way out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Famous 1874 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Permanently? If not it’s 100% a cop out since Clarke can’t be ****ed going through from Glasgow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busbyfth Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Ive said for four years that Hearts get a disproportionate amount of injuries compared to other SPFL teams. I queried if this was only a coincidence that would soon change or if there was a reasoning re where we trained and what on. It may well be that our four years of many injuries is just a bad run of luck.......but this must make folk wonder. A person would be stupid to just presume it was a coincidence and not to at least do some studies just to make sure.......or is it maybe too easy to think that our injury lists each year were bad luck and will soon be reduced ? (Not damning anyone/anything - just keeping an open mind for once......the injury lists speak for themselves) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indianajones Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 I dont know anything about the pitch at the Oriam but I can guarantee it's less of a safety concern than both the Livingston and Kilmarnock carpets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted March 21, 2023 Author Share Posted March 21, 2023 Just now, indianajones said: I dont know anything about the pitch at the Oriam but I can guarantee it's less of a safety concern than both the Livingston and Kilmarnock carpets. 100% this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busbyfth Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 11 minutes ago, indianajones said: I dont know anything about the pitch at the Oriam but I can guarantee it's less of a safety concern than both the Livingston and Kilmarnock carpets. shouldnt be allowed....dig them up.....apart from changing all visiting teams game plans due to strange bounces etc etc it gives a distinct home advantage as theyre used to the farcical conditions., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig_ Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 40 minutes ago, Selkirkhmfc1874 said: According to the Scotland assistant manager the surface the players trained on was safety risk and Scotland have moved to lesser hampden to train. Well isn't that convenient, given the SFA have been making noises about moving west... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 12 minutes ago, indianajones said: I dont know anything about the pitch at the Oriam but I can guarantee it's less of a safety concern than both the Livingston and Kilmarnock carpets. I’ve trained on the indoor surface at the Oriam numerous times and did my knee on it. Was doing a passing drill and my studs just got caught in the surface and opened up my MCL and as tendons knackered as a result - didn’t play for nearly 6 months after. Totally innocuous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Easy to dismiss this as SFA/west coast bias. Then you like at Hearts' injury list... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 21 minutes ago, busbyfth said: Ive said for four years that Hearts get a disproportionate amount of injuries compared to other SPFL teams. I queried if this was only a coincidence that would soon change or if there was a reasoning re where we trained and what on. It may well be that our four years of many injuries is just a bad run of luck.......but this must make folk wonder. A person would be stupid to just presume it was a coincidence and not to at least do some studies just to make sure.......or is it maybe too easy to think that our injury lists each year were bad luck and will soon be reduced ? (Not damning anyone/anything - just keeping an open mind for once......the injury lists speak for themselves) How many of Hearts serious injuries happened at the Oriam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsofgold Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Just now, davemclaren said: How many of Hearts serious injuries happened at the Oriam? But how many of them have had tendon/ligaments weakened by training on its surface Dave. We don't really know but we do have a disproportionate amount of ligament injuries at the club, and have had for several years now under different managers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firefox Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: I’ve trained on the indoor surface at the Oriam numerous times and did my knee on it. Was doing a passing drill and my studs just got caught in the surface and opened up my MCL and as tendons knackered as a result - didn’t play for nearly 6 months after. Totally innocuous. So wasn't a serious injury then? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 11 minutes ago, Craig_ said: Well isn't that convenient, given the SFA have been making noises about moving west... Did the SFA not put money into building the Oriam ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Honestly can't believe how much they bend to Clarke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, davemclaren said: How many of Hearts serious injuries happened at the Oriam? Probably not many as Neilson would have added that to his excuse list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midloth_Iain Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 16 minutes ago, Craig_ said: Well isn't that convenient, given the SFA have been making noises about moving west... It could be that the concerns were raised by Carver and the physios, then relayed to the SFA, who have subsequently decided against using Oriam for this reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Fox Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 15 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: I’ve trained on the indoor surface at the Oriam numerous times and did my knee on it. Was doing a passing drill and my studs just got caught in the surface and opened up my MCL and as tendons knackered as a result - didn’t play for nearly 6 months after. Totally innocuous. Who with Hearts ❤️or Scotland 🏴? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midloth_Iain Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65029088 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Famous 1874 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Cop out. Steve Clarke wants to base them through at Glasgow because he is lazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: Probably not many as Neilson would have added that to his excuse list. 🤦♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 11 minutes ago, Heartsofgold said: But how many of them have had tendon/ligaments weakened by training on its surface Dave. We don't really know but we do have a disproportionate amount of ligament injuries at the club, and have had for several years now under different managers. This was my first thought too 7 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: Probably not many as Neilson would have added that to his excuse list. And then I read this reply and thought yeah, fair enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain ferguson Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) Hearts don”t even use the pitch he is slavering on about. The pitch is only for use by the SFA. Should tear it up, lay new Astro and Hearts should pay for exclusive use as part of the new agreement. Would solve a lot of the training time issues with Hearts/Oriam. Edited March 21, 2023 by iain ferguson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 37 minutes ago, busbyfth said: Ive said for four years that Hearts get a disproportionate amount of injuries compared to other SPFL teams. I queried if this was only a coincidence that would soon change or if there was a reasoning re where we trained and what on. It may well be that our four years of many injuries is just a bad run of luck.......but this must make folk wonder. A person would be stupid to just presume it was a coincidence and not to at least do some studies just to make sure.......or is it maybe too easy to think that our injury lists each year were bad luck and will soon be reduced ? (Not damning anyone/anything - just keeping an open mind for once......the injury lists speak for themselves) Definitely something not right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Will be interesting to see if/how Oriam and Hearts respond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wrinkly Ninja Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Thought we trained outside on grass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain ferguson Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Just now, The Wrinkly Ninja said: Thought we trained outside on grass. We do but not the same pitch as Scotland used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 minute ago, iain ferguson said: Hearts don”t even use the pitch he is slavering on about. The pitch is only for use by the SFA. Should tear it up, lay new Astro and Hearts should pay for exclusive use as part of the new agreement. Would solve a lot of the training time issues with Hearts/Oriam. And another twist to the story... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 minute ago, iain ferguson said: Hearts don”t even use the pitch he is slavering on about. The pitch is only for use by the SFA. Should tear it up, lay new Astro and Hearts should pay for exclusive use as part of the new agreement. Would solve a lot of the training time issues with Hearts/Oriam. Fair point but would all the pitches not be slightly slippery under foot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sub4TiddlerMurray Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 17 minutes ago, davemclaren said: How many of Hearts serious injuries happened at the Oriam? 13 minutes ago, Heartsofgold said: But how many of them have had tendon/ligaments weakened by training on its surface Dave. We don't really know but we do have a disproportionate amount of ligament injuries at the club, and have had for several years now under different managers. It's a fair question to ask. The grass pitches at Oriam have however been an issue for years and there may well be a correlation with our high number of injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain ferguson Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Different drainage and no idea what the Scotland pitch is like. Not seen the Hearts pitches breaking up under foot as Carver said they have seen and all the players have complained about! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherbet Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Maybe that's why both hearts and scotland play boring football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain ferguson Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Sub4TiddlerMurray said: It's a fair question to ask. The grass pitches at Oriam have however been an issue for years and there may well be a correlation with our high number of injuries. Could be but not related to Scotland. If anything the grass pitches Hearts use get a bit heavy with water which seems the opposite of what Carver is saying? Edited March 21, 2023 by iain ferguson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, Sub4TiddlerMurray said: It's a fair question to ask. The grass pitches at Oriam have however been an issue for years and there may well be a correlation with our high number of injuries. It is a fair question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Fredrickson Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 I thought I read on previous thread that Clark wanted to move training to Glasgow due to traffic congestion getting to Hampden from Edinburgh. Is Carver not towing the party line or has he been told to say something different? As already mentioned, will be interesting to hear what the owners of Oriam have to say abou ti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Hammy Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Can’t remember where I read it but Clark said move to Glasgow was due to issues around hotel accommodation and need to move players through to Glasgow ahead of games causing too much hassle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsofgold Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Carl Fredrickson said: I thought I read on previous thread that Clark wanted to move training to Glasgow due to traffic congestion getting to Hampden from Edinburgh. Is Carver not towing the party line or has he been told to say something different? As already mentioned, will be interesting to hear what the owners of Oriam have to say abou ti And the SFA, considering they are and Oriam partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Wee Hammy said: Can’t remember where I read it but Clark said move to Glasgow was due to issues around hotel accommodation and need to move players through to Glasgow ahead of games causing too much hassle Maybe thst wasn't seen as enough justification? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Reynolds Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) Quite an accusation to come out with. Not sure the Oriam bosses will be too pleased. Edited March 21, 2023 by Dennis Reynolds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorgierulesapply88 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) Scotland use/used the pitch located next to the outdoor astro. Which looks absolutely fine on the eye, but obviously plays shite. Hearts use, the 'public' pitches. Edited March 21, 2023 by gorgierulesapply88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorgierulesapply88 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 10 minutes ago, Wee Hammy said: Can’t remember where I read it but Clark said move to Glasgow was due to issues around hotel accommodation and need to move players through to Glasgow ahead of games causing too much hassle There is a Marriott at Riccarton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 39 minutes ago, Firefox said: So wasn't a serious injury then? 1 Well passing a ball and jogging to a next cone I wasn’t expecting in that moment to not kick a ball for the rest of the season, so fairly innocuous yeah. If NHS waiting lists weren’t a thing I’d have had surgery already. I said tendon but meant meniscus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Hammy Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/rangers/why-scotland-will-be-moving-back-to-glasgow-as-little-issue-in-edinburgh-prompts-switch-4064493 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 44 minutes ago, Heartsofgold said: But how many of them have had tendon/ligaments weakened by training on its surface Dave. We don't really know but we do have a disproportionate amount of ligament injuries at the club, and have had for several years now under different managers. Do they not train on the grass pitches? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Just now, Hesh said: Do they not train on the grass pitches? Another fair question 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayside Jambo Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) The grass pitches round the back are not in great shape. Very sandy and very firm, even with the rainfall we had. My hip and knee are still sore after being on their this weekend. And only recently back to full training since picking up a niggle from the outdoor astro in mid Novemeber. All non impact injuries. Edit: the grass pitches will not be the one that Scotland train on. More so the ones next to the Hearts outdoor one at the back. Edited March 21, 2023 by Tayside Jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorgierulesapply88 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Another fair question 😄 The grass pitch located next to the astro is the one they use. They do not use the astro. The outdoor astro needs re-done. The indoor one the ball glides along the blades of 'grass' and plays really well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firefox Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 13 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: Well passing a ball and jogging to a next cone I wasn’t expecting in that moment to not kick a ball for the rest of the season, so fairly innocuous yeah. If NHS waiting lists weren’t a thing I’d have had surgery already. I said tendon but meant meniscus. innocuous adjective UK /ɪˈnɒk.ju.əs/ US /ɪˈnɑː.kju.əs/ completely harmless (= causing no harm) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, gorgierulesapply88 said: The grass pitch located next to the astro is the one they use. They do not use the astro. The outdoor astro needs re-done. The indoor one the ball glides along the blades of 'grass' and plays really well. So Hearts and Scotland don't use the same pitches? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Firefox said: innocuous adjective UK /ɪˈnɒk.ju.əs/ US /ɪˈnɑː.kju.əs/ completely harmless (= causing no harm) Sorry, it looked completely innocuous to the naked eye. If you’d have seen me running you’d have thought nothing happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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