Eleanor Williams jailed

[Cade]

Eleanor Williams, a 22-year-old woman who lied about being the victim of a sex grooming gang, has been sentenced to 8 and a half years in prison.

 

She chose her victims seemingly at random, accusing several Asian business owners in the local area of being in a grooming gang.

She even went so far as to buy a hammer and attack herself with it, nearly severing a finger in an attempt to frame the men.

A social media post of her injuries and lies went viral, hate crimes in the area rose, businesses had their windows smashed, innocent men and their families were subjected to death threats and three of the framed men attempted suicide.

151 crimes were linked to the case.
Families had to leave town.

One innocent man spent 73 days on remand before being cleared.

A charity group "Justice for Ellie" was formed and was selling merchandise.

Rallies and marches in her name took place up and down the nation as people thought there was a Police cover up of the sex gang.

All based on lies.

 

When the Police started suspecting that all was not as it seemed, she began making fake profiles of the men on different websites, even creating entirely fictional characters in an attempt to manufacture evidence to support her lies.

She had more than 6 mobile phones and countless email addresses.

She also stared "going missing" after Police first began investigating her in an attempt to play the mental health card.

Often, she was found in various towns and villages in the area, coked aff her nut.

She gave Police a list of 60 girls, who she claimed were also victims of the fictional sex gang.

These girls were very surprised when the Police came round to ask them about the case. Not one of them had been the victim of any sex gang.

Ellie even claimed that she and her sister had been abducted and taken to Amsterdam by a sex gang.

In fact, the two girls went there together, for her sister's 18th birthday.

Her sister was a prosecution witness.

 

She pretended to have had a baby.
She pretended to have been in a coma after having had a back-street abortion.

More lies.

 

The damage this girl has done cannot be understated.

She ruined countless lives in the area, causing deep scars to her victims and their families that may never be healed.

She inflamed racial tensions and mistrust of the Police. Possibly making investigating actual grooming gangs harder in the future.
She will cast doubt on sex gang cases, as the defence will simply paint the victims of these gangs as "another Ellie, making stuff up"

Victims may be reluctant to come forward now because of this.

 

[Victorian]

It's a horrendous case and there always has to be a severe punishment for perverting the course of justice (or perjury in the event of a court case) to act as a serious deterrent.  But the scale and range of this woman's fantasies surely indicate profound mental health troubles.  It's difficult to see where the line is between issuing the full force of the law and taking into account that a person might not necessarily have criminal responsibility for their deeds.

[Dick Dastardly]

Burn the witch

[Bindy Badgy]

The photos of her self-inflicted injuries are horrific. Quite how someone can do that to themselves is beyond me. She definitely has several screws loose.

[John Findlay]

28 minutes ago, Victorian said:

It's a horrendous case and there always has to be a severe punishment for perverting the course of justice (or perjury in the event of a court case) to act as a serious deterrent.  But the scale and range of this woman's fantasies surely indicate profound mental health troubles.  It's difficult to see where the line is between issuing the full force of the law and taking into account that a person might not necessarily have criminal responsibility for their deeds.

Then put her in a secure mental institute and throw away the key.

[Victorian]

9 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

Then put her in a secure mental institute and throw away the key.

 

Well,  naw,  but sort of.  

 

This woman is clearly profoundly troubled.  Somewhere on a spectrum of mental illness.  So yes,  maybe detained in a state hospital,  assessed,  diagnosed if there is something to diagnose,  treated if treatable,  etc.

 

But the severe deterrent against this kind of crime is essential and should never be compromised by possible bogus or mistaken mitigations.

 

Where is the distinction?

[John Findlay]

51 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Well,  naw,  but sort of.  

 

This woman is clearly profoundly troubled.  Somewhere on a spectrum of mental illness.  So yes,  maybe detained in a state hospital,  assessed,  diagnosed if there is something to diagnose,  treated if treatable,  etc.

 

But the severe deterrent against this kind of crime is essential and should never be compromised by possible bogus or mistaken mitigations.

 

Where is the distinction?

Isn't that for the alleged experts to determine. I have to confess that I already think she has been treated differently as she is a female.

[Tazio]

1 hour ago, John Findlay said:

Isn't that for the alleged experts to determine. I have to confess that I already think she has been treated differently as she is a female.

Well she certainly got a much longer sentence than a hell of a lot of rapists get. 

[Ray Gin]

3 hours ago, Cade said:

Eleanor Williams, a 22-year-old woman who lied about being the victim of a sex grooming gang, has been sentenced to 8 and a half years in prison.

 

She chose her victims seemingly at random, accusing several Asian business owners in the local area of being in a grooming gang.

She even went so far as to buy a hammer and attack herself with it, nearly severing a finger in an attempt to frame the men.

A social media post of her injuries and lies went viral, hate crimes in the area rose, businesses had their windows smashed, innocent men and their families were subjected to death threats and three of the framed men attempted suicide.

151 crimes were linked to the case.
Families had to leave town.

One innocent man spent 73 days on remand before being cleared.

A charity group "Justice for Ellie" was formed and was selling merchandise.

Rallies and marches in her name took place up and down the nation as people thought there was a Police cover up of the sex gang.

All based on lies.

 

When the Police started suspecting that all was not as it seemed, she began making fake profiles of the men on different websites, even creating entirely fictional characters in an attempt to manufacture evidence to support her lies.

She had more than 6 mobile phones and countless email addresses.

She also stared "going missing" after Police first began investigating her in an attempt to play the mental health card.

Often, she was found in various towns and villages in the area, coked aff her nut.

She gave Police a list of 60 girls, who she claimed were also victims of the fictional sex gang.

These girls were very surprised when the Police came round to ask them about the case. Not one of them had been the victim of any sex gang.

Ellie even claimed that she and her sister had been abducted and taken to Amsterdam by a sex gang.

In fact, the two girls went there together, for her sister's 18th birthday.

Her sister was a prosecution witness.

 

She pretended to have had a baby.
She pretended to have been in a coma after having had a back-street abortion.

More lies.

 

The damage this girl has done cannot be understated.

She ruined countless lives in the area, causing deep scars to her victims and their families that may never be healed.

She inflamed racial tensions and mistrust of the Police. Possibly making investigating actual grooming gangs harder in the future.
She will cast doubt on sex gang cases, as the defence will simply paint the victims of these gangs as "another Ellie, making stuff up"

Victims may be reluctant to come forward now because of this.

 

 

 Incredible the amount of carnage one lunatic can cause with their lies.

 

 

 

[Unknown user]

7 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

 Incredible the amount of carnage one lunatic can cause with their lies.

 

Of course our Tommeh was up there inciting hatred against the non existent grooming gang, leading to innocent people being targeted in the aftermath.

[Spellczech]

Guessing they don't reckon she is nuts? Pretty impressive bit of acting nuts...

[John Findlay]

1 hour ago, Tazio said:

Well she certainly got a much longer sentence than a hell of a lot of rapists get. 

Agreed. Rapists do not get the gaol time their crime deserves.

[Cade]

Prosecution successfully argued that she was calculating and cold rather than mentally disturbed.

A lot of planning went into her lies and as detailed in my original post, she escalated things once she knew the police were looking into her.

The criminal psychologists could only say that there could possible be some PTSD from an unspecified childhood trauma, but then you can say that about almost anybody, and that certainly doesn't provide an excuse for the campaign she waged on these innocent men.

 

Nobody has worked out a motive though; that's the missing thing here.

Some people allege that she was a heavy drug user and had gotten into serious debt with the local drugs gangs.
Maybe the drugs made her paranoid and once the first lie came out, she just kept piling lies on lies in an attempt to avoid the original lie being found out? Maybe she was disassociated from the truth? But then people living in a drug induced fantasy world don't usually buy 6 phones and make fake internet accounts, that takes some amount of planning and calculation.

But then, buying a hammer from Tesco and smashing the shite out of yourself is a totally whacko thing to do.....

Or maybe she thought she could make money from selling her story? It's not as if people making lots of money from telling lies online is a rarity these days.

Lots of theories about why she did what she did, but nobody can say for sure.

 

 

[John Findlay]

47 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Of course our Tommeh was up there inciting hatred against the non existent grooming gang, leading to innocent people being targeted in the aftermath.

Terrible whataboutery.

[Unknown user]

4 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

Terrible whataboutery.

 

I think you need to look up whataboutery mate.

 

Unless you're saying it's such terrible whataboutery that it isn't whataboutery at all!

[John Findlay]

5 hours ago, Smithee said:

 

I think you need to look up whataboutery mate.

 

Unless you're saying it's such terrible whataboutery that it isn't whataboutery at all!

🤣🤣🤣

[Vlad Magic]

Pumpable?

[Jambo-Jimbo]

This all reminds of a case in Carlisle a number of years ago, where an innocent guy was accused of rape.

Long story short, this lassie fancied this guy but he didn't want to know, anyway after he'd got married & had a kid, she came out with historical rape allegations, guy was arrested and named, lost his job, his wife, kid, home, was beat up, he lost everything, absolutely everything, then the accusor gave an oscar winning performance in court and the guy got convicted and sentenced to however many years it was in jail.

 

About a year or so into his sentence she started to brag about how she'd got an innocent man jailed and how people had better watch out or she'd do the same to them.  Eventually it was she that got the jail for perverting the course of justice and the guy's conviction was quashed, but the damage had been done, his whole life was ruined.  And worst of all even although she was convicted and jailed she was still allowed her anonymity throughout, even to this day her identity is secret, although I think she was named locally.

 

 

 

[vegas-voss]

17 hours ago, Bindy Badgy said:

The photos of her self-inflicted injuries are horrific. Quite how someone can do that to themselves is beyond me. She definitely has several screws loose.

Hitting herself in the face with a hammer **** me 

[Cade]

39 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

This all reminds of a case in Carlisle a number of years ago, where an innocent guy was accused of rape.

Long story short, this lassie fancied this guy but he didn't want to know, anyway after he'd got married & had a kid, she came out with historical rape allegations, guy was arrested and named, lost his job, his wife, kid, home, was beat up, he lost everything, absolutely everything, then the accusor gave an oscar winning performance in court and the guy got convicted and sentenced to however many years it was in jail.

 

About a year or so into his sentence she started to brag about how she'd got an innocent man jailed and how people had better watch out or she'd do the same to them.  Eventually it was she that got the jail for perverting the course of justice and the guy's conviction was quashed, but the damage had been done, his whole life was ruined.  And worst of all even although she was convicted and jailed she was still allowed her anonymity throughout, even to this day her identity is secret, although I think she was named locally.

 

 

 

 

In any sensitive case, the accused should also be anonymous until proven guilty.

Mud sticks and people are stupid.

False allegations can ruin a life as much as a conviction can.

 

[trotter]

4 minutes ago, Cade said:

 

In any sensitive case, the accused should also be anonymous until proven guilty.

Mud sticks and people are stupid.

False allegations can ruin a life as much as a conviction can.

 

I've thought and said this for years. The anonymity for victims was brought about by the thought (rightfully so) that it would encourage more people to come forward. 

 

That being said, the fact that accusers remain anonymous, yet the accused can be named on the front page the moment they are arrested, not charged, has never sat well with me. Both should be nameless until the end of the trial. If guilty, name the accused, if the accuser is found to be lying, name them. 

[davemclaren]

2 minutes ago, trotter said:

I've thought and said this for years. The anonymity for victims was brought about by the thought (rightfully so) that it would encourage more people to come forward. 

 

That being said, the fact that accusers remain anonymous, yet the accused can be named on the front page the moment they are arrested, not charged, has never sat well with me. Both should be nameless until the end of the trial. If guilty, name the accused, if the accuser is found to be lying, name them. 

Tricky one. Just because the accused is found not guilty or not proven it doesn't necessarily mean that the accuser is a liar. 

[trotter]

1 minute ago, davemclaren said:

Tricky one. Just because the accused is found not guilty or not proven it doesn't necessarily mean that the accuser is a liar. 

Yeah Dave, I didn't cover that one. So well played calling it out. 

 

There has to be some sort of middle ground? It just doesn't seem right that someone gets their life ruined, whilst the other gets to walk off. 

 

Wasn't there a case in Leith/Meadowbank a few years ago when the guy lost his job/family etc, but she still got to keep her anonymity even after she was judged to have been lying? 

[davemclaren]

14 minutes ago, trotter said:

Yeah Dave, I didn't cover that one. So well played calling it out. 

 

There has to be some sort of middle ground? It just doesn't seem right that someone gets their life ruined, whilst the other gets to walk off. 

 

Wasn't there a case in Leith/Meadowbank a few years ago when the guy lost his job/family etc, but she still got to keep her anonymity even after she was judged to have been lying? 

No idea but I agree it seems unfair how it works at present. 

[BlueRiver]

1 hour ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

This all reminds of a case in Carlisle a number of years ago, where an innocent guy was accused of rape.

Long story short, this lassie fancied this guy but he didn't want to know, anyway after he'd got married & had a kid, she came out with historical rape allegations, guy was arrested and named, lost his job, his wife, kid, home, was beat up, he lost everything, absolutely everything, then the accusor gave an oscar winning performance in court and the guy got convicted and sentenced to however many years it was in jail.

 

About a year or so into his sentence she started to brag about how she'd got an innocent man jailed and how people had better watch out or she'd do the same to them.  Eventually it was she that got the jail for perverting the course of justice and the guy's conviction was quashed, but the damage had been done, his whole life was ruined.  And worst of all even although she was convicted and jailed she was still allowed her anonymity throughout, even to this day her identity is secret, although I think she was named locally.

 

 

 

 

I think cases like that and this one will ultimately lead to anonymity for those accused to be honest. 

[Cade]

Being found not guilty doesn't mean you were framed by a liar.

In fact, it doesn't even mean that you didn't DO the crime, just that the prosecution could not prove to the required judicial standard that you DID do it.

 

"innocent until proven guilty" isn't how the public thinks.

The public are, collectively, stupid. 

"no smoke without fire" is how the moron public views criminal cases, and that simple fact means that as soon as your name is out there in connection with a crime, you're assumed to be bang to rights in the eyes of the public, even if found not guilty.

Naming the accused can cause irreparable harm to them, even if they are acquitted.

 

Accused persons should be anonymous until convicted, THEN the names can be released.

 

[Dawnrazor]

6 hours ago, Vlad Magic said:

Pumpable?

Aye.

Edited March 15, 2023 by Dawnrazor

[Jambo-Jimbo]

12 minutes ago, Cade said:

Being found not guilty doesn't mean you were framed by a liar.

In fact, it doesn't even mean that you didn't DO the crime, just that the prosecution could not prove to the required judicial standard that you DID do it.

 

"innocent until proven guilty" isn't how the public thinks.

The public are, collectively, stupid. 

"no smoke without fire" is how the moron public views criminal cases, and that simple fact means that as soon as your name is out there in connection with a crime, you're assumed to be bang to rights in the eyes of the public, even if found not guilty.

Naming the accused can cause irreparable harm to them, even if they are acquitted.

 

Accused persons should be anonymous until convicted, THEN the names can be released.

 

 

100% this, and as for that no smoke without fire shite, sometimes there wasn't even any smoke to start with, not that that deteres joe public from just making stuff up.

 

The recent Nicola Bulley case is a prime example of the shite some members of the public come out with.

[Unknown user]

8 hours ago, Vlad Magic said:

Pumpable?

She just accused you of rape for that

[doctor jambo]

22 hours ago, Victorian said:

 

Well,  naw,  but sort of.  

 

This woman is clearly profoundly troubled.  Somewhere on a spectrum of mental illness.  So yes,  maybe detained in a state hospital,  assessed,  diagnosed if there is something to diagnose,  treated if treatable,  etc.

 

But the severe deterrent against this kind of crime is essential and should never be compromised by possible bogus or mistaken mitigations.

 

Where is the distinction?

You wouldn’t say that about a guy …..

men bad - women troubled.

Men criminals , women Unwell.

 

[Victorian]

17 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

You wouldn’t say that about a guy …..

men bad - women troubled.

Men criminals , women Unwell.

 

 

I'll decide what I would,  wouldn't,  might say. 

 

In this context I would tend to view both a man and woman in the same way.  This person is guilty of perverting the course of justice and the consequences were truly horrendous.  There must be a severe penalty to deter against this type of crime.  But this person,  a woman but a man would make no difference,  is mentally troubled in some way.  Who melts themselves about the coupon with a hammer in a coldly calculated,  rational,  well adjusted mindset?

 

It's a tricky one but we allow some safeguards against prosecution to mentally ill people,  or people who were not fit to possess criminal responsibility in this country.  I think some people may fall between the cracks between the force of the law and the safeguards of the law.

Edited March 15, 2023 by Victorian

[Bindy Badgy]

Police have released some videos.

[That thing you do]

On 14/03/2023 at 16:19, Ray Gin said:

 

 Incredible the amount of carnage one lunatic can cause with their lies.

 

 

 

It isnt hard though.

 

Accusers get anonymity, accused persons rarely do. Damage gets done "no smoke without fire" and the vigilantes have a go on top. This is why as hard as it is when theres real abuse both identities should be protected until the judgement of the case.

 

Shes ruined a number of lives and deserves a lot longer in jail in my opinion.

[John Findlay]

On 14/03/2023 at 18:36, Cade said:

Eleanor Williams, a 22-year-old woman who lied about being the victim of a sex grooming gang, has been sentenced to 8 and a half years in prison.

 

She chose her victims seemingly at random, accusing several Asian business owners in the local area of being in a grooming gang.

She even went so far as to buy a hammer and attack herself with it, nearly severing a finger in an attempt to frame the men.

A social media post of her injuries and lies went viral, hate crimes in the area rose, businesses had their windows smashed, innocent men and their families were subjected to death threats and three of the framed men attempted suicide.

151 crimes were linked to the case.
Families had to leave town.

One innocent man spent 73 days on remand before being cleared.

A charity group "Justice for Ellie" was formed and was selling merchandise.

Rallies and marches in her name took place up and down the nation as people thought there was a Police cover up of the sex gang.

All based on lies.

 

When the Police started suspecting that all was not as it seemed, she began making fake profiles of the men on different websites, even creating entirely fictional characters in an attempt to manufacture evidence to support her lies.

She had more than 6 mobile phones and countless email addresses.

She also stared "going missing" after Police first began investigating her in an attempt to play the mental health card.

Often, she was found in various towns and villages in the area, coked aff her nut.

She gave Police a list of 60 girls, who she claimed were also victims of the fictional sex gang.

These girls were very surprised when the Police came round to ask them about the case. Not one of them had been the victim of any sex gang.

Ellie even claimed that she and her sister had been abducted and taken to Amsterdam by a sex gang.

In fact, the two girls went there together, for her sister's 18th birthday.

Her sister was a prosecution witness.

 

She pretended to have had a baby.
She pretended to have been in a coma after having had a back-street abortion.

More lies.

 

The damage this girl has done cannot be understated.

She ruined countless lives in the area, causing deep scars to her victims and their families that may never be healed.

She inflamed racial tensions and mistrust of the Police. Possibly making investigating actual grooming gangs harder in the future.
She will cast doubt on sex gang cases, as the defence will simply paint the victims of these gangs as "another Ellie, making stuff up"

Victims may be reluctant to come forward now because of this.

 

IMHO, she should have got Twenty years at the least.

[frankblack]

6 hours ago, That thing you do said:

It isnt hard though.

 

Accusers get anonymity, accused persons rarely do. Damage gets done "no smoke without fire" and the vigilantes have a go on top. This is why as hard as it is when theres real abuse both identities should be protected until the judgement of the case.

 

Shes ruined a number of lives and deserves a lot longer in jail in my opinion.

 

The accused life is ruined if/when their name is published.  Job will be gone, reputation shredded, and financially ruined long before any court case.  Presumption of guilty until proven innocent.  Never mind threat of vigilante groups attacking you or your property.

[Spellczech]

On 15/03/2023 at 13:56, trotter said:

I've thought and said this for years. The anonymity for victims was brought about by the thought (rightfully so) that it would encourage more people to come forward. 

 

That being said, the fact that accusers remain anonymous, yet the accused can be named on the front page the moment they are arrested, not charged, has never sat well with me. Both should be nameless until the end of the trial. If guilty, name the accused, if the accuser is found to be lying, name them. 

The Weinstein and Brand cases show that the accused being named gives other woment the confidence to come forward too. Thus the real perverts/abusers are more likely to go down...

 

Does of course bring out some loonies and chancers too...

[Lone Striker]

43 minutes ago, Spellczech said:

The Weinstein and Brand cases show that the accused being named gives other woment the confidence to come forward too. Thus the real perverts/abusers are more likely to go down...

 

Does of course bring out some loonies and chancers too...

This woman seems to be at the extreme end of attention-seeking and/or self-loathing  syndromes (or whatever the proper psychology description of them are).    

 

Carl Beech was another fantasist who decided to jump on the  elite child abuse bandwagon as a victim - god knows why, especially when the police eventually discovered his own criminal activity  with young children.    Self-loathing  seemed to be part of his personality too.

 

 

[Bindy Badgy]

1 hour ago, Spellczech said:

The Weinstein and Brand cases show that the accused being named gives other woment the confidence to come forward too. Thus the real perverts/abusers are more likely to go down...

 

Does of course bring out some loonies and chancers too...

 

Apparently, some people that complained about Saville whilst he was still alive were unaware that others had also put in complaints. If the complaints had been publicised more people might have come forward and he might have been prosecuted.

 

As others have stated, the flip side is that innocent people can have their names dragged through the mud.

 

It's a difficult topic to navigate with no easy answers.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

11 hours ago, frankblack said:

 

The accused life is ruined if/when their name is published.  Job will be gone, reputation shredded, and financially ruined long before any court case.  Presumption of guilty until proven innocent.  Never mind threat of vigilante groups attacking you or your property.

 

Always remember a case in Carlisle a number of years ago, where everything of the above happened.

A woman who was besotted with this guy cried rape when she couldn't have him, completely made up allegations, anyway he was named, lost his job, his home, his wife and kid then he got jailed.  When he was in jail, she fell out with some other guy or something like that and threatend to do the same to them what she'd done to him, and admitted to another friend that she'd made the whole thing up.  Took years before the guy's conviction was quashed and she got jailed for perjury etc but still kept her anonymity throughout.

 

So yeh that guys whole life was completely ruined with just one false allegation from a jealous nutter, whom it appears was of the mindset that if she couldn't have him nobody else was going to have him.

[Spellczech]

57 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Always remember a case in Carlisle a number of years ago, where everything of the above happened.

A woman who was besotted with this guy cried rape when she couldn't have him, completely made up allegations, anyway he was named, lost his job, his home, his wife and kid then he got jailed.  When he was in jail, she fell out with some other guy or something like that and threatend to do the same to them what she'd done to him, and admitted to another friend that she'd made the whole thing up.  Took years before the guy's conviction was quashed and she got jailed for perjury etc but still kept her anonymity throughout.

 

So yeh that guys whole life was completely ruined with just one false allegation from a jealous nutter, whom it appears was of the mindset that if she couldn't have him nobody else was going to have him.

You already posted this on 15 March 2023 above. 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 hour ago, Spellczech said:

You already posted this on 15 March 2023 above. 

 

So I did, thought I'd wrote it somewhere but couldn't remember where.

[John Findlay]

Watched the BBC2 documentary the other night. It was her grooming men and not the other way round. 

She should be doing 20 years at the least.

[manaliveits105]

The charity group and marchers should have been jailed  too