Vivienne Westwood RIP.

[Dawnrazor]

A very influential women in fasion and music.

[The Real Maroonblood]

A real character.

RiP.

[JudyJudyJudy]

That’s.sad news . She was a great outre designer 

[Captain Slog]

Met her in a shop, somewhere close to Soho, in early nineties, partner was learning fashion design at the time.

 

Clockwork orange, then her and Mclaren made a few things possible like punk, goth etc.

 

Some outrageous designs.  At that time we lived in a big house owned by Michael Fish who invented the kipper tie, also very outre.

 

Nineties London was very different from Edinburgh James, was before the likes of Havana,  I'd generally go partying and vacate the digs for a night if Mr Fish said he was having a party that weekend, all the furniture got removed and it was all men.  Kitchen had a bouncer that sold beer (and other things) - i got irate when i had to argue if i had mcewans export in the fridge.

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 hours ago, Captain Slog said:

Met her in a shop, somewhere close to Soho, in early nineties, partner was learning fashion design at the time.

 

Clockwork orange, then her and Mclaren made a few things possible like punk, goth etc.

 

Some outrageous designs.  At that time we lived in a big house owned by Michael Fish who invented the kipper tie, also very outre.

 

Nineties London was very different from Edinburgh James, was before the likes of Havana,  I'd generally go partying and vacate the digs for a night if Mr Fish said he was having a party that weekend, all the furniture got removed and it was all men.  Kitchen had a bouncer that sold beer (and other things) - i got irate when i had to argue if i had mcewans export in the fridge.

Omg when I read that initially I thought you meant Michael fish the weather man and was  thinking wtf 

 

 

honestly 

 

 

😂 

 

anyway 

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 hours ago, Captain Slog said:

Met her in a shop, somewhere close to Soho, in early nineties, partner was learning fashion design at the time.

 

Clockwork orange, then her and Mclaren made a few things possible like punk, goth etc.

 

Some outrageous designs.  At that time we lived in a big house owned by Michael Fish who invented the kipper tie, also very outre.

 

Nineties London was very different from Edinburgh James, was before the likes of Havana,  I'd generally go partying and vacate the digs for a night if Mr Fish said he was having a party that weekend, all the furniture got removed and it was all men.  Kitchen had a bouncer that sold beer (and other things) - i got irate when i had to argue if i had mcewans export in the fridge.

Ps why was all the furniture removed ? 😂 oh yes I recall London in my gay hey days, mid 80s to early 90s ! Loved it 

[Victorian]

8 hours ago, Captain Slog said:

Met her in a shop, somewhere close to Soho, in early nineties, partner was learning fashion design at the time.

 

Clockwork orange, then her and Mclaren made a few things possible like punk, goth etc.

 

Some outrageous designs.  At that time we lived in a big house owned by Michael Fish who invented the kipper tie, also very outre.

 

Nineties London was very different from Edinburgh James, was before the likes of Havana,  I'd generally go partying and vacate the digs for a night if Mr Fish said he was having a party that weekend, all the furniture got removed and it was all men.  Kitchen had a bouncer that sold beer (and other things) - i got irate when i had to argue if i had mcewans export in the fridge.

 

McLaren,  as well as VW,  didn't so much make punk happen.  More that McLaren was a bit of a spiv and saw a killing to be made.  He commercialised punk.  He created a brand of punk that was contrived and mainstream,  while claiming to be authentic,  counter-culture.  

 

Punk,  the music,  already existed.  He had even managed The New York Dolls before UK punk began.  The music would have happened with or without McLaren and Westwood.  They just wanted a vehicle to market clothes.

Edited December 30, 2022 by Victorian

[The new West End]

Saw.one of her fashion shows in the hacienda

Amazing creations 

[frankblack]

4 hours ago, Victorian said:

 

McLaren,  as well as VW,  didn't so much make punk happen.  More that McLaren was a bit of a spiv and saw a killing to be made.  He commercialised punk.  He created a brand of punk that was contrived and mainstream,  while claiming to be authentic,  counter-culture.  

 

Punk,  the music,  already existed.  He had even managed The New York Dolls before UK punk began.  The music would have happened with or without McLaren and Westwood.  They just wanted a vehicle to market clothes.

 

The Stooges, MC5, etc were there before New York Dolls.  As for the New York Dolls, McLaren couldn't handle them.

[felix]

13 hours ago, Victorian said:

 

McLaren,  as well as VW,  didn't so much make punk happen.  More that McLaren was a bit of a spiv and saw a killing to be made.  He commercialised punk.  He created a brand of punk that was contrived and mainstream,  while claiming to be authentic,  counter-culture.  

 

Punk,  the music,  already existed.  He had even managed The New York Dolls before UK punk began.  The music would have happened with or without McLaren and Westwood.  They just wanted a vehicle to market clothes.

 

They didn't make punk happen, they defined what it was - that was their genius.

[Tazio]

A friend’s wife worked for her as a main dressmaker in her studio back in the 80’s and  says she was alternately a nightmare, a bampot, and an absolutely lovely person. Never a dull moment. Then a few years ago when they were moving house but a bit sort on cash she remembered she had a few original dress patterns drawn by her. She sold them for thousands, with permission from the woman herself, and got thousands for them. 

[Victorian]

23 minutes ago, felix said:

 

They didn't make punk happen, they defined what it was - that was their genius.

 

In a way yes.  They contrived an image and a brand.  Genius in a way because they gained from it.  But what they created was the polar opposite of what it was claimed to be and what people believed it to be.  It was believed to be a counter-culture movement of the youth of the day.  McLaren and Westwood's creation was mainstream and commercial.  McLaren was shrewd enough to wait for a major label for The Pistols.  There was no rush to sign for an independent and get records out.  The infamous Ted Grundy show appearance made it all easy because they gained instant notoriety.  Any publicity is good publicity as they say.

[jack D and coke]

I’ve got a number of her fashion pieces but this is my favourite memory of her. 
What a lady…RIP 

[The Real Maroonblood]

9 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

I’ve got a number of her fashion pieces but this is my favourite memory of her. 
What a lady…RIP 

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