Rods Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Guys Do any of you think we may start to see a lot of African players, arrive at tynie in the coming weeks. I reckon that Vlad, has realised the Lithuanian dream has not worked. He had a few test runs with south americans, which have not come good. Bringing in Csaba, who has knowledge of the african nations. This might be the long term plan, for scottish domination. I reckon he sees african as cheap, and not tainted by the OF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Concentrating on the African market wll do us no real good. Kingston has been away too often for Internationals imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyespana Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Guys Do any of you think we may start to see a lot of African players, arrive at tynie in the coming weeks. I reckon that Vlad, has realised the Lithuanian dream has not worked. He had a few test runs with south americans, which have not come good. Bringing in Csaba, who has knowledge of the african nations. This might be the long term plan, for scottish domination. I reckon he sees african as cheap, and not tainted by the OF. Seems a good idea but the dreaded words come in to play WORK PERMIT. Grumpy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only a Game Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Guys Do any of you think we may start to see a lot of African players, arrive at tynie in the coming weeks. I reckon that Vlad, has realised the Lithuanian dream has not worked. He had a few test runs with south americans, which have not come good. Bringing in Csaba, who has knowledge of the african nations. This might be the long term plan, for scottish domination. I reckon he sees african as cheap, and not tainted by the OF. As has been said many times. The big issue with African players is getting work permits for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 As has been said many times. The big issue with African players is getting work permits for them The big issue for me OAG is the amount of games they miss each season regardless of work permits. I hope we do not go after any African players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Romanov has put too much into his pyramid system to simply abandon it and go after African players. The problem is not just Lithuanian players, its concentrating on any single nation in an attempt to discover some pot of undiscovered talent which we can sell on. It's not going to happen, if it were there far biggers clubs than Hearts would have discovered it by now. What we need is to bring in good players regardless of where they come from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 The Uganda player David Obua was on trial this week with West Ham so you'd imagine he must be of a decent standard and possibly qualifies for a work permit or holds dual passports - some decent quality African players would be okay provided they didn't cost too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Concentrating on the African market wll do us no real good. Kingston has been away too often for Internationals imo. Kingston only seems to dream about international during Hearts matches. There will be a lot of much more committed players in the African market place than Kingston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chat Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Considering Vlad had Rober over looking at the Kaunus team and the fact that McGhee was supposed to be spending 8 days out there I very much doubt he's going to drop his Lith policy any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambonian Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Concentrating on the African market wll do us no real good. Kingston has been away too often for Internationals imo. Agreed, no point bringing in Africans if they're going to be away at an important time of the season, it'll only hinder our progress if they're not here for games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only a Game Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 The Uganda player David Obua was on trial this week with West Ham so you'd imagine he must be of a decent standard and possibly qualifies for a work permit or holds dual passports - some decent quality African players would be okay provided they didn't cost too much. He doesnt qualify, we'd have to appeal a refusal. An appeal which goes to a committee nominated by the SFA. Hardly anyone from Central Africa downwards holds dual passports these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Obua says he spent some time in the USA and he managed to get into the UK for a trial with West Ham only last week so he probably has a more realistic chance than most of migrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 No point in bringing Africans? the English Premiership clubs have loads of them playing in their teams....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 No point in bringing Africans? the English Premiership clubs have loads of them playing in their teams....... But they have the resources to deal with it better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only a Game Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Obua says he spent some time in the USA and he managed to get into the UK for a trial with West Ham only last week so he probably has a more realistic chance than most of migrating. He'll have no problem getting a visa into the UK for a trial, obviously he's got that already, but he will not get a work permit for West Ham, Hearts or any other club in the UK unless they sucessfully appeal the initial refusal. He doesnt meet the criteria to get one at the first time of asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only a Game Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 No point in bringing Africans? the English Premiership clubs have loads of them playing in their teams....... Most of whom are regular internationals playing for countries in the top 80 in the ranking lists. (the criteria for getting a WP right away) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 But they have the resources to deal with it better. We should sign the best players we can afford....I'd rather have a quality african kid at right back who can only play 30 games per season and let Robbie fill in the other 8 games than Robbie play all 38 games just cos he's always available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 We should sign the best players we can afford....I'd rather have a quality african kid at right back who can only play 30 games per season and let Robbie fill in the other 8 games than Robbie play all 38 games just cos he's always available. I'd rather sign a player who has a chance of playing 38 matches a Season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 I'd rather sign a player who has a chance of playing 38 matches a Season. Even if the African / Other nation was a much better player? That doesn't make sense - it's not as if African's miss dozens of games per season if they did nobody would have them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 I'd rather have a No Neilson policy than a No African's policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 I was having a debate with an older Jambo in the Roseburn bar this afternoon, his view is totally against VR. We were taking about how much control the new man will have, after about 30 minutes of trying to convince him to give it a chance and see, he came out with 'so if he has full control we'll be filled with 2nd rate Ugandans' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 I was having a debate with an older Jambo in the Roseburn bar this afternoon, his view is totally against VR. We were taking about how much control the new man will have, after about 30 minutes of trying to convince him to give it a chance and see, he came out with 'so if he has full control we'll be filled with 2nd rate Ugandans' They would probably be better than third rate Lithuanians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 I was having a debate with an older Jambo in the Roseburn bar this afternoon, his view is totally against VR. We were taking about how much control the new man will have, after about 30 minutes of trying to convince him to give it a chance and see, he came out with 'so if he has full control we'll be filled with 2nd rate Ugandans' I am afraid there are some who will only look at the bad side. They won't be happy until we fail and they can say told you so. Thankfully most of us want to see success that we can all enjoy together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Even if the African / Other nation was a much better player? That doesn't make sense - it's not as if African's miss dozens of games per season if they did nobody would have them. I think you have to weigh up a lot of factors NMH. Eg If we are cost cutting then we will be working with a very tight squad. We will have no room for players who will miss several matches due to Internationals. We need to give ourself the best chance of putting our best team on the park every week. That has been a major problem for us in the past 2 seasons. Africans and South Americans should be a no no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PresidentRomanov Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 I think you have to weigh up a lot of factors NMH. Eg If we are cost cutting then we will be working with a very tight squad. We will have no room for players who will miss several matches due to Internationals. We need to give ourself the best chance of putting our best team on the park every week. That has been a major problem for us in the past 2 seasons. Africans and South Americans should be a no no. I agree Drylaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 They would probably be better than third rate Lithuanians.They probably would:) But the moral of the story is that there will be fans unhappy no matter what:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rods Posted July 12, 2008 Author Share Posted July 12, 2008 They probably would:) But the moral of the story is that there will be fans unhappy no matter what:rolleyes: Never a truer word spoken. Your team cant win everytime. That is Football, Highs and Lows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 I think you have to weigh up a lot of factors NMH. Eg If we are cost cutting then we will be working with a very tight squad. We will have no room for players who will miss several matches due to Internationals. We need to give ourself the best chance of putting our best team on the park every week. That has been a major problem for us in the past 2 seasons. Africans and South Americans should be a no no. I don't think we should be filling the team with Africans or South Americans but we shouldn't rule out signing them either, it depends on their individual ability and personality ie how committed they are - Camazolla had a good attitude / Pinilla had the worst traits imaginable......Ajax when they won the Champions League in 1995 had 9 home produced Dutch players but they also had 2 Nigerians Kanu & Finidi George whom they'd signed as relative unknowns for peanuts so I don't think we should ever rule them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 I don't think we should be filling the team with Africans or South Americans but we shouldn't rule out signing them either, it depends on their individual ability and personality ie how committed they are - Camazolla had a good attitude / Pinilla had the worst traits imaginable......Ajax when they won the Champions League in 1995 had 9 home produced Dutch players but they also had 2 Nigerians Kanu & Finidi George whom they'd signed as relative unknowns for peanuts so I don't think we should ever rule them out. 1 or 2 would probably be ok NMH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 The most important thing is that the player is hungry and does not see Tynecastle as a place to pick up easy money and to sit in the comfort zone. Pretty sure I read that South Americans were off the menu with the Scandinavian market now being looked at. Again, I will say punt Kingston. Take da money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Again, I will say punt Kingston. Take da money. With a coach that knows the African mentality, it might be worth keeping him on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 With a coach that knows the African mentality, it might be worth keeping him on. Would still punt him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Rob Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Definitely WOULDN'T get rid of Kingston right now. So far he has only shown ability in flashes, but that was under a succession of hapless coaches (no disrespect to Shaggy, but he was more the players' mate than their boss). He may look twice the player with some proper direction. If he still looks lazy and half-interested by January, punt him then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Would still punt him. So would I. 18 months here and very little return imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 I'm with Doc Rob on this one - give Csaba till January to see if he can improve Kingston's productivity if not then sell him.....we'll have to sell him next summer anyway unless we want his contract to expire in 2010.....Kingston playing & playing well would attract much better bids than he would just now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie Masterton Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 I believe we will be concentrating on the Scandinavian market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 I believe we will be concentrating on the Scandinavian market.There could be some gems there Dougie:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 I believe we will be concentrating on the Scandinavian market. The Icelandic kids we've signed look promising players whilst Celtic had a good one in Bjarnason but he hardly got a look in and they sold him to Norway for ?250K ..... Northern European's like Scandinavians & Baltic players have a better mentality to settle in Scotland than 'warmer weather' players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chat Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Definitely WOULDN'T get rid of Kingston right now. So far he has only shown ability in flashes, but that was under a succession of hapless coaches (no disrespect to Shaggy, but he was more the players' mate than their boss). He may look twice the player with some proper direction. If he still looks lazy and half-interested by January, punt him then. I'd go with that. Kingston has the talent to rip sides apart single-handedly but his application is poor. If he doesn't start giving 100% I'd punt him in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 I believe we will be concentrating on the Scandinavian market. This was rumoured to be the market they were targeting a few weeks ago. But since we have a new Manager I'm hopeful he have his own ideas of who we should be targeting. Unless its Youth Players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 The Icelandic kids we've signed look promising players whilst Celtic had a good one in Bjarnason but he hardly got a look in and they sold him to Norway for ?250K ..... Northern European's like Scandinavians & Baltic players have a better mentality to settle in Scotland than 'warmer weather' players. Like Africans or South Americans ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Like Africans or South Americans ? Camazolla liked it so much here he even went to Norway .....Velicka liked it here so much he came back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny Factor Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 I'd go with that. Kingston has the talent to rip sides apart single-handedly but his application is poor. If he doesn't start giving 100% I'd punt him in January. That's assuming some team will take him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 I'm with Doc Rob on this one - give Csaba till January to see if he can improve Kingston's productivity if not then sell him.....we'll have to sell him next summer anyway unless we want his contract to expire in 2010.....Kingston playing & playing well would attract much better bids than he would just now. Who will buy him? I thought that the idea was that after starring in the ANC he would be getting Premiership club bids? Has there been any speculation about him this summer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Who will buy him? I thought that the idea was that after starring in the ANC he would be getting Premiership club bids? Has there been any speculation about him this summer? There was some rubbish on football rumours that Newcastle & the Old Firm were interested but I think he'll have to put in some decent form for us before we'll get any decent interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Lithuania Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 I was having a debate with an older Jambo in the Roseburn bar this afternoon, his view is totally against VR. We were taking about how much control the new man will have, after about 30 minutes of trying to convince him to give it a chance and see, he came out with 'so if he has full control we'll be filled with 2nd rate Ugandans' Like this guy lol fonejacker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 There was some rubbish on football rumours that Newcastle & the Old Firm were interested but I think he'll have to put in some decent form for us before we'll get any decent interest. It is effort and application he has to put in, in my opinion. Show he can be a team player instead of only playing for himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 It is effort and application he has to put in, in my opinion. Show he can be a team player instead of only playing for himself. Bingo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 There could be some gems there Dougie:) Absolutely! We could get the new Hans Eskillson or Harald Bratbakk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Absolutely! We could get the new Hans Eskillson or Harald Bratbakk I'll raise you a Bo-Anderson and a Gottskaltsken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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