davemclaren Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 11 minutes ago, Tasavallan said: Incompetent, yes. Biased, not really. However when officiating at Ibrox or Parkhead with 60K fanatics baying for your blood your decision is affected. The same at away games where their more noisy individuals fuelled on Buckfast attend. Difficult to stay unbiased on feeble money. Indeed. I feel it favours us when playing smaller opposition as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 14 minutes ago, Tasavallan said: Incompetent, yes. Biased, not really. However when officiating at Ibrox or Parkhead with 60K fanatics baying for your blood your decision is affected. The same at away games where their more noisy individuals fuelled on Buckfast attend. Difficult to stay unbiased on feeble money. Justification for us cutting OF ticket allocation at Tynecastle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Fraggle said: I only seen the article the other day, and for the life of me I can't remember if it was the BBC or elsewhere? Up here it will be used in the top division only, paid for on a sliding scale fee depending on league position. From what I could gather (and the bit that really scared me) the VAR studio is at Hampden, and will be operated by both current and ex Grade 1 refs (wonder who they could be, and all from!!) In regards to the comments on podcast and other media, I suspect they are suggesting that they don't want to see VAR popping up every 2 seconds, nitpicking at every decision, like down south and elsewhere. Ultimately, these people will just want to make sure that the status quo is kept, and decisions in favour of two certain teams increased. IMO, those that are suggesting VAR up here will solve current issues with refereeing are going to be in for a nasty shock. Yeah, hard to disagree. TBH when I've heard it said (that it is used differently)... or ' as long as we use it the same way as Germany', they never follow it up with how 'Germany' actually use it... so you may well be right. I'm with you with regards to Hampden, VAR should ne manned at an undisclosed site by (preferably) non-Scottish refs. However, if I could have put money on it - Hampden manned by our own Grade 1's - would have been my bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 VAR in Scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts1975 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 7 hours ago, Tasavallan said: Incompetent, yes. Biased, not really. However when officiating at Ibrox or Parkhead with 60K fanatics baying for your blood your decision is affected. The same at away games where their more noisy individuals fuelled on Buckfast attend. Difficult to stay unbiased on feeble money. Fair enough. You make a reasonable point in respect of their decision making being impacted by the hoardes. I have just seen far to many instances of refereeing incompetence against us, and over the years, to think that on occasion bias hasn't played a part and especially playing either side of the OF. I guess other supporters of other clubs may argue the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoked-Glass Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 VAR = GTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Smoked-Glass Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Smoked-Glass said: Levein got fined for his comments here. SFA are corrupt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex member of the SaS Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 19 hours ago, Fraggle said: I only seen the article the other day, and for the life of me I can't remember if it was the BBC or elsewhere? Up here it will be used in the top division only, paid for on a sliding scale fee depending on league position. From what I could gather (and the bit that really scared me) the VAR studio is at Hampden, and will be operated by both current and ex Grade 1 refs (wonder who they could be, and all from!!) In regards to the comments on podcast and other media, I suspect they are suggesting that they don't want to see VAR popping up every 2 seconds, nitpicking at every decision, like down south and elsewhere. Ultimately, these people will just want to make sure that the status quo is kept, and decisions in favour of two certain teams increased. IMO, those that are suggesting VAR up here will solve current issues with refereeing are going to be in for a nasty shock. If they are going to use existing refs where will they get them from as most if not all are at games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraggle Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 3 hours ago, Ex member of the SaS said: If they are going to use existing refs where will they get them from as most if not all are at games. That's a good point. Got to assume that a the grade 1 refs won't be out at games, and the ex grade 1s will mostly be used at VAR Central. Either way, it's got Poundland VAR written all over it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 Fine margins today. Penalty to Celtic and offside winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 Vote due tomorrow by all 42 clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One five Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 I hate VAR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 Definitely need VAR but there is a culture of change is bad in Scottish football so will probably not happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newton51 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Footballfirst said: Vote due tomorrow by all 42 clubs. What happens if lower leagues vote against it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Newton51 said: What happens if lower leagues vote against it Nothing. The status quo would continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, Diadora Van Basten said: Definitely need VAR but there is a culture of change is bad in Scottish football so will probably not happen. I see no prospect of VAR being implemented honestly when Beaton, asst ref & 4th official all had a pefect view of what should have been a 2nd red for Hibs and shat the bed. If the 4th official didn't tell Beaton that on Saturday we're doomed - and Beaton didn't make his decision until long after the event and a long conversation with somebody over his mic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 Just now, NANOJAMBO said: I see no prospect of VAR being implemented honestly when Beaton, asst ref & 4th official all had a pefect view of what should have been a 2nd red for Hibs and shat the bed. If the 4th official didn't tell Beaton that on Saturday we're doomed - and Beaton didn't make his decision until long after the event and a long conversation with somebody over his mic. I think there are plenty of examples in England of a yellow card being upgraded to red due to VAR. If the ref has chance to watch the challenge again and apply the criteria for a red card then I am sure that the yellow on Saturday would have been upgraded to a red. As it was the referee wasn’t sure and on that basis gave a yellow which although the wrong decision was the right thing to do if he wasn’t sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, Diadora Van Basten said: I think there are plenty of examples in England of a yellow card being upgraded to red due to VAR. If the ref has chance to watch the challenge again and apply the criteria for a red card then I am sure that the yellow on Saturday would have been upgraded to a red. As it was the referee wasn’t sure and on that basis gave a yellow which although the wrong decision was the right thing to do if he wasn’t sure. The speed of it and Beaton's view its a yellow. He wasn't close enough to see it properly. Why the refs want VAR. Not sure what the refs will do if its not agreed. They become 2nd class referees in Europe and World terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newton51 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Footballfirst said: Nothing. The status quo would continue. They will vote against it but there won’t be var in Lower leagues so not sure why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire_At_The_Disco Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Today is the day Scottish clubs vote on var. If the vote is successful it will be paid for on a sliding scale with teams higher in the league paying more. It will be introduced after the World Cup Final in December if it goes through. Thoughts ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAndy Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 I am a bit Meh about VAR. I get it when it corrects obvious mistakes but I hate the thought of taking the spontaneity out of the big moments in games like celebrating a goal when it hits the net only to have that quashed because someone's toenail was offside. I also think that despite VAR the OF will still benefit from the big decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Landmesser Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Get it to fk. Spend the money on full-time referees first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoked-Glass Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, August Landmesser said: Get it to fk. Spend the money on full-time referees first. Great post. Can I add that we should get refs from England or Wales so they can't be old squirm related (or any other club for that matter) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaShango Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 I have no faith that the refs up here will implement it properly. It could turn into an absolute shambles. Down south you have screens telling fans what is being checked. Not many have that here so the fans will be left wondering what the heck is going on half the time. I do think it's going to pass though and we will get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 13 minutes ago, Fire_At_The_Disco said: Today is the day Scottish clubs vote on var. If the vote is successful it will be paid for on a sliding scale with teams higher in the league paying more. It will be introduced after the World Cup Final in December if it goes through. Thoughts ? I have a hunch, just a hunch, but those that pay more will get more decisions in their favour. So for us. No decisions in favour against the uglies, but loads in favour against the rest. Let's see shall we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Seems strange that it will be implemented after the WC, after the season has already started. No doubt there will be retrospective finger pointing about decisions prior to implementation compared to those post introduction of VAR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Hopefully it gets the vote, we need to move with the times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleLafferty Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 For VAR to get the green light it requires 75 per cent of the Premiership, 75 per cent of the Championship and also three-quarters of League One and Two combined to vote in favour. We need it installed regardless cause of our European adventures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambostuart Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 75 percent of 10 doesn't go? How does it work in the Championship? 7 teams need to say yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkishcap Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Why is it if our referees ref abroad why dont we get foreign refs to our game. Cant mind but one of the semi refs had just done a game in Greece Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 (edited) I think I am right in saying we are one of the only main leagues in Europe not to have VAR. Its absolutely inevitable it will come in here at some point so we should bite the bullet and get on with it. However I don’t agree with introducing it half way through a season, that’s seems crazy to me and compromises the integrity of the league. Either bring it in for the start of next season or wait till the following season. Edited April 19, 2022 by Brighton Jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...andFulton'sBaggio Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 I hate VAR. Sucks all the joy out of scoring a goal / ruins the flow of the game / you never know if a penalty will stand so you can't really celebrate. All for what? Some decisions they get right, others they don't. Plus the whole offside by half a millimetres thing is BS. Please, please don't let it come to Scotland! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
campbell Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 I’ve always been an advocate of VAR over the years even with it’s teething problems (many of which are due to the way laws are written or the the way the refs use VAR) however I don’t want it in Scottish football while we have this level or refereeing, it’s just crazy not to improve that first. I also find it mind blowing that it could be introduced during a season! I wonder what genius came up with that idea! It yet again makes the league look amateur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyK82 Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 (edited) All 12 Prem clubs have voted yes according to DR Edited April 19, 2022 by MattyK82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 I'm only in favour if big screens are installed in the stadiums so the public can see fair play in action. If not we are waiting around on the self important prick becoming an even more self important prick by keeping us all waiting for a decision we can't witness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FC Wacker München Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Rest assured, Scottish football will become even more of a shambles once it’s introduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 27 minutes ago, jambostuart said: 75 percent of 10 doesn't go? How does it work in the Championship? 7 teams need to say yes? 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 31 minutes ago, KyleLafferty said: For VAR to get the green light it requires 75 per cent of the Premiership, 75 per cent of the Championship and also three-quarters of League One and Two combined to vote in favour. We need it installed regardless cause of our European adventures. Dont think VAR is in operation in conference league (doesn’t matter we’re gonna make it to Europa League) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasavallan Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 9 minutes ago, Turkishcap said: Why is it if our referees ref abroad why dont we get foreign refs to our game. Cant mind but one of the semi refs had just done a game in Greece WE had European refs during the strike in 2010 over the Dougie McDonald lying fiasco. Officials were brought in from: Malta, Israel, Poland, Portugal and Luxembourg. The EPL have Jarred Gillet from Australia officiate games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherbet Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 1 hour ago, August Landmesser said: Get it to fk. Spend the money on full-time referees first. Why would we give corrupt referees more money. Better spent flying in foreign referees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasavallan Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, luckydug said: I'm only in favour if big screens are installed in the stadiums so the public can see fair play in action. If not we are waiting around on the self important prick becoming an even more self important prick by keeping us all waiting for a decision we can't witness. Unlike in England, VAR will be supervised by Hampden and results kept in a closed darkened room somewhere within the stadium. In England the VAR official(s) are known, in Scotland it will be a bit like the Pools Panel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neverforgetfiveone Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 1 hour ago, August Landmesser said: Get it to fk. Spend the money on full-time referees first. Valid point 🤔👏🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIO Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 36 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said: I think I am right in saying we are one of the only main leagues in Europe not to have VAR. Its absolutely inevitable it will come in here at some point so we should bite the bullet and get on with it. However I don’t agree with introducing it half way through a season, that’s seems crazy to me and compromises the integrity of the league. Either bring it in for the start of next season or wait till the following season. Mate said the other week that Malta have VAR, so we seem to be out of step with even the smaller leagues in Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Hans Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Stirling Albion consulted their fans before casting their vote today. 79% in favour. If that's anything to go by then it's likely it'll be passed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jock _turd Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 It is not the VAR that bothers me it is those who are making the VAR descions . For example one of the uglie score a goal with dubious offside... is it going to be looked at openly? Or are they just going to say nothing to see here. Ref called back to look at a possible red card VAR is he going to change his call or is the possible red card going to be called by the VAR team ? We know Scottish football is bent and always will be is VAR really going to change that? Personally I really doubt it. I forsee lots of VAR problems just at the right time to get the OF teams off the hook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 100% for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 14 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said: 100% for it. It would be odd, and a very backward move, to vote against it. Still not over the moon about some of the ways it is used but it is the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 1 minute ago, jonesy said: Any chance we could ask for a video review of Maloney's sacking and get it overturned? 🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, davemclaren said: It would be odd, and a very backward move, to vote against it. Still not over the moon about some of the ways it is used but it is the future. Depends how it’s used. Cast our minds back to the euro’s in the summer and the way it was operated was good. Not telling anyone or showing anyone when checks were going on, made you forget it was there until a genuine decision needed to be made. I’ve watched a lot of European football and it isn’t consistent through any of the leagues. Serie A is probably the worst operated league I’ve seen. Even the EPL I don’t agree with showing replays on big screens etc. If it is an in the background thing, great. If it is gonna be the forefront and a tool for us to sit and scrutinise our referees for absolutely everything they get wrong then I’m not as for it. It’s there to help them at the end of the day and let’s not forget our referees aren’t even full time. They need as much support as they can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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