Byyy The Light Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 10 hours ago, Footballfirst said: Directors of football, sports scientists, performance analysts, video analysts, conditioning coaches, coach development managers etc. are all in vogue just now and Hearts have gone all in. None of those actually play the game so can't actually influence the outcome of any game once it's underway. The point I would make is that, unless the team on the park improves, then that investment will be questionable. Let's hope that, come the end of the season, there will be no questions asked about the cost of all the backroom staff at Riccarton. True story from just a few weeks ago. The head of academy recruitment at Manchester United was talking to Sir Alex Ferguson and bemoaning the fact that all these analysts were getting in the way of coaching and developing players, with all their stats and profiling of potential recruits. Sir Alex responded in his own inimitable style "Aye, if they had been around in my day, we would never have signed thon' wee ginger heided laddie with asthma" (He was referring to Paul Scholes). We can’t underestimate the impact of being seen to do these things. Potential recruits getting shown these things will be impressed and can be the tipping point if up against the likes of Aberdeen and Hibs for a player. The likes of Alex Cochrane coming on loan from a premier league club maybe thinking Scottish football is tinpot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, davemclaren said: Are there any more now than under the last season under CL? Club secretaries and Trainers probably said the same thing when managers and coaches were introduced. 😉 Unfortunately, it's difficult to make the comparison over the last three seasons, partly because of Covid, Hearts demotion, a year in the Championship and now back in the Premiership. What is clear is that the "football department" numbers increased significantly during CL's time, which is when Hearts increased investment in backroom staff, but league positions deteriorated year on year. The numbers available in the accounts show that the number of staff went down during the Championship season, but I assume will have grown again this season. The accounts only give a figure for "Players, coaching and football support staff". 2013/14 - 67 (admin season) 2014/15 - 79 (Championship) 2015/16 - 95 (Premiership) 2016/17 - 104 2017/18 - 116 2018/19 - 122 2019/20 - 114 2020/21 - 89 (Championship) 2021/22 - ? Edited January 24, 2022 by Footballfirst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Fredrickson Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/roger-arnott-departs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 9 minutes ago, Carl Fredrickson said: https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/roger-arnott-departs That's a pretty bland statement from the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Fredrickson Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: That's a pretty bland statement from the club. Maybe no love lost. Very straight to the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Carl Fredrickson said: Maybe no love lost. Very straight to the point. We don't know any of the whys or wherefores behind the decision to let him go/sack him, but as you suggest the parting may not have been on amicable terms.. All I've heard was that he had a 20 minute chat with Joe Savage and was escorted off the premises shortly thereafter. I saw that type of thing happen with people being made redundant during my working career, when I was with IBM. It's not a nice way to treat employees. Edited January 24, 2022 by Footballfirst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Fredrickson Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: We don't know any of the whys or wherefores behind the decision to let him go/sack him, but as you suggest the parting may not have been on amicable terms.. All I've heard was that he had a 20 minute chat with Joe Savage and was escorted off the premises shortly thereafter. I saw that type of thing happen with people being made redundant during my working career, when I was with IBM. It's not a nice way to treat employees. It sounds strange to me that someone would be escorted off the premises shortly afterwards unless something serious happened. Normally in sports there is the opportunity to say farewell to players and/or staff. Onwards and upwards (hopefully) for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 36 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: Unfortunately, it's difficult to make the comparison over the last three seasons, partly because of Covid, Hearts demotion, a year in the Championship and now back in the Premiership. What is clear is that the "football department" numbers increased significantly during CL's time, which is when Hearts increased investment in backroom staff, but league positions deteriorated year on year. The numbers available in the accounts show that the number of staff went down during the Championship season, but I assume will have grown again this season. The accounts only give a figure for "Players, coaching and football support staff". 2013/14 - 67 (admin season) 2014/15 - 79 (Championship) 2015/16 - 95 (Premiership) 2016/17 - 104 2017/18 - 116 2018/19 - 122 2019/20 - 114 2020/21 - 89 (Championship) 2021/22 - ? Interesting, one to watch going forward. Thanks. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 50 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: We don't know any of the whys or wherefores behind the decision to let him go/sack him, but as you suggest the parting may not have been on amicable terms.. All I've heard was that he had a 20 minute chat with Joe Savage and was escorted off the premises shortly thereafter. I saw that type of thing happen with people being made redundant during my working career, when I was with IBM. It's not a nice way to treat employees. That is surprising. Is a bit rough doing it that way. Guess we will never know the reasons behind it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain ferguson Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 He certainly wasn’t being escorted off the premises when he walked past me heading to the exit at the Oriam on Friday just before 5pm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 7 minutes ago, iain ferguson said: He certainly wasn’t being escorted off the premises when he walked past me heading to the exit at the Oriam on Friday just before 5pm. I'm only reporting what I was told by someone with links to the academy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain ferguson Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 No problem and appreciate you are only sharing what you have been told FF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 28 minutes ago, iain ferguson said: No problem and appreciate you are only sharing what you have been told FF. Coincidentally, I've just had a update with conflicting information, advising that it was both performance related and the result of a "restructuring exercise". Roger was apparently aware that this review was being undertaken. If his departure was a "sacking" for performance reasons then it should have been the culmination of a disciplinary process, otherwise it could go to an employment tribunal. Alternatively, if it was a "redundancy" as part of a restructuring exercise, then that would make more sense, although I'm sure that anyone who loses their job in that way will feel as if they have been "sacked". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Sanchez Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Here's a clip of the technique used by Joe in meetings with Murray and Arnott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain ferguson Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 35 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: Alternatively, if it was a "redundancy" as part of a restructuring exercise, then that would make more sense, although I'm sure that anyone who loses their job in that way will feel as if they have been "sacked Thanks for the update. If it was a redundancy then there would be issues employing a replacement and would be surprised if we did not look for someone in a similar role. No doubt more will come out in the coming days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Just seen from Robbies pre-match press conference, he confirmed that Junior Mendes will be the head of performance for the academy. They already had a head of performance in Dr Bob McCunn but he will be focusing on the senior team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Factuer Moi Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/59439363 How Hearts saved themselves from disaster to become the UK's largest fan-owned club How Hearts saved themselves from disaster to become the UK's largest fan-owned club Football Focus visits Scottish Premiership side Hearts to find out how the supporters saved the club from disaster and turned it into the UK's largest fan-owned club. Watch more on Football Focus on Saturday 27 November at 12:00 GMT on BBC One, BBC iPlayer, and the BBC Sport website and app. Available to UK users only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo19 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 11 hours ago, Footballfirst said: Unfortunately, it's difficult to make the comparison over the last three seasons, partly because of Covid, Hearts demotion, a year in the Championship and now back in the Premiership. What is clear is that the "football department" numbers increased significantly during CL's time, which is when Hearts increased investment in backroom staff, but league positions deteriorated year on year. The numbers available in the accounts show that the number of staff went down during the Championship season, but I assume will have grown again this season. The accounts only give a figure for "Players, coaching and football support staff". 2013/14 - 67 (admin season) 2014/15 - 79 (Championship) 2015/16 - 95 (Premiership) 2016/17 - 104 2017/18 - 116 2018/19 - 122 2019/20 - 114 2020/21 - 89 (Championship) 2021/22 - ? Following Neilsons departure did Cathro use any sports scientist or performance team as part of the coaching staff? Likewise did Levein after Cathro? We had Dave Sykes then John Hill under Neilson then Mike Williams on his return and now all the recent additions. Is there any link between Neilsons teams consistency and lack of injuries vs say Leveins? Just a thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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