Mikey1874 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, Montgomery Brewster said: Faroes - 114 in fifa rankings . Israel - 80th folk need to keep that in mind. As soon as we come up against the portugals Sweden’s and Swiss In the play offs we will be found out on that performance tonight Italy and Spain could be in play offs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 26 minutes ago, milky_26 said: get callum paterson in the squad This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Montgomery Brewster said: Faroes - 114 in fifa rankings . Israel - 80th folk need to keep that in mind. As soon as we come up against the portugals Sweden’s and Swiss In the play offs we will be found out on that performance tonight I have and never will pay attention to these rankings, to me personally they mean F'all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Chris Kane or Tony Watt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Loblaw Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, Montgomery Brewster said: Faroes - 114 in fifa rankings . Israel - 80th folk need to keep that in mind. As soon as we come up against the portugals Sweden’s and Swiss In the play offs we will be found out on that performance tonight What about away performances against Austria, England and Serbia? We struggle to break teams down at times, but we have a game plan that can get us results against better teams as well. It's been a long time since we finished runners up in a WC qualifying group, if we do it, it's a good achievement that we should be happy with. Especially with it following up qualification for the Euros. Clarke has improved us a hell of a lot since he took over, we are going in the right direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Jeff said: Chris Kane or Tony Watt Paterson is better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraggle Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 15 minutes ago, ri Alban said: I does. I think he means if they win, and we win. We've Denmark at a full Hampden. We'll win that. We're not beating the Danes the way they are playing just now, and on a Monday night too. To stand any chance it needed to be a Saturday as it makes a huge difference to the crowd and atmosphere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, Fraggle said: We're not beating the Danes the way they are playing just now, and on a Monday night too. To stand any chance it needed to be a Saturday as it makes a huge difference to the crowd and atmosphere. How?! Do we need keep the noise Doon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 I’ve just read that before tonight’s match where he didn’t score Harry Kane had scored in his previous 15 major tournament qualifiers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Rob Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, ri Alban said: How?! Do we need keep the noise Doon. Presumably the crowd will be less wrecked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, Doc Rob said: Presumably the crowd will be less wrecked. Want to bet. it'll be party time. We'll have already secured 2nd 🤞 and Denmark will play their reserves for the rest of the campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrystaf Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 25 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Astroturf should be a no no at international level. And i must admit, the Faroe islands have improved, a lot . Totally agree. How those above allow plastic pitches at this level is unbelievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VALDOS' Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 I really don't care how how we get the wins, giving us a chance of going to a world cup is all that we ask. It would be stunning to pull off back to back tournaments after 2 decades of failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5-1Jambo Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Bob Loblaw said: What about away performances against Austria, England and Serbia? We struggle to break teams down at times, but we have a game plan that can get us results against better teams as well. It's been a long time since we finished runners up in a WC qualifying group, if we do it, it's a good achievement that we should be happy with. Especially with it following up qualification for the Euros. Clarke has improved us a hell of a lot since he took over, we are going in the right direction. Agreed. You could argue that Scotland are like Hearts were last season. Found it difficult to break teams down that just sit in and try and hit on the break. But we always played better when teams had a go. Scotland are getting the job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Hearts Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Francis Albert said: Tje population of the Faroes is less than 50000. Less than 1 per cent of Scotland's. What would be a walk in the park for Scotland?/ 53,000 (Dunfermline, roughly) - but it's not all about population, is it? The Faroes have a similar FIFA ranking to India, whose population is 1.38 billion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 hour ago, chrystaf said: Totally agree. How those above allow plastic pitches at this level is unbelievable. I played in a Mercantile summer midweek league in Edinburgh and Saughton prison played unofficial games on their pitch which was just brutal. For the record we heard that they had beaten a Hearts X1 7-1 in their last game. Somewhat dispirited, they edged past us 11-0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraggle Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 hour ago, ri Alban said: How?! Do we need keep the noise Doon. Always felt Saturday games the crowds at Hampden were that bit more up for it, had a day out on it, and afterwards. Not been to many midweek games where its been as good in terms of atmosphere, probably cause loads of folk have work the next day, need to worry about getting away sharp to get public transport home. If the Denmark game had been a Saturday it would have been the Italy game from 08 all over imo (hopefully with a more positive scoreline), big game, big result needed against a better team, but the atmosphere (which for that game was utterly phenomenal) drives the Scotland players on and knocks the opposition off their stride. Sadly, I don't think we will get that level of atmosphere for a Monday night game, which will make it easier for a Denmark team with a formidable qualifying campaign record who could be looking for a clean sweep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Barack said: Crowd started lobbing stuff. Including at Lewandowski when he asked them to stop. Well it was the Albanian fans throwing the missiles, Lewandowski was unlikely to pacify them. It’s happening all over just now, someone hit an Israeli scorer on Saturday with a pie ffs 😆. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 9 hours ago, Hackney Hearts said: 53,000 (Dunfermline, roughly) - but it's not all about population, is it? The Faroes have a similar FIFA ranking to India, whose population is 1.38 billion. This. China v India would hardly be an el classico...😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heres Rixxy Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 5 hours ago, ri Alban said: That'll do. Austria will beat Israel, so Scotland guaranteed a play off. Just need to be seeded by beating Moldova. Our results against Moldova don't count in the 2nd placed teams tables as all results against 6th ranked teams are excluded. We might need a couple of results in other groups to go our way, and potentially need a point against the Danes. Our GD is already likely to land us in the unseeded spots if we lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Heres Rixxy said: Our results against Moldova don't count in the 2nd placed teams tables as all results against 6th ranked teams are excluded. We might need a couple of results in other groups to go our way, and potentially need a point against the Danes. Our GD is already likely to land us in the unseeded spots if we lose. Listen if we can beat the Faroes we can take on any of these sides and get the W, fully confident. The league table doesn't lie we are a better side than Spain, Poland, Croatia etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 hour ago, A_A wehatethehibs said: Listen if we can beat the Faroes we can take on any of these sides and get the W, fully confident. The league table doesn't lie we are a better side than Spain, Poland, Croatia etc Croatia have more points this isn’t very i up to date Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 9 hours ago, ri Alban said: I does. I think he means if they win, and we win. We've Denmark at a full Hampden. We'll win that. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 2 hours ago, A_A wehatethehibs said: Listen if we can beat the Faroes we can take on any of these sides and get the W, fully confident. The league table doesn't lie we are a better side than Spain, Poland, Croatia etc Spain just beat the European champions and should have taken something from France who beat Belgium - no thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Jambo 4 Ever said: Croatia have more points this isn’t very i up to date You missed the bit where he said that results against the 6th place teams are disregarded, Croatia have 6 points against Cyprus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIO Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) Denmark also beat The Faroes 1-0 away from home. Don't know what their performance was like but nobody has beat them easily the way Moldova have been. Austria away was a good performance , Israel we were good going forward but shit defensively it would be great to take something from the Denmark game but if we beat Moldova it might not matter. Edited October 13, 2021 by EIEIO Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Badgy Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 9 hours ago, Hackney Hearts said: 53,000 (Dunfermline, roughly) - but it's not all about population, is it? The Faroes have a similar FIFA ranking to India, whose population is 1.38 billion. India and Faroes probably have the same number of people playing football! I spent three months in India. Saw loads of kids playing cricket and none playing football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Badgy Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, EIEIO said: Denmark also beat The Faroes 1-0 away from home. Don't know what there performance was like but nobody has beat them easily the way Moldova have been. Austria away was a good performance , Israel we were good going forward but shit defensively it would be great to take something from the Denmark game but if we beat Moldova it might not matter. A point against Denmark might increase our chances of being seeded? It's good luck that we're playing them at home at a point where they have already wrapped up qualification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIO Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Bindy Badgy said: A point against Denmark might increase our chances of being seeded? It's good luck that we're playing them at home at a point where they have already wrapped up qualification. It might do depending on the results in other groups, if it does and we are up for it a draw or a.win at home is not an impossible task. They are a good side but not a great one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 12 minutes ago, Bindy Badgy said: A point against Denmark might increase our chances of being seeded? It's good luck that we're playing them at home at a point where they have already wrapped up qualification. Probably need a point due to GD though I haven't checked who the other teams have to play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 38 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: Spain just beat the European champions and should have taken something from France who beat Belgium - no thanks Was a bit tongue in cheek mate but I’ll say this. The best Scotland team in my lifetime beat France home and away when they were European champions, World Cup finalists, and world #1 team, but we lost to Ukraine and ****ing Georgia. If I could hand pick a team from the playoffs Scotland have the best chance against, it would probably be Spain or Portugal. Ive been watching Scotland too long to think Ukraine, Norway or Romania is any easier of a game for us than Spain. Those are harder games for Scotland. We’d have as much chance of beating Spain as we would Romania TBQH mate so am not even fussed about seeding. All that matters to me, beat Moldova, and we’re in the playoffs without needing to take anything off Denmark. See if we need even a point off Denmark we will lose and be out the playoffs imo. So Moldova 0 - 1 Scotland, dreamland, bite your hand off right now for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 54 minutes ago, Bindy Badgy said: A point against Denmark might increase our chances of being seeded? It's good luck that we're playing them at home at a point where they have already wrapped up qualification. I think that's good planning rather than good luck. 30 minutes ago, A_A wehatethehibs said: If I could hand pick a team from the playoffs Scotland have the best chance against, it would probably be Spain or Portugal. Ive been watching Scotland too long to think Ukraine, Norway or Romania is any easier of a game for us than Spain. Those are harder games for Scotland. We’d have as much chance of beating Spain as we would Romania TBQH mate so am not even fussed about seeding. We have a much, much better record against mid-level teams than we do against top tier teams (obviously). This is just idiotic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, Darren said: I think that's good planning rather than good luck. We have a much, much better record against mid-level teams than we do against top tier teams (obviously). This is just idiotic. Was that the case in the euros mate? We played 1 top tier team and 2 mid level teams what were the results? We make harder work of it against teams we’re expected to beat. Just my view, get in the playoffs is all that matters and the draw will be what it is. Whatever team we play, will be the best team and hardest game we have faced, whether it’s portugal with Ronaldo if we’re unseeded or Norway with Haaland if we’re seeded. Or any other teams who’ll all be packed with Bundesliga and Serie A players no doubt. So it’s just about getting our name in the hat and if we’re seeded, that’s a bonus, you get a slim chance of a lucky draw maybe a draw against Wales coming through the nations league, which tbf would be the game I would love to see the most (I think it is possible if we’re seeded?). Scotland vs Wales for a place at the WC, tasty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Bindy Badgy said: India and Faroes probably have the same number of people playing football! I spent three months in India. Saw loads of kids playing cricket and none playing football. Football is very popular in Bengal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 hour ago, EIEIO said: Denmark also beat The Faroes 1-0 away from home. Don't know what their performance was like but nobody has beat them easily the way Moldova have been. Austria away was a good performance , Israel we were good going forward but shit defensively it would be great to take something from the Denmark game but if we beat Moldova it might not matter. Yup, Faroes have improved, they are difficult to break down. We didn't play well but we won, that's all that matters. Plenty good sides will do similarly there with the way they defend and frustrate, especially on that pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Yup, Faroes have improved, they are difficult to break down. We didn't play well but we won, that's all that matters. Plenty good sides will do similarly there with the way they defend and frustrate, especially on that pitch. Yep there was def a few classic plastic pitch tactics, skidding the ball for a dodgy bounce from keepers kicks from hands etc, which will catch out a lot of European teams that never play on a surface like that. Thankfully no surprises we had enough players and a manager who know what that’s about. Edited October 13, 2021 by A_A wehatethehibs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 It's coming home 🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, A_A wehatethehibs said: Yep there was def a few classic plastic pitch tactics, skidding the ball for a dodgy bounce from keepers kicks from hands etc, which will catch out a lot of European teams that never play on a surface like that. Thankfully no surprises we had enough players and a manager who know what that’s about. We certainly have a manager who knows about playing on astroturf surfaces. Not many players that do. Edited October 13, 2021 by John Findlay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) 38 minutes ago, A_A wehatethehibs said: So it’s just about getting our name in the hat and if we’re seeded, that’s a bonus, you get a slim chance of a lucky draw maybe a draw against Wales coming through the nations league, which tbf would be the game I would love to see the most (I think it is possible if we’re seeded?). Scotland vs Wales for a place at the WC, tasty As long as we do our usual! Edited October 13, 2021 by Boris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Portugal need to beat Serbia at home or draw/beat Rep of Ireland in Dublin and then draw with Serbia to win group. That is likely. Spain beat Sweden in Spain and they'll win the group. Croatia beat Russia at home and they win group with Russia second. Switzerland beat Italy and they will win group. Wales could overtake Czechs and be second but will need something from Belgium at home. Plenty of things could change yet, so no point worrying. Just win next two games and see who we get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, John Findlay said: We certainly have a manager who knows about playing on astroturf surfaces. Not many players that do. Match winner Dykes for example, and anyone else who’s played in the spfl McGinn, Tierney, mcgregor, Christie, Gordon etc all played plenty away games on astroturf pitches. And the squad trains at Oriam as well. But think that pitch will be a big reason their home record has improved so much, other squads won’t be as prepared for it as us. Edited October 13, 2021 by A_A wehatethehibs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 24 minutes ago, A_A wehatethehibs said: Was that the case in the euros mate? We played 1 top tier team and 2 mid level teams what were the results? We make harder work of it against teams we’re expected to beat. Just my view, get in the playoffs is all that matters and the draw will be what it is. Whatever team we play, will be the best team and hardest game we have faced, whether it’s portugal with Ronaldo if we’re unseeded or Norway with Haaland if we’re seeded. Or any other teams who’ll all be packed with Bundesliga and Serie A players no doubt. So it’s just about getting our name in the hat and if we’re seeded, that’s a bonus, you get a slim chance of a lucky draw maybe a draw against Wales coming through the nations league, which tbf would be the game I would love to see the most (I think it is possible if we’re seeded?). Scotland vs Wales for a place at the WC, tasty Scotland qualified for the Euros by virtue of having to beat zero elite sides. It's not a coincidence that was the case and we made our first finals appearance since 1998. Our previous play-off attempts were defeats by top tier teams (England, Holland). Grabbing a point at Wembley during the Euros was great but I wouldn't expect us to have beaten any of them because they're all higher ranked. It was reasonable to think we had a good chance against the Czechs. We'd beaten them two times previously. But it wasn't to be. Croatia are the only elite team we've beaten in ages but I wasn't especially confident of winning against them at the Euros. In this qualifying section, we're in second by virtue of punching above our weight against the next team ranked above us in Austria (unexpectedly), doing better than Israel (by the skin of our teeth) and so far disposing of the two lowest ranked teams. I think if you look historically at our records against the likes of Portugal and Spain compared with Norway or Romania, the stats would bear out that we're far more likely to progress against the latter two. We could also end up playing Austria again so not quite guaranteed to be the hardest game we've faced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex member of the SaS Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 11 hours ago, Pasquale for King said: Well it was the Albanian fans throwing the missiles, Lewandowski was unlikely to pacify them. It’s happening all over just now, someone hit an Israeli scorer on Saturday with a pie ffs 😆. With some of the pies in the SPFL that could have been fatal. Pies as hard as the old castle rock! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 28 minutes ago, Darren said: Scotland qualified for the Euros by virtue of having to beat zero elite sides. It's not a coincidence that was the case and we made our first finals appearance since 1998. Our previous play-off attempts were defeats by top tier teams (England, Holland). Grabbing a point at Wembley during the Euros was great but I wouldn't expect us to have beaten any of them because they're all higher ranked. It was reasonable to think we had a good chance against the Czechs. We'd beaten them two times previously. But it wasn't to be. Croatia are the only elite team we've beaten in ages but I wasn't especially confident of winning against them at the Euros. In this qualifying section, we're in second by virtue of punching above our weight against the next team ranked above us in Austria (unexpectedly), doing better than Israel (by the skin of our teeth) and so far disposing of the two lowest ranked teams. I think if you look historically at our records against the likes of Portugal and Spain compared with Norway or Romania, the stats would bear out that we're far more likely to progress against the latter two. We could also end up playing Austria again so not quite guaranteed to be the hardest game we've faced. I see you are logical and think that outcomes will follow to a logical conclusion, in terms of who we are more / less likely to beat... You can’t have been following Scotland for too long… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 I'm calling it, we'll hammer Moldova 0-1 in their back yard and that's us in the play offs, then we'll beat the Czechs (I'd be delighted with them), and meet Serbia again, and beat them too, is that enough, or do we need to win 3 rounds? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, The Old Tolbooth said: I'm calling it, we'll hammer Moldova 0-1 in their back yard and that's us in the play offs, then we'll beat the Czechs (I'd be delighted with them), and meet Serbia again, and beat them too, is that enough, or do we need to win 3 rounds? 🤔 Just a semi and final, both one legs at the end of march Edit: in your scenario will Serbia beat Norway in their semi? Edited October 13, 2021 by milky_26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 minute ago, milky_26 said: Just a semi and final, both one legs at the end of march Ideal, but knowing our luck we'll get the hardest teams! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 47 minutes ago, Ex member of the SaS said: With some of the pies in the SPFL that could have been fatal. Pies as hard as the old castle rock! Only got mince on offer just now in the main stand but I’m sure the crust would be hard 😆. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 I'll hang off pondering the play offs till after the Moldova game. In true Scottish style, this could still go wrong. 😂 Austria are now out of it and it wouldn't surprise me if Israel take even a win there. All good though, it wouldn't be us to qualify normally ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 2 hours ago, A_A wehatethehibs said: Yep there was def a few classic plastic pitch tactics, skidding the ball for a dodgy bounce from keepers kicks from hands etc, which will catch out a lot of European teams that never play on a surface like that. Thankfully no surprises we had enough players and a manager who know what that’s about. With their low block it meant that balls played in behind on that pitch will go out of play, even switching play on that surface is difficult. I thought we did well second half by staying patient, keeping the pressure on and not giving up knowing we'd get a chance. It was very professional second half. Showed a strong mentality. Also, the boys gave everything second half v Israel, so when we're playing a team like the Faroes where they aren't moving out of shape, aren't engaging us, it is very difficult to create the energy and the tempo, everything becomes a bit slow. While it was tough going and not great to watch I think you've got to credit us for getting the win and the Faroes for being tactically good and disciplined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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