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JamboCampbell

Hey - hoping someone can help me with this!

 

I got a Parking Charge from UKPC at the weekend whilst at Hermiston Gate. 

 

Question:

I am aware that previously you could just bin these, ignore all letters and after a while they go away as effectively they have no way of proving who the driver was and in Scotland they are not legally allowed to go to the DVLA and force it upon the registered driver. I am aware there is something called POFA in England and Wales whereby the private firm can request the keepers details from the DVLA. 

I also am aware there was a bill passed in 2020 to get something similar in Scotland but not sure if this is actually law yet?

Effectively I am looking for advice/experience of similar and what I should do. 

 

I am leaning towards ignoring. 

 

Cheers in advance

 

JC

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jonnothejambo

Cameras and warning notices all over the place there.  

 

Never read the signs so not clued up with the legalities.

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Usually three attempts before they give up. :)  Did you park there too long or was there some other infringement?

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RamboJambo1996

yeah there was a recent Supreme Court decision that cleared up what defines a penalty charge on private property.
 

But regardless they can force your hand now and pursue it due to the case of Vehicle Control Services Limited v. Mackie [2017] SC DUN 24. But 9 times out of 10 if this is just a one off you’ll be fine it would cost them more in legal fees than the fine itself. Usually the letters are not sent recorded delivery so they have no way of knowing whether or not they have been received. Essentially they are just looking for people to bite when they can and go after the consistent big time offenders in court. 

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Dave McCreery's knee

I am on about my twelfth letter for leaving my car at Moto Kinross whilst went away walking up north with my pal for the day. Have ignored every one. Stay strong and dont give the buggers a penny. 
A guy I work with just paid £100 for similar situation as he “didn't want to risk it” and they know some will take the same view if they are threatening enough. The reality is they’ll only take action against habitual offenders who have run up significant “debt” by parking on a regular basis. 

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Restonbabe

Bin they have no way what so ever of knowing who owns the car or who the registered keeper is 

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tian447

Play them at their own game.  Send them a letter in the post on headed paper which says:

Dear UKPC

 

By opening this letter, you agree to the terms and conditions within, whereby the parking charges for [car registration] received on [insert date] are null and void.

 

All future correspondence will be treated as harassment and be forwarded to the relevant authorities.  

 

Regards,

 

GIRFUY Legal Ltd.

 

It will be as legally binding as the shite they send you in the first place :thumbsup: 

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Stu_HMFC
On 04/03/2021 at 13:14, JamboCampbell said:

Hey - hoping someone can help me with this!

 

I got a Parking Charge from UKPC at the weekend whilst at Hermiston Gate. 

 

Question:

I am aware that previously you could just bin these, ignore all letters and after a while they go away as effectively they have no way of proving who the driver was and in Scotland they are not legally allowed to go to the DVLA and force it upon the registered driver. I am aware there is something called POFA in England and Wales whereby the private firm can request the keepers details from the DVLA. 

I also am aware there was a bill passed in 2020 to get something similar in Scotland but not sure if this is actually law yet?

Effectively I am looking for advice/experience of similar and what I should do. 

 

I am leaning towards ignoring. 

 

Cheers in advance

 

JC

I parked there 4 years ago for two weeks 10 times I parked there and got 3 letters I binned 4 years later I got 3 letters from Dcbl who have bought there outstanding fines . Getting final reminders and threatening of court the 3 of them are now up to 190 each . Letters still getting binned. They can’t take you to court in Scotland. I created a thread on the kickback about parking fines a lot of good info on it . 

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I have openly admitted before that I work for a Private Parking Company, so I am not here to argue or fall out with anybody, but there are a lot of mistruths out there. I just want to give a bit of inside information on, and take from it what you wish. As I say I am not going to enter into any arguments about it.

 

A lot of people do ignore tickets, or bin them etc, and that is due to Scotland having different parking laws to England & Wales. This is all in the process of changing though. Scotland is falling into line with England. & Wales, at some point over the next 6-12 months probably. This will mean Scottish tickets will be able to be taken to court if they so wish. The reality is somebody with 1 or 2 tickets are unlikely ever to be taken to court, but people with multiple tickets probably will be.

 

As somebody said above, you need to know who is driving the car which is the main stumbling block, but you can still be taken to court on probability you were driving. However it isn’t true we can’t enforce tickets. I know we are currently compiling a list of the worst repeat offenders, and issuing them with Letter Before Court ( LBC’s), and we are actually going to take a selection of them to court under the current legislation. If somebody racks up 10+ tickets, the final decision will be up to the judge, but the legal team who represents us are quite confident a judge will not take to kindly to people regularly parking illegally. We were going to wait until the law change happens, but we are going for it, as we know it definitely is going to happen.

 

It is costly taking people to court, so it is only worthwhile targeting repeat offenders, so I know we are starting doing it next month. No matter what, when Scotland falls into line its rest of UK, all parking tickets would be potentially open to that Avenue.

 

 

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SteauaNeedarest
6 minutes ago, daftie said:

I have openly admitted before that I work for a Private Parking Company, so I am not here to argue or fall out with anybody, but there are a lot of mistruths out there. I just want to give a bit of inside information on, and take from it what you wish. As I say I am not going to enter into any arguments about it.

 

A lot of people do ignore tickets, or bin them etc, and that is due to Scotland having different parking laws to England & Wales. This is all in the process of changing though. Scotland is falling into line with England. & Wales, at some point over the next 6-12 months probably. This will mean Scottish tickets will be able to be taken to court if they so wish. The reality is somebody with 1 or 2 tickets are unlikely ever to be taken to court, but people with multiple tickets probably will be.

 

As somebody said above, you need to know who is driving the car which is the main stumbling block, but you can still be taken to court on probability you were driving. However it isn’t true we can’t enforce tickets. I know we are currently compiling a list of the worst repeat offenders, and issuing them with Letter Before Court ( LBC’s), and we are actually going to take a selection of them to court under the current legislation. If somebody racks up 10+ tickets, the final decision will be up to the judge, but the legal team who represents us are quite confident a judge will not take to kindly to people regularly parking illegally. We were going to wait until the law change happens, but we are going for it, as we know it definitely is going to happen.

 

It is costly taking people to court, so it is only worthwhile targeting repeat offenders, so I know we are starting doing it next month. No matter what, when Scotland falls into line its rest of UK, all parking tickets would be potentially open to that Avenue.

 

 

 

Hopefully you can get a new job soon rather than working for these leeches.

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Awbdy Oot
On 08/03/2021 at 13:34, Restonbabe said:

Bin they have no way what so ever of knowing who owns the car or who the registered keeper is 

 

Absolute nonsense.

 

 

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The Real Maroonblood
4 minutes ago, SteauaNeedarest said:

 

Hopefully you can get a new job soon rather than working for these leeches.

:lol:

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Ive worked for them for a while, but at the end of the day it is a job.

 

I have also mentioned before, we patrol Residential developments enabling owners/residents to park on their own property. I don’t feel bad doing that to be honest. I don’t think somebody buying\renting a property with parking should put up with people outwith their developments parking there. I know I would be raging if I couldn’t park at my own home due to interlopers.

 

We have several sites where some elderly residents are scared to take their own car out to go shopping, as they know they are unlikely to park in their car park again when they return. That’s not right IMO

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Nunya Business
8 minutes ago, daftie said:

Ive worked for them for a while, but at the end of the day it is a job.

 

I have also mentioned before, we patrol Residential developments enabling owners/residents to park on their own property. I don’t feel bad doing that to be honest. I don’t think somebody buying\renting a property with parking should put up with people outwith their developments parking there. I know I would be raging if I couldn’t park at my own home due to interlopers.

 

We have several sites where some elderly residents are scared to take their own car out to go shopping, as they know they are unlikely to park in their car park again when they return. That’s not right IMO

 

You don't have to justify your job mate, it's just a job. No-one has the right to judge you because they don't like the company you work for.

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The Real Maroonblood
1 minute ago, Nunya Business said:

 

You don't have to justify your job mate, it's just a job. No-one has the right to judge you because they don't like the company you work for.

:spoton:

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Awbdy Oot
13 minutes ago, daftie said:

Ive worked for them for a while, but at the end of the day it is a job.

 

I have also mentioned before, we patrol Residential developments enabling owners/residents to park on their own property. I don’t feel bad doing that to be honest. I don’t think somebody buying\renting a property with parking should put up with people outwith their developments parking there. I know I would be raging if I couldn’t park at my own home due to interlopers.

 

We have several sites where some elderly residents are scared to take their own car out to go shopping, as they know they are unlikely to park in their car park again when they return. That’s not right IMO

 

Agree with that, supermarket and shopping centre car parks are the ones I have a problem with.

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The Real Maroonblood
5 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

Agree with that, supermarket and shopping centre car parks are the ones I have a problem with.

This.

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24 minutes ago, daftie said:

Ive worked for them for a while, but at the end of the day it is a job.

 

I have also mentioned before, we patrol Residential developments enabling owners/residents to park on their own property. I don’t feel bad doing that to be honest. I don’t think somebody buying\renting a property with parking should put up with people outwith their developments parking there. I know I would be raging if I couldn’t park at my own home due to interlopers.

 

We have several sites where some elderly residents are scared to take their own car out to go shopping, as they know they are unlikely to park in their car park again when they return. That’s not right IMO

Housing sites fine, I doubt anyone would have a problem with that.

 

The issue comes with the blatant money grabbing, like when **the driver of my car** parked in a 90% empty pub car park ***near somewhere in Edinburgh** for 18 minutes while waiting to pick up his kids, who were delayed by their class finishing a bit late. That one, and the subsequent two follow ups, went straight in the bin!

 

No need to justify your job, though, mate. I have one that can sometimes end up with major implications for people's family lives and living arrangements. At first it caused me to lose sleep, but as I've done it longer and longer, I agree that 'at the end of the day it is a job.'

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The sad thing is the parking companies at shops, hospitals, retail parks will all have the extra powers as well, so they will also be able to pursue you a lot easier.

 

I think most people find those type of enforcement, unproportional to what you’re expected to pay. The reality is however, it is their land, so they can impose whatever restrictions they see fit.

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Awbdy Oot
3 hours ago, daftie said:

The sad thing is the parking companies at shops, hospitals, retail parks will all have the extra powers as well, so they will also be able to pursue you a lot easier.

 

I think most people find those type of enforcement, unproportional to what you’re expected to pay. The reality is however, it is their land, so they can impose whatever restrictions they see fit.

 

Just because someone owns a piece of land it doesn't mean that they can "impose whatever restrictions they see fit" on it. 

Try putting up a sign saying "park here and you agree to pay £1000" and then see how that flies in court.

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Nucky Thompson

Got a ticket yesterday :vangry:

I was working in an area that was free parking but had double yellows on the corners. I couldn't find a space anywhere so squeezed into a space on a corner with half a tyre on the line.

The twat must have come round on his moped and spotted me.

A £100 wee job has now turned into a £70 job. Raging

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JamboCampbell

Appreciate the posts guys, just an update we had the first debt recovery letter through. Not really too bothered. 

 

My assumption is still that the liability/keeper thing hasnt yet become law but has passed the bill. 

 

Hope my assumption is right as thats what sounds like will get this quashed. 

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23 minutes ago, JamboCampbell said:

Appreciate the posts guys, just an update we had the first debt recovery letter through. Not really too bothered. 

 

My assumption is still that the liability/keeper thing hasnt yet become law but has passed the bill. 

 

Hope my assumption is right as thats what sounds like will get this quashed. 

 

It won't need quashed, they won't go to court for one parking invoice.

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I received a parking ticket for exceeding allocated time.

Lucky I took picture when I entered my details that proved that I had committed no offence.

If I had the money I would have taken the council to court.

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My letters from DCBL have stopped no had one in a couple months touch wood . But there is people out there who would of worried and paid it ( my partner would of paid it ) 445 quid they wanted over 4 parking fines nothing came off it . If it comes back around and I get letters they will again be ignored .

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