Thomaso Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Comments from JJ in the “Reminiscing with Legends book”. ”I’m a big believer that you’ve got to take young boys out when he’s doing well, not when he’s doing badly. Even if you think they’re too good to leave out, I feel you still have to think about taking them out. If you take them out when they’re really struggling, they can worry about it and be on a downer so when they come back into the team, there’s extra pressure on them”. Wise words - pity young Cochrane wasn’t mentored by JJ and we may have still had a cracking player on our hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboozy Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 I really hope the club pay attention to JJ , a rich vein of experience to tap into. Regarding young Cochrane? Is he still on loan or off the books? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIO Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Just now, jamboozy said: I really hope the club pay attention to JJ , a rich vein of experience to tap into. Regarding young Cochrane? Is he still on loan or off the books? He's meant to be on loan to Montrose but they aren't playing until February at the earliest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboozy Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, EIEIO said: He's meant to be on loan to Montrose but they aren't playing until February at the earliest. Thanks for that, I’m glad we still have him, as Tam was maybe alluding to in his op, if we nurtured these players the right way we could have a renaissance of sorts ala Paul Richie, Gary Naismith, Gary Locke type players of Mr Jim’s 1st tenure. Edited January 24, 2021 by jamboozy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Berry Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 He should be playing ahead of Halliday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroonjam Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Just now, Chuck Berry said: He should be playing ahead of Halliday. That's how I see it. At least the lad has a footballing brain and wouldn't just aimlessly run about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Berry Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Just now, Maroonjam said: That's how I see it. At least the lad has a footballing brain and wouldn't just aimlessly run about. We're in the process of ruining him. If Montrose aren't playing, then recall him and get him in the matchday squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, Chuck Berry said: He should be playing ahead of Halliday. Neither should be playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CloustonHMFC Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Cochrane has potential but he has lot to prove before he's handed a start again, tbh. Didn't light it up with Dunfermline or Montrose and didn't exactly impress the last few times he's had the chance here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 37 minutes ago, Thomaso said: Comments from JJ in the “Reminiscing with Legends book”. ”I’m a big believer that you’ve got to take young boys out when he’s doing well, not when he’s doing badly. Even if you think they’re too good to leave out, I feel you still have to think about taking them out. If you take them out when they’re really struggling, they can worry about it and be on a downer so when they come back into the team, there’s extra pressure on them”. Wise words - pity young Cochrane wasn’t mentored by JJ and we may have still had a cracking player on our hands. Surely all this would be negated by just talking to the lad? I think our problem is that the style of football we've played has been so pedestrian that fans turn on young players. We have this blend of slow passing and zero movement which is just stolid... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettigrewsstylist Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, Spellczech said: Surely all this would be negated by just talking to the lad? I think our problem is that the style of football we've played has been so pedestrian that fans turn on young players. We have this blend of slow passing and zero movement which is just stolid... Which no player is proud to do well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Cochrane should be recalled if we’ve not signed another CM before the end of the window. We are short a body. But I would prefer we sign someone. As for JJs advice, not really sure what the relevance is. Cochrane got injured and was out for about a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 21 minutes ago, Spellczech said: Surely all this would be negated by just talking to the lad? I think our problem is that the style of football we've played has been so pedestrian that fans turn on young players. We have this blend of slow passing and zero movement which is just stolid... That’s your opinion - I think I’ll stick to what JJ said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 8 minutes ago, A_A wehatethehibs said: Cochrane should be recalled if we’ve not signed another CM before the end of the window. We are short a body. But I would prefer we sign someone. As for JJs advice, not really sure what the relevance is. Cochrane got injured and was out for about a year. Levein was inflating Cochrane ego - he said he was “the best midfielder at Tynecastle”. Not great man management IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 52 minutes ago, Chuck Berry said: He should be playing ahead of Halliday. A traffic cone would contribute more than that imposter Halliday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 hour ago, jamboozy said: I really hope the club pay attention to JJ , a rich vein of experience to tap into. Regarding young Cochrane? Is he still on loan or off the books? Another wee gem in the book about JJ Gary Naysmith said ”The gaffer hating me passing the ball sideways or backwards. He absolutely frowned upon it. He wanted me to drive forward with the ball and if I couldn’t do that I had to pass it forward. He didn’t like me turning back”. Changed days under Levein and Robbie! 😕 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 The threads not about Cochrane. The threads not about Jefferies. The thread is actually about JKBs Slaver-in-Chief still bleating on about Levein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGorgie Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Cochrane is a decent player that deserves a chance. Far to many on here write of our young players if they make a few mistakes or don’t run round like a headless chicken. With that attitude there’s not much point in operating a youth policy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 10 minutes ago, been here before said: The threads not about Cochrane. The threads not about Jefferies. The thread is actually about JKBs Slaver-in-Chief still bleating on about Levein. And still getting it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Chuck Berry said: He should be playing ahead of Halliday. Aye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 26 minutes ago, been here before said: The threads not about Cochrane. The threads not about Jefferies. The thread is actually about JKBs Slaver-in-Chief still bleating on about Levein. Why read it then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 minute ago, 1874robbo said: Why read it then? How else do you suggest finding out what its about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 10 minutes ago, been here before said: How else do you suggest finding out what its about? Well if you did read it you’d see cochrane and JJ were mentioned on numerous occasions so perfectly in line with the thread theme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, 1874robbo said: Well if you did read it you’d see cochrane and JJ were mentioned on numerous occasions so perfectly in line with the thread theme. And then the true colours reveal themselves in his last post. I found that out by reading the thread, which you seem to think I perhaps shouldnt havr done. Im not quite getting your point here, presuming you have one. Edited January 24, 2021 by been here before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Thomaso said: That’s your opinion - I think I’ll stick to what JJ said. LOL so why start a thread if your mind is closed to discussion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, been here before said: And then the true colours reveal themselves in his last post. Im not quite getting your point here, presuming you have one. The point being without reading the thread properly you made assumptions due to who the poster is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 8 minutes ago, been here before said: And then the true colours reveal themselves in his last post. I found that out by reading the thread, which you seem to think I perhaps shouldnt havr done. Im not quite getting your point here, presuming you have one. Not shouldn’t have done, haven’t done would be closer to what I was saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 minute ago, 1874robbo said: The point being without reading the thread properly you made assumptions due to who the poster is. You're utterly making stuff up. I saw the thread, read it and posted on it. Thats how I know it mentions Jefferies, Cochrane, Levein and Nelson. You've just invented a bizarre wee nonsensical scenatio only you seem to understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 minute ago, been here before said: You're utterly making stuff up. I saw the thread, read it and posted on it. Thats how I know it mentions Jefferies, Cochrane, Levein and Nelson. You've just invented a bizarre wee nonsensical scenatio only you seem to understand. That’ll make 2 of us then 😂😂😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 8 minutes ago, 1874robbo said: Not shouldn’t have done, haven’t done would be closer to what I was saying 4 minutes ago, 1874robbo said: That’ll make 2 of us then 😂😂😂😂 You're having such a nightmare here you're making Thomaso look like Einstein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mercer Takeover Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 (edited) I wish folk would stop clutching at straws with suggestions like Cochrane. The reason he had been loaned out was because he simply wasn't good enough. His time may yet come, but I honestly doubt it. Slowest player in Scottish football and by all accounts seems to have attitude problems hampering his progress. Time to cut and run with him I think. Edited January 24, 2021 by The Mercer Takeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboozy Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Thomaso said: Another wee gem in the book about JJ Gary Naysmith said ”The gaffer hating me passing the ball sideways or backwards. He absolutely frowned upon it. He wanted me to drive forward with the ball and if I couldn’t do that I had to pass it forward. He didn’t like me turning back”. Changed days under Levein and Robbie! 😕 Great quote, I just wish we could get a wee bit of that drive and passion on show again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 3 hours ago, Maroonjam said: That's how I see it. At least the lad has a footballing brain and wouldn't just aimlessly run about. He doesn’t even run about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Thomaso said: Another wee gem in the book about JJ Gary Naysmith said ”The gaffer hating me passing the ball sideways or backwards. He absolutely frowned upon it. He wanted me to drive forward with the ball and if I couldn’t do that I had to pass it forward. He didn’t like me turning back”. Changed days under Levein and Robbie! 😕 This for me all day, far too much of it in today’s game. Roy Keane tells the story of how after his first game for Forest he passed a ball back and they lost a goal, in the dressing afterward Clough decked him and told him never to pass it back again. I watched a Brazilian game last weekend and Athletico Mineiro passed its forward at all times, 1-2 touches and pass it to a teammate who are all moving into space to receive the ball. It looked simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 hour ago, been here before said: You're having such a nightmare here you're making Thomaso look like Einstein. You ain’t the smartest are you 😂😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo in Bathgate Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 hour ago, The Mercer Takeover said: I wish folk would stop clutching at straws with suggestions like Cochrane. The reason he had been loaned out was because he simply wasn't good enough. His time may yet come, but I honestly doubt it. Slowest player in Scottish football and by all accounts seems to have attitude problems hampering his progress. Time to cut and run with him I think. Said this before. It appears he lacks self development and motivation. That young winger from Rangers who played for ICT and Raith looks like he will make it. That’s how you should be showing when loaned out for development. I don’t think Cochrane has set the heather on fire in any loan spell. He lives on that goal against Celtic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Spellczech said: LOL so why start a thread if your mind is closed to discussion? We’ve discussed it - I’m going with the opinion of JJ......😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 hours ago, jamboozy said: Great quote, I just wish we could get a wee bit of that drive and passion on show again. I just wish Budge had brought in JJ instead of Levein - maybe then we would have had an ethos of attacking football ingrained into players at our club rather than the negative tippy tappy around the back we have suffered for the last few years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 hours ago, been here before said: You're having such a nightmare here you're making Thomaso look like Einstein. Cheers mate, thanks for that - funnily enough I think your comments make you look like a right “slaver”! 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 3 hours ago, Gambo said: And still getting it right. Cheers Gambo. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 In the Reminiscing with Legends book JJ and Billy Brown come accross very well in every comment by the legends themselves and others involved in the game and commentators. I posted before about he got angry at Gary Naysmith when he passed the ball sideways or backwards. God knows what he makes of our lot now. He created a hugely well balanced midfield and indeed team. His record in developing players is reflected in how many of his squad amassed large numbers of Scotland caps and went on to play at a higher level including Naysmith. Another feature of the JJ BB team is that they spent a lot of time looking at signing prospects travelling around the UK and beyond and never relied on videos and internet footage. Character was an essential criterion in choosing players. I hope Ann pays a lot of attention to his advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 5 hours ago, Chuck Berry said: He should be playing ahead of Halliday. Yes, and how much more are we paying Halliday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyjamboDerbyshire Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 5 hours ago, Thomaso said: Comments from JJ in the “Reminiscing with Legends book”. ”I’m a big believer that you’ve got to take young boys out when he’s doing well, not when he’s doing badly. Even if you think they’re too good to leave out, I feel you still have to think about taking them out. If you take them out when they’re really struggling, they can worry about it and be on a downer so when they come back into the team, there’s extra pressure on them”. Wise words - pity young Cochrane wasn’t mentored by JJ and we may have still had a cracking player on our hands. This to me has always been an obvious course to take when dealing with a young player, it was something Jock Stein did to perfection. I can remember how he would 'drop' Dalglish and Macari after they'd both scored and been standouts and he'd send them out with the reserves, often causing much anger amongst the supporters. If they hadn't played particularly well they were, at the very least, named as subs. Worked rather well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fort Vallance Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 5 hours ago, CloustonHMFC said: Cochrane has potential but he has lot to prove before he's handed a start again, tbh. Didn't light it up with Dunfermline or Montrose and didn't exactly impress the last few times he's had the chance here. I heard he was doing quite well at Montrose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOak88 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 I was hoping Cochrane would get a chance this season in the Championship. Not necessarily as a regular starter, but a regular coming off the bench. The fact the club punted him out on loan again tells a story that he is obviously just not rated/not good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGorgie Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 21 minutes ago, TheOak88 said: I was hoping Cochrane would get a chance this season in the Championship. Not necessarily as a regular starter, but a regular coming off the bench. The fact the club punted him out on loan again tells a story that he is obviously just not rated/not good enough. And Halliday and Frear are? Cochran’s hasn’t been given a chance , unlike these two imposters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Couple of seasons too soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 5 hours ago, Robbo-Jambo said: A traffic cone would contribute more than that imposter Halliday Spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney bulge Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Hearts have ruined the laddie Cochrane, played him to young, not ready mentally or physically. Pull him out the first team when it suits them. after all the unmerited hype to fill sports sections of papers they punt him on loan to Dunfermline where he doesn’t get a game. now at Montrose where he can’t last 90 minutes. he will end up junior by the time he’s 25 after dropping down the leagues. Just another tale of He nearly made it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney bulge Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Don’t want to be hard on the boy but if you don’t have pace at 18 you are never going to have it. it’s not something that can be taught and that’s a fact. he clearly lacked a yard of pace and that is being kind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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