CJGJ Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Stories doing the rounds that the 'old firm' have made it clear should or when clubs go to the wall in England they are ready to step in Not straight into the Premier League of course but they would boost TV monies in the lower leagues at a time when they are much needed. With clubs disappearing there would not be the same issue about clubs voting like Turkeys at Christmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 English football at the top remains resilient. Another example of many of Old Firm being out of touch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 It's no happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgie Boot boy Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Stories from where mate ,The early 80's ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Gorgie Boot boy said: Stories from where mate ,The early 80's ? Discussions with Sky Please note we are talking about lower leagues NOT straight into the top league Of course this has been done to death but circumstances are just not what they were and the clubs will need all income if they are to survive and if they go bust reorganisation will take place of the lower leagues in England Now who knows the impact Covid has still to wreak on some clubs in the UK but will all clubs survive till Christmas ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 It's very possible that they could buy another club and its share. But I don't believe they would be allowed to remain in Glasgow. Nor should they. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RENE Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Do they not have to give three years notice to the SPFL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgie Boot boy Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, CJGJ said: Discussions with Sky Please note we are talking about lower leagues NOT straight into the top league Of course this has been done to death but circumstances are just not what they were and the clubs will need all income if they are to survive and if they go bust reorganisation will take place of the lower leagues in England Now who knows the impact Covid has still to wreak on some clubs in the UK but will all clubs survive till Christmas ? Unless there is a British league, this is a non starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glamorgan Jambo Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Remember when Sam Hamman tried to move Wimbledon to Dublin.. Won’t happen this year or next year or.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Jackanory ended in the 80’s. yet the arse cheeks still harbour hopes. Deluded and certainly unwanted. The rectums of society Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) I hope they get their wish, but perhaps it will sink in that if they can't make it happen when numerous English clubs go to the wall they'll never make it happen. If actively and openly wanting away from your league isn't bringing the game into disrepute I don't know what is. Let's stop Hearts training for a couple of weeks for no reason though. That's a much bigger issue. Edited September 28, 2020 by ToqueJambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 We haven't heard any more about the Colts and any financial benefit to the lower leagues to help them play this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Good, no colts teams just a clean break. Imagine never seeing them, or hearing their revolting fans, ever again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heart of Darkness Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Gorgie Boot boy said: Stories from where mate ,The early 80's ? 😂😂😂😂👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgie Boot boy Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Heart of Darkness said: 😂😂😂😂👍 THE 1880'S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgie Boot boy Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 If them two get out of jail, we go with them. Into a British league system. Only fair. Then our colts can play their's here in Scotland in the Football association league, making it possible, not breaching National league rules.. Surely this is the only way ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heart of Darkness Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 hour ago, CJGJ said: Discussions with Sky Please note we are talking about lower leagues NOT straight into the top league Of course this has been done to death but circumstances are just not what they were and the clubs will need all income if they are to survive and if they go bust reorganisation will take place of the lower leagues in England Now who knows the impact Covid has still to wreak on some clubs in the UK but will all clubs survive till Christmas ? I wouldn't be surprised if Sky has discussed something like this as it would boost the PPV by 100's of 1000 every week × 2 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heart of Darkness Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Gorgie Boot boy said: THE 1880'S. 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 3 hours ago, fabienleclerq said: It's no happening. Yeah, they can make it as clear as they like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomethingAboutObua Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 UEFA wouldn't let this happen, they're very against cross border teams and leagues because they don't want a breakaway European Superleague from the big 5 leagues. If the OF go I'd want us to rip everything with leagues up here and really go all out to stop the same dominance happening again between us, Aberdeen and Hibs. Go A-League style and get a small professional set up with a salary cap, maybe a draft, let teams make marquee signings, encourage domestic players in squad etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Never heard this story before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 7 hours ago, Gorgie Boot boy said: Stories from where mate ,The early 80's ? 90s 1690 to be precise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 No matter how much they talk about this, it will never, ever happen. Which is nice to know because I bet it’s agony for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 I'm sure there will be a lot of well run non-league clubs in England who would be prepared (and able) to step in to any spaces should league clubs go to the wall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) do we get to go as well? If this year has proven anything it’s that Scottish football is run by a bent cabal and populated largely with parasitic clubs who’s only ambition is to survive off the blood from other clubs, there are no prospects for Scottish football other Than being pushed further to the margins regardless of whether rangers and Celtic stay in it.. oh to play in a well run, ambitious country, where we would stop losing players like Calum Paterson to clubs no bigger than our own, where we could aim to achieve something and play on top / competitive leagues with good players would absolutely love it. **** Scottish football, every team in it, the SPFL and the SFA.. let it all burn Edited September 29, 2020 by kingantti1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class of 75 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 I can't see it happening. Do you think supporters of English clubs, when fans get back into grounds, will take kindly to Celtic fans particularly, booing the 2 minutes silence when it comes to playing on the Remembrance weekend? They get away with it up here by playing away from home against a small team that won't complain. No chance they would get away with that down south. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class of 75 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: do we get to go as well? If this year has proven anything it’s that Scottish football is run by a bent cabal and populated largely with parasitic clubs who’s only ambition is to survive off the blood off other. oh to play in a well run, ambitious country, where we would stop losing players like Calum Paterson to clubs no bigger than our own. would absolutely love it. **** Scottish football, every team in it, the SPFL and the SFA.. let it all burn Well put mate. Good summary of the state of Scottish football. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 The thing is the "old firm" could have a highly competitive product in Scotland if they would just shut their greedy pusses and listen to the majority of folk who want to reconstruct the leagues, reform the competitions, reduce the amount of full-time pro clubs, get rid of corruption, appoint new leadership with fresh ideas and actually sell the Scottish game internationally. The Scottish leagues are capable of so much more but the "old-firm" still think they are in the 17th Century! Its pathetic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 9 hours ago, RENE said: Do they not have to give three years notice to the SPFL? That rule applies to all clubs but two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Just so long as they are not allowed to play either their reserve or colts sides here. If they do eventually go (I doubt it will ever happen), the game here needs a complete severance from their bile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 18 minutes ago, milky_26 said: That rule applies to all clubs but two Yeah, it would go to one their 'special votes'. Personally, I would be delighted to see them go, the sooner the better... them Scottish football could really grow. You know, with a level playing field for all. What a novelty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadKiller Dog Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) My guess if this is true its also a sign they are both on shakey ground themselves financially. Covid is hurting them more than they are letting on. While I cant see it coming to anything would be interesting to see how popular both would be for getting there by standing on the graves of potentialy traditional old English clubs . The English media certainly wouldn't cut them no slack . I certainly wouldn't want to follow them down. Scottish football would flourish without them at at a more balanced and competitive level if they were to fully go ,but they wouldn't they would leave colts behind and most of scottish foitball owners would agree to their demands ,likely let them represent us in Europe also . Edited September 29, 2020 by ToadKiller Dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandjambo3 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 BBC news reporting that EPL clubs to vote on season curtailment plans and......NHS will face a triple whammy this winter with the flue adding to their problems..............football will be kicked into touch very shortly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 I can't see the FA, SFA or UEFA allowing them to stay in Glasgow while playing in a different country. What's to stop clubs of other nations doing the same thing if it were allowed? We could soon see Shanghai Rovers FC or Mumbai Wanderers playing in League 1&2. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 10 hours ago, CJGJ said: Stories doing the rounds that the 'old firm' have made it clear should or when clubs go to the wall in England they are ready to step in Not straight into the Premier League of course but they would boost TV monies in the lower leagues at a time when they are much needed. With clubs disappearing there would not be the same issue about clubs voting like Turkeys at Christmas. Wishful thinking. It would finally put an end to the stuff about 'moving to the next level' that we sometimes hear from Celtic fans though. The 'next level' in their heads is competing in the later stages of European competitions. If the arse-cheeks were accepted into the lower leagues in England they could be stuck there for years. Even if they made it into the Premier League eventually, they would rarely get a sniff of Europe. There are huge clubs in England get stuck in the lower leagues for years, I can't see why either Celtic or Rangers would be immune from that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Won't happen until UEFA allow it. Also, in the current climate starting of in the lower division would be an alll mighty gamble, especially for Rangers imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 The most important thing in all this is being forgotten. THE ENGLISH DONT WANT THEM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 I'm happy for them to **** off a anywhere they like. That means they go completely, as in relocate and sell their stadiums in Scotland and absolutely no colts teams left behind to perpetuate their filthy beliefs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 10 hours ago, Glamorgan Jambo said: Remember when Sam Hamman tried to move Wimbledon to Dublin.. Won’t happen this year or next year or.... That failed in 1997 because the FA had a rule and kicked it into the long grass The same year the Steadmans sold Kilbowie to a property developer in Feb 1998 Clydebank who were going under their new owner and Colm McCarthy who tried the same at Wimbledon then tried it as well as there is no rule in Scotland. It was the fans who got UEFA to and Fifa to block the move, but if there was no mass protest, then UEFA would not have cared a jot. If they had moved there would still have been a Clydebank, and now not an Airdrieonians The SFA cant block it, and if the OF did try to take advantage of the situation, I would hope AB has already begun negotiations, but the OF would not get any blockage from the SFA/UEFA, just the EFA who just dont want them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfcbilly Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 11 hours ago, fabienleclerq said: It's no happening. Shame really...I'd be glad to see the back of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbie Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) The original poster seems to have forgotten that if Covid 19 wreaks financial havoc on a large swathe of English clubs, it will only be the meaningless operating companies that will die the death of liquidation, while the immortal metaphysical clubs will sail on into the future entirely debt-free. I'm pretty sure that's how Doncaster & Co told us it works. Edited September 29, 2020 by newbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fort Vallance Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 11 hours ago, RENE said: Do they not have to give three years notice to the SPFL? They make the rules, they can do what they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilberts Fridge Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 29 minutes ago, John Findlay said: The most important thing in all this is being forgotten. THE ENGLISH DONT WANT THEM. This. The marketing people at the FA, EFL and most importantly, EPL do not want several thousand bigoted Neanderthals up and down the M6 several times a week tainting their extremely valuable product with sectarian songs and violence. Think about the English press outrage at them. No sweeping it under the carpet as high spirits and passion per the wegia. Even if they got as far as an application, the due diligence on the risk of the fans previous behaviour would rule it out. Can you imagine an FA auditor reading the crap on the OF messaged boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
part_time_jambo Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 The best thing that could happen would be for the Scottish, English, Welsh and Northern Irish leagues all to be amalgamated in one UK league. Then every club in the UK would have the same opportunities for promotion to the top league, TV deals etc. It would mean the end for a lot of smaller clubs, but that is the price of progress. They can continue in their local Junior/Amateur leagues, playing within their means. It would also mean having one international team representing the UK, not 4 separate teams. Not a bad thing where Scotland are concerned given how crap we are, and any top class players we have such as Andy Robertson would make the team anyway. There would obviously be cries of "but it's England under another name", but eventually I think we would be supporting a British team, just like in the Olympics. Never going to happen unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhammer Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Financially they might be attractive to England but their baggage far outweighs that. They will NEVER change their ways and, whilst they don't no - one would want them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 12 hours ago, RENE said: Do they not have to give three years notice to the SPFL? Others may..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glamorgan Jambo Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Hagar the Horrible said: That failed in 1997 because the FA had a rule and kicked it into the long grass The same year the Steadmans sold Kilbowie to a property developer in Feb 1998 Clydebank who were going under their new owner and Colm McCarthy who tried the same at Wimbledon then tried it as well as there is no rule in Scotland. It was the fans who got UEFA to and Fifa to block the move, but if there was no mass protest, then UEFA would not have cared a jot. If they had moved there would still have been a Clydebank, and now not an Airdrieonians The SFA cant block it, and if the OF did try to take advantage of the situation, I would hope AB has already begun negotiations, but the OF would not get any blockage from the SFA/UEFA, just the EFA who just dont want them! Agree the SFA wouldn't try to block it. UEFA on the other hand may see it as the thin end of a wedge against their lucrative cross border competitions. Here in Wales there are 6 clubs in the English League pyramid (Merthyr and Colwyn Bay are the lesser known ones). There is zero chance any others will be allowed to join. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Glamorgan Jambo said: Agree the SFA wouldn't try to block it. UEFA on the other hand may see it as the thin end of a wedge against their lucrative cross border competitions. Here in Wales there are 6 clubs in the English League pyramid (Merthyr and Colwyn Bay are the lesser known ones). There is zero chance any others will be allowed to join. The problem is, if clubs in serious numbers go under both sides of the border, they might panic and see it as a good fix. And by default the might start in the championship as the bottom 2 leagues might need to rethink and resize or resurect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 13 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: English football at the top remains resilient. Another example of many of Old Firm being out of touch. Exactly the biggest clubs are already in talks on how they can support the lower leagues. The old squirm will try anything to wrangle their way into England. They should be penalised for bringing this game into disrepute. Yet the SPFL/GFA are happy to turn a blind eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, RENE said: Do they not have to give three years notice to the SPFL? Yes but I’ve no doubt they would be assisted in every possible way and Doncaster et al would put a positive slant on it. ‘Showcasing Scottish football to a different and wider audience’ etc etc blah blah. Wouldnt trouble me if they both left as long as it is BOTH. Might even improve the spectacle up here and generate a bit of competition amongst half a dozen clubs Not happening though is it. Would have happened already if it were. Edited September 29, 2020 by JimmyCant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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