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[ri Alban]

75 years since the world defeated the Evil which was Hitler and his Heavy Team.

 

 

God bless you all and Thank you!

[Ainsley Harriott]

They gave their tomorrow so we can have our today. 

 

We shall remember them.

[ri Alban]

4 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

They gave their tomorrow so we can have our today. 

 

We shall remember them.

👏 Amen!

[hughesie27]

There's to be a fly over Edinburgh today. Anybody know what time?

 

GIRFUY Nazis.

[Unknown user]

23 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

There's to be a fly over Edinburgh today. Anybody know what time?

 

GIRFUY Nazis.

I saw a massive military plane flying south last night on my way to work, I assume it was a dry run or moving in preparation of something today.

[Nucky Thompson]

That would have been some party 75 years ago today 

[Mad Dog Logan]

2 hours ago, ri Alban said:

75 years since the world defeated the Evil which was Hitler and his Heavy Team.

 

 

God bless you all and Thank you!

 

1 hour ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

They gave their tomorrow so we can have our today. 

 

We shall remember them.

Well said👍

[Governor Tarkin]

1 hour ago, hughesie27 said:

GIRFUY Nazis.

 

1 hour ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

They gave their tomorrow so we can have our today. 

 

We shall remember them.

 

Absolutely.

[Crete]

A big thank you to all those brave men and women who sacrificed  their lives so we could live ours.

 

[manaliveits105]

Can you spot yourself ?

[manaliveits105]

[Jeff]

I know it's meant to be a positive day but you can't help but think about how many people died a day or two before the 8th of May 1945. Devastating

[SwindonJambo]

A big thank you from the bottom of my heart to everyone who fought the Nazi menace. I lost a couple of Great Uncles in WW2. One died after Germany formally surrendered so technically a murder.

 

A special big shout-out to the Poles and their contribution to the cause. Without the brilliant pilots of 302 & 303 Squadron, the Battle of Britain could easily have been lost.

 

 Churchill excluded them from the victory parade for fear of upsetting Joe Stalin, who hated the Poles. A shameful footnote in our WW2 history imho.

 

 

 

 

[jambo-fletch]

Thank you to the greatest Generation!

[Debut 4]

Happen to be watching a lot of WW2 docus in lockdown. Some older stuff I’ve seen many times but a lot of newer programs about different aspects of the war aside from the main battles thread. 

It just continues to hammer home the magnitude of the war, the phenomenon it was.  
 

Eternally grateful for the sacrifice many people made in a hellish arena against a truly evil ideological giant.
 

 

 

 

[Seaside jambo]

32 minutes ago, jambo-fletch said:

Thank you to the greatest Generation!

By far the greatest 

thank you all for you’re sacrifices 

[hughesie27]

So we expecting these planes amin a couple minutes?

[Debut 4]

4 minutes ago, Barack said:

You watched WW2 in colour, on Netflix? Good documentary series that one.

Aye, in middle of it now funnily enough 👍🏻 Lol

 

There’s another docu on Netflix about The Greatest Battles of WW2. More concentrated, dedicated coverage of specific events throughout the war with comment from historians and professors who specialise in the study of those particular ones covered.  Great programme. 
 

Also, there’s a docu about the einsatzgruppen and their horrific acts around Eastern Europe. Truly shocking. 

[Debut 4]

1 minute ago, Barack said:

Yeah seen the Einzatzgruppen one. Already knew about them though. But still...

Knew about them but had never really read in depth. This docu goes there. ( as you know).   

[Angry Haggis]

7 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

So we expecting these planes amin a couple minutes?

 

Ive not found any specific mention on timings but 3pm would be my bet. 

[iantjambo]

3 hours ago, hughesie27 said:

There's to be a fly over Edinburgh today. Anybody know what time?

 

GIRFUY Nazis.

Two RAF jets flew over our house about 5 minutes ago.

 

Thank you to all who gave their lives so that we can have the freedom we enjoy today.

[southcap]

No coincidence that as those that lived through these times dwindle in numbers, we see the rise of the extreme right throughout europe and other parts of the world.

 

Let's not let those sacrifices be in vain. 

 

 

[hughesie27]

Never seen or heard anything in the Pans.

[iantjambo]

19 minutes ago, Barack said:

You watched WW2 in colour, on Netflix? Good documentary series that one.

That’s a cracking documentary. I’ve watched it several times now.

[Debut 4]

1 minute ago, Barack said:

Yeah. 😬 

 

I've been to The Holocaust Museum & Topography of Terror, in Berlin. And I've been to Auschwitz/Birkenau. You don't grasp it until you hear/see it.

 

Even then, you struggle to compute it. 

Spot on. Like you, I’ve been to both Auschwitz Camps. The sheer scale of Birkenau is jaw dropping.  You wander around with visions in your head.  The collapsed gas chambers are eerie..........
 

Actually a bit of a geek with the war stuff just now😂. Bought a book about the Battle of the Bulge and Operation Barbarossa. Sometimes it’s wee snippets that astound you when you forget the toil and pain soldiers and people went through.
 

There may not be much sympathy, but one ‘war fact’ was that some 14,000 German troops had to have limbs amputated during the big freeze in Operation Barbarossa😳  14, 000 ffs.  

[Marvin]

1 hour ago, Barack said:

Yeah. 😬 

 

I've been to The Holocaust Museum & Topography of Terror, in Berlin. And I've been to Auschwitz/Birkenau. You don't grasp it until you hear/see it.

 

Even then, you struggle to compute it. 

 

Is it true, you dont see or hear birds over Auschwitz?

 

If anyone can get their hands on it, watch Triumph of the  Spirit  https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098513/ a very good docu-drama imho.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 hour ago, Barack said:

Yeah. 😬 

 

I've been to The Holocaust Museum & Topography of Terror, in Berlin. And I've been to Auschwitz/Birkenau. You don't grasp it until you hear/see it.

 

Even then, you struggle to compute it. 

 

Me & Mrs JJ didn't go down into the Holocaust Museum, we wish we'd had more time but didn't, so we didn't go in.

The Sinti & Roma memorial being located virtually right next to the Reichstag is imo two fingers to the Nazis'.

 

When Mrs JJ & our youngest daughter visited Auschwitz/Birkenau it had snowed during the night (late November) and it was freezing, it gave them an understanding of just how hard things must have been in wintertime when the inmates were dressed in thin rags, the cold must have been unbelievable.

She was going back to Krakow with a couple of girls from work next month, but that ain't happening now.

 

P.S. When in Krakow they also went to the Schindler Factory/Museum, it was quite interesting to see it.

Edited May 8, 2020 by Jambo-Jimbo

[stirlo]

We should always remember the enormous sacrifices that generation made. VE day must have been such an incredible mix of emotions for so many people. On the one hand, massive relief that the war was finally over (or over in this region at least) but also great sorrow for all those who had lost their lives and sheer mental exhaustion given what the country had gone through. 

[Nucky Thompson]

I went to Auschwitz when I was on holiday in Krakow. I also went to Dachau Concentration Camp when I was in Munich.

Both humbling experiences, more so Auschwitz.

 

My old mum who is 95 was a land girl during WW2. They were meant to be having a week of celebration in her care home this week, but Covid was discovered last Friday so they are all locked down in their rooms

[The Real Maroonblood]

5 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

I went to Auschwitz when I was on holiday in Krakow. I also went to Dachau Concentration Camp when I was in Munich.

Both humbling experiences, more so Auschwitz.

 

My old mum who is 95 was a land girl during WW2. They were meant to be having a week of celebration in her care home this week, but Covid was discovered last Friday so they are all locked down in their rooms

Also been to both and I agree on your experiences at both camps.

That is a shame about your mother.

Best wishes to her and hopefully she keeps well.

 

[Rooster20]

We owe so so much to the generation that fought the Nazis. I can't even imagine the sheer scale of mortality and sacrifice that millions of people made in order to defeat evil. To the many brave heroes who have gone before, thank you for your sacrifice.

 

 

 

[Nucky Thompson]

21 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Also been to both and I agree on your experiences at both camps.

That is a shame about your mother.

Best wishes to her and hopefully she keeps well.

 

Cheers mate.

She was living at home until 4 weeks ago. She has dementia and had carers coming in 3 times a day but when lockdown happened her whole routine changed. She started wandering outside and the Police kept on taking her home. 

Ironically she was put into care for her own safety 

[The Real Maroonblood]

21 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Cheers mate.

She was living at home until 4 weeks ago. She has dementia and had carers coming in 3 times a day but when lockdown happened her whole routine changed. She started wandering outside and the Police kept on taking her home. 

Ironically she was put into care for her own safety 

👍

[Governor Tarkin]

3 hours ago, Debut 4 said:

 

Also, there’s a docu about the einsatzgruppen and their horrific acts around Eastern Europe. Truly shocking. 

 

3 hours ago, Barack said:

Yeah seen the Einzatzgruppen one. Already knew about them though. But still...

 

3 hours ago, Debut 4 said:

Knew about them but had never really read in depth. This docu goes there. ( as you know).   

 

I've read a fair bit about them out of some morbid fascination but can't bring myself to watch the documentaries.

 

There are some horrors which I'd rather be in denial about tbh. It's just too upsetting.

 

If you ever need convincing that pure evil exist, this was it incarnate.

[Ray Gin]

Incredible what they went through and sacrificed for their country while our generation can't even manage to stay indoors and watch netflix. 

Edited May 8, 2020 by Ray Gin

[Tazio]

I was talking to my elderly mum about it last night and she mentioned a family in her stair not taking part in any celebrations and feeling resentful about it as they has 2 sons in the Far East still fighting and no knowledge of their welfare or if they were still even alive. And I remember as a kid one of them as what seemed like an old man at the time being very mentally damaged from time in Japanese prison camps. 

[Governor Tarkin]

3 hours ago, Debut 4 said:

 

There may not be much sympathy, but one ‘war fact’ was that some 14,000 German troops had to have limbs amputated during the big freeze in Operation Barbarossa😳  14, 000 ffs.  

 

One of my old grandad's good mates was a bloke called Carl. He was conscripted into the German Infantry during WW2, captured at some point, and spent a number of years as a POW. After the war he married an English girl he'd met while a POW and lived out the rest of his life in the UK. 

 

I remember watching some old Saturday afternoon war film with my grandad and I was getting pretty excited about the pasting the Germans were taking in one particular scene. My grandad sat me down and gently explained to me that millions of the young Germans that were sent off to fight weren't Nazis, had been brainwashed by their leaders, or simply didn't want to be there either. That's when he told me that Carl had been a reluctant German soldier, and how would I like it if he'd been killed. I found this difficult to process because as a young kid brough up on a diet of Commando comics and war movies the Germans to my mind were all baddies.

It was a valuable lesson for a young mind.

[The Real Maroonblood]

18 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

Incredible what they went through and sacrificed for their country while our generation can't even manage to stay indoors and watch netflix. 

This.

[Debut 4]

11 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

One of my old grandad's good mates was a bloke called Carl. He was conscripted into the German Infantry during WW2, captured at some point, and spent a number of years as a POW. After the war he married an English girl he'd met while a POW and lived out the rest of his life in the UK. 

 

I remember watching some old Saturday afternoon war film with my grandad and I was getting pretty excited about the pasting the Germans were taking in one particular scene. My grandad sat me down and gently explained to me that millions of the young Germans that were sent off to fight weren't Nazis, had been brainwashed by their leaders, or simply didn't want to be there either. That's when he told me that Carl had been a reluctant German soldier, and how would I like it if he'd been killed. I found this difficult to process because as a young kid brough up on a diet of Commando comics and war movies the Germans to my mind were all baddies.

It was a valuable lesson for a young mind.

👍🏻Get what you’re saying. 
 

My Dad worked beside a former German pilot years after the war who was shot down on the English coast. He ended up settling in Edinburgh. 
 

He basically told my Dad it was his opportunity to get away from Hitler’s Germany. He walked out the sea and actually felt relief as he was captured. 
 

He said you fought for your country because it’s what anyone would do, but after initially hailing Hitler for saving his country, the years rolled on and he started to realise what he was.(as millions of Germans did too) It was catch 22 for alot of Germany’s ordinary military servants. 

 

Edited May 8, 2020 by Debut 4

[Jeff]

16 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

One of my old grandad's good mates was a bloke called Carl. He was conscripted into the German Infantry during WW2, captured at some point, and spent a number of years as a POW. After the war he married an English girl he'd met while a POW and lived out the rest of his life in the UK. 

 

I remember watching some old Saturday afternoon war film with my grandad and I was getting pretty excited about the pasting the Germans were taking in one particular scene. My grandad sat me down and gently explained to me that millions of the young Germans that were sent off to fight weren't Nazis, had been brainwashed by their leaders, or simply didn't want to be there either. That's when he told me that Carl had been a reluctant German soldier, and how would I like it if he'd been killed. I found this difficult to process because as a young kid brough up on a diet of Commando comics and war movies the Germans to my mind were all baddies.

It was a valuable lesson for a young mind.

 

Reminds me of the scene from Band of Brothers where the German captain is giving a speech to his men and you can see the moment Easy Company realise that these were young men like them just doing what they were told

[Jeff]

 

[Morgan]

35 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

Incredible what they went through and sacrificed for their country while our generation can't even manage to stay indoors and watch netflix. 

A funny, but very poignant post there, Ray.  

[Ray Gin]

13 minutes ago, Jeff said:

 

 

 

 

This scene though   

[Jeff]

Just now, Ray Gin said:

 

 

 

This scene though   

 

Episodes 9 and 10 get me teary everytime.

 

Malarkey was the last to leave us back in 2016 iirc. Heroes!

[hmfcbilly]

15 minutes ago, Debut 4 said:

👍🏻Get what you’re saying. 
 

My Dad worked beside a former German pilot years after the war who was shot down on the English coast. He ended up settling in Edinburgh. 
 

He basically told my Dad it was his opportunity to get away from Hitler’s Germany. He walked out the sea and actually felt relief as he was captured. 
 

He said you fought for your country because it’s what anyone would do, but after initially hailing Hitler for saving his country, the years rolled on and he started to realise what he was.(as millions of Germans did too) It was catch 22 for alot of Germany’s ordinary military servants. 

 

Absolutely this. A lot of Germans and other eastern Europeans were forced in to serving or be shot so its no surprise many of them were happy to be captured as POW's. My late grandfather was from a czech town that borders Germany and he was forced to join. He ended up as a POW in Scotland and put to labour on a midlothian farm where he met my Gran and the rest is history. I was only 3 when he passed but my mum always says he never spoke of the war as he was embarrassed and ashamed at having had to fight for the Germans. Some folk may have refused and taken a bullet but I reckon the majority would take their chances, sign up to fight in the hope of surviving the whole horrible situation and getting free. I will always be grateful to the brave millions who fought to give us our freedom and life as we know it. Covid has stalled that temporarily but I'm fairly sure we will, in the not too distant year or years, be free to travel where we want and enjoy the things we almost all took for granted up until this point again and that's thanks to the people who defended our country 75 years ago.  It is also my son's 1st birthday today and tonight when he's in bed I will raise a special glass to the fallen and also the future. Hope you are all coping fellow jambos 

[been here before]

4 hours ago, Debut 4 said:

Aye, in middle of it now funnily enough 👍🏻 Lol

 

There’s another docu on Netflix about The Greatest Battles of WW2. More concentrated, dedicated coverage of specific events throughout the war with comment from historians and professors who specialise in the study of those particular ones covered.  Great programme. 
 

Also, there’s a docu about the einsatzgruppen and their horrific acts around Eastern Europe. Truly shocking. 

 

4 hours ago, Barack said:

Yeah seen the Einzatzgruppen one. Already knew about them though. But still...

 

No-one does a war documentary like the BBC. The World At War aside no-one can hold a candle to them. I got this a few years ago- not sure if its still available but it really is worth selling your wife and children for...

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/BBC-World-War-Collection-Disc/dp/B0007ZD6ZO

[Jeff]

One day my grandson said to me, grandpa were you a hero in the war? And i said to him no I'm not a hero, but I have served in a company full of them.

 

 

always gets me

[Ray Gin]

14 minutes ago, Jeff said:

 

Episodes 9 and 10 get me teary everytime.

 

Malarkey was the last to leave us back in 2016 iirc. Heroes!

 

I did a guided tour at Auschwitz last year and couldn't help thinking of this scene.

 

[Jeff]

Just now, Barack said:

Major Dick Winters. Easy Company 101st Airborne. 506th.

 

Literally just been watching Band of Brothers too.

 

I get teary everytime he says it at the end of 10. Incredible series about incredible men

[Morgan]

9 minutes ago, Jeff said:

One day my grandson said to me, grandpa were you a hero in the war? And i said to him no I'm not a hero, but I have served in a company full of them.

 

 

always gets me

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