CJGJ Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 St Johnstone have "over-egged" their spending on players and are unable to sustain what is a top-six wage bill, admits chairman Steve Brown. The Scottish Premiership club have been criticised for giving Old Firm fans three stands at McDiarmid Park. However, Brown says heavy losses have forced the hand of the Perth outfit. "We're in danger of being hypocrites because we have been outspoken in living within your means," he told BBC Scotland before the draw with Rangers. "This year we're not going to do that, which is disappointing to say the least. I think our wage bill is the sixth in the league, which is far too high. We can't sustain that. "We went for it at the start of the season - we thought we could get into the top six and have a cup run but we just haven't performed and that leaves a huge financial gap and concerns. "We have got reserves, so unfortunately this year we will be hitting them in a big way and posting heavy losses, which is not good." St Johnstone's form has picked up in recent weeks, having lost just once in their last seven league games to move them clear of relegation trouble and to within five points of the top six with a game in hand. In January, manager Tommy Wright was outspoken about a lack of signings and had to quell claims of a "divide" between himself, Brown and new head of football operations Kirsten Robertson. "I still get on with Tommy. Tommy's Tommy," Brown said. "He just gets frustrated. I spoke to him on the Sunday and he was a completely different guy. "Kirsten got a bit of stick, which was a bit unfair. Her remit was to reduce the wage bill so she is just doing her job. "The manager wants more and more players in but he is not all that concerned about getting players out. That's just football at the end of the day." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhammer Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Get them relegated 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Imagine bankrupting yourself over stevie may. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 FFP. 15 point deduction please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Just now, Gashauskis9 said: FFP. 35 point deduction please. FTFY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo654 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Were saints and there fans not quick to help us when we were in trouble? Cash collections for us? Money from tickets? Maybe we should remember this. I could be totally wrong though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) Unreal. Top 6 wage bill when they have really low numbers in home support. sold their souls to the old firm as well because of it. Edited February 23, 2020 by 1971fozzy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Shame like. They’ve not got enough fans though. That’ll always hold them back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, milky_26 said: FTFY True. They’d still finish ahead of us tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castle rock Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, steveo654 said: Were saints and there fans not quick to help us when we were in trouble? Cash collections for us? Money from tickets? Maybe we should remember this. I could be totally wrong though. Was it not caley thistle like yourself I may be totally wrong but I'm sure caley done something to help us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmarkus1981 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 I said this on a different thread earlier in the year. I stayed in Auchterarder over New year, there were two Celtic buses dropping people off one night. St J stadium is 10 minutes down the road. Mental Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canada Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 He's the chairman so why is he complaining about it? Surely he could have prevented that being the case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 I think the other interesting part of the interview is... 'The manager wants more and more players in but he is not all that concerned about getting players out. That's just football at the end of the day." You can see why January was a difficult month and players were sold/moved on Perhaps Wright will be off in the summer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Captain Canada said: He's the chairman so why is he complaining about it? Surely he could have prevented that being the case? He's explaining why the club have sold their soul to the old firm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Just now, Jambof3tornado said: He's explaining why the club have sold their soul to the old firm. and trying to cover for the poor planning because they planned for top 6 and cup runs. and as we all know cups runs are unpredictable, just look at us we have been poor for most of the last two season yet we have made one final and two other semis and could make another semi/final this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 So instead of clubs living of what they can generate through their own fans and business, and finding themselves at a level which matches their turnover, it’s what? Time to sell three quarters of your stadium to OF fans and get in to financial problems by signing players you can’t afford? We were “cheats” for spending out with our means, I look forward to Stuart Cosgrove and all the BBC Scotland boys’ views on what this makes St Johnstone. If they can’t maintain the wages for the position they have held for the last few seasons, then they need accept that, and either get themselves in financial shit pretending they are a top six club, or spend what they can afford and accept they aren’t really a top six club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, mrmarkus1981 said: I said this on a different thread earlier in the year. I stayed in Auchterarder over New year, there were two Celtic buses dropping people off one night. St J stadium is 10 minutes down the road. Mental Just one of many towns that this happens. Corstorphine, Edinburgh, one leaves from the centurian pub. Edited February 23, 2020 by Harry Potter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fort Vallance Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said: So instead of clubs living of what they can generate through their own fans and business, and finding themselves at a level which matches their turnover, it’s what? Time to sell three quarters of your stadium to OF fans and get in to financial problems by signing players you can’t afford? We were “cheats” for spending out with our means, I look forward to Stuart Cosgrove and all the BBC Scotland boys’ views on what this makes St Johnstone. If they can’t maintain the wages for the position they have held for the last few seasons, then they need accept that, and either get themselves in financial shit pretending they are a top six club, or spend what they can afford and accept they aren’t really a top six club. They aren't and never have been a top six club. They had a wee period in the 70's when they had a decent side. If they're honest the move out of town killed them. Watch out Aberdeen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Would quite happily take McCann and Hendry off them to ease their wage bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irufushi Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Giving 3 stands to the rangers today 🤢 **** them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Just now, Fort Vallance said: They aren't and never have been a top six club. They had a wee period in the 70's when they had a decent side. If they're honest the move out of town killed them. Watch out Aberdeen. I know, just waiting to see if they get the same treatment as we did when we were spending out with our means. Maybe it’s different with cute and cuddly wee clubs like St Johnstone though. 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 23 minutes ago, steveo654 said: Were saints and there fans not quick to help us when we were in trouble? Cash collections for us? Money from tickets? Maybe we should remember this. I could be totally wrong though. Yes. They donated part of the ticket price/booking fee to Hearts for the game in Perth early on that season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Is Back Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Juanjo said: Yes. They donated part of the ticket price/booking fee to Hearts for the game in Perth early on that season. Indeed they did. We really shouldn’t forget that. There are lots of things to get angry about in Scottish football, St Johnstone ain’t one of them IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dagger Is Back said: Indeed they did. We really shouldn’t forget that. There are lots of things to get angry about in Scottish football, St Johnstone ain’t one of them IMO They can do as they please. Good on them for helping us out. If they are ever in the shit through their own overspending, then I would expect us to reciprocate. At the end of the day though, them overspending is no different to when we did it, and I expect the press to treat it as such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxteth O'Grady Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 As long as everyone gets paid what they are due then there is no story here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatever Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Hope they go bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 23 minutes ago, CJGJ said: I think the other interesting part of the interview is... 'The manager wants more and more players in but he is not all that concerned about getting players out. That's just football at the end of the day." You can see why January was a difficult month and players were sold/moved on Perhaps Wright will be off in the summer Aye, thats the bit that stood out for me too. Curious club St Johnstone. Well run, established in the top league, usually top 6ish, relatively good cup team,one team town, ground pretty easy to get to, recent cup win... ...but no-one in Perth really seems to care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 St Johnstone helped us but we help them every time we play at McDiarmid. 1. Give them points 2. Sell out We owe them nada.... until we are safe from relegation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, Toxteth O'Grady said: As long as everyone gets paid what they are due then there is no story here Correct. They aren’t overspending or borrowing....they’re simply having to use money they set aside for a rainy day. They’ll make a loss this year but aren’t in any trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynnlondon Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 The move out of town defo hit them. Though the real problem as ever is the pair of utter ***** in the weege Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costanza Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 I thought their wage bill was 1.5m and ours was 6 times that? Well, according to Allan Preston. Was he slavering sh**e? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Pretty well run club. They will continue to reduce the wage bill and the manager can like it or lump it. That's the statement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 30 minutes ago, Gashauskis9 said: Would quite happily take McCann and Hendry off them to ease their wage bill. And their keeper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Their female of Head of Football Operations craps all over our male equivalent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakened Offender Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 59 minutes ago, steveo654 said: Were saints and there fans not quick to help us when we were in trouble? Cash collections for us? Money from tickets? Maybe we should remember this. I could be totally wrong though. You are correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: Imagine bankrupting yourself over stevie may. Bit of irony in your username there ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Is Back Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 30 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said: They can do as they please. Good on them for helping us out. If they are ever in the shit through their own overspending, then I would expect us to reciprocate. At the end of the day though, them overspending is no different to when we did it, and I expect the press to treat it as such. But it’s not the same as us is it? They’re going to post a loss but they have money in the bank to cover it. They’re not going to stiff anyone for monies due. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munro9 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 41 minutes ago, Irufushi said: Giving 3 stands to the rangers today 🤢 **** them Imagine being a St Johnstone season ticket holder, getting moved out of your seat and watching that mob fill three quarters of your ground. Morally bankrupt little club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 40 minutes ago, Dagger Is Back said: Indeed they did. We really shouldn’t forget that. There are lots of things to get angry about in Scottish football, St Johnstone ain’t one of them IMO Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, DETTY29 said: Their female of Head of Football Operations craps all over our male equivalent? Borders girl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 They're not going bust ffs. They've overspent. Will spend the next 2/3 seasons correcting it. Might get lucky with a couple of player sales. The fact he's acknowledge it shows there will be an effort to fix it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 43 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said: They can do as they please. Good on them for helping us out. If they are ever in the shit through their own overspending, then I would expect us to reciprocate. At the end of the day though, them overspending is no different to when we did it, and I expect the press to treat it as such. Baffling response to two entirely different scenarios. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomethingAboutObua Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Interesting enough and glad they're explaining their recent criticisms-like the 3 stands/no player additions, but all he's doing is pretty much telling the fans they will probably be bottom 6 next season and they have their spending reviewed and under control. Good move to let their fans know this early on I expect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, Dagger Is Back said: But it’s not the same as us is it? They’re going to post a loss but they have money in the bank to cover it. They’re not going to stiff anyone for monies due. Good on them. Afterwards you would assume they will cut their cloth to their means, and that will affect their ability to finish as high up the league. They will be able to afford a bit more by selling three quarters of their stadium to Celtic and Rangers four times a season though, so that will help. The majority of our debt came from having to find the money to build an all seater stadium, something St Johnstone didn’t have to worry about thanks to the generosity of a rich supporter. Hopefully their crowds don’t drop any further, and they don’t accrue debt. Good luck to them, but they will need to decide whether or not to continue making that loss, or spend what a club with their size of crowds can afford in future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My half sister Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 I hope they reach a cup final this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunks Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 55 minutes ago, Dagger Is Back said: Indeed they did. We really shouldn’t forget that. There are lots of things to get angry about in Scottish football, St Johnstone ain’t one of them IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionDJambo Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 I have a belief that if a club can, it should sell seats to punters who want to go to a match. It makes no sense to lock people out who would have paid to get in. The fans are the life of the game, even the annoying ones. The only exception would be if they constantly caused security problems by their numbers. So I don’t see the problem in selling what they feel isn’t going to be taken up by home fans to Celtic and Rangers. If St Johnstone fans don’t like that, the blame lies with the locals who don’t support the club financially. It’s the same at Tynecastle. If we can’t sell part of the Roseburn to Hearts fans, it makes no sense to turn away cash from away fans who want to go along. There are issues with the behaviour of the Glasgow 2 at Tynecastle, though, which if they can’t be sorted, should cause a restriction in their numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Who have St Johnstone got next weekend I wonder? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Dagger Is Back said: Indeed they did. We really shouldn’t forget that. There are lots of things to get angry about in Scottish football, St Johnstone ain’t one of them IMO Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, SectionDJambo said: I have a belief that if a club can, it should sell seats to punters who want to go to a match. It makes no sense to lock people out who would have paid to get in. The fans are the life of the game, even the annoying ones. The only exception would be if they constantly caused security problems by their numbers. So I don’t see the problem in selling what they feel isn’t going to be taken up by home fans to Celtic and Rangers. If St Johnstone fans don’t like that, the blame lies with the locals who don’t support the club financially. It’s the same at Tynecastle. If we can’t sell part of the Roseburn to Hearts fans, it makes no sense to turn away cash from away fans who want to go along. There are issues with the behaviour of the Glasgow 2 at Tynecastle, though, which if they can’t be sorted, should cause a restriction in their numbers. Totally disagree. I believe no club should ever sell more tickets to away supporters than to its own support. Opinions though, I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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