S Form Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Having young boys like Irving and McDonald playing in pressure games is very high risk. But that’s only part of it. Daniel’s determination to only play one way and his adherence to zonal marking are giving us problems not solutions. It’s pretty clear he knows very little about the Scottish game. Things are not looking good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice of reason Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, Sarah O said: are you mental? You think someone is mental to think Hearts can get 1 more point than Hamilton over 12 games? Utterly bizarre. I am not saying we will but saying someone is mental for thinking it’s possible is quite frankly, mental! People are talking like we are 10 points behind rather than 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboman9 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Morgan said: What’s with the new ‘mate’ tact to folk? Adds a bit extra annoyance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 20 minutes ago, indianajones said: Still quietly confident we'll be alright. A lot of points still to play for. If it helps you sleep at night then bash on feeling “quietly confident”! Me? it’s like a feckin nightmare as I think we are struggling! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Just now, jamboman9 said: Adds a bit extra annoyance Like he needs that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimCornette Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 I'm still scratching my heid we haven't kicked on from the Newco game and performance. I was certain that would be the catalyst. Naismith and Boyce should be formidable, Clare is on fire, Smith is brilliant and there's talent around the squad. Our keeper is gash, and the defence has looked wobbly recently, so I really don't know what to think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearts00 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Look here’s the bottom line. We 100% deserve to get relegated and 100% look like we will right now. Stendel has not worked so far. There are only two teams we can catch. And we are starting on pretty much the same points. We don’t have to play Rangers or Celtic again and will play all the bottom 5 teams after the break. If we can’t win enough games to finish above St Mirren and Hamilton it is a complete disgrace on top of the utter disgrace we have witnessed so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: It's a bot that's learning all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 50 minutes ago, SomethingAboutObua said: Here's the next 5 for us, Saints and Accies. Imo St J, Killie and County can't be caught anymore. Honestly couldn't tell you how the table will be after these 5 matches or guess our results after losing to Kilmarnock and St Mirren somehow winning randomly at times. HMFC Accies, St Mirren, Hibs, Motherwell, Livi- 2 wins? St MIRREN Motherwell, Hearts, St J, Celtic, Kilmarnock -2 wins? HAMILTON Hearts, Motherwell, Rangers, Kilmarnock, Ross County -Ideally 0 wins Win our next two, as unlikely as that is and we are only one point behind County if they lose their next two games (which could happen). Winning the next two for us is huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 11 minutes ago, Voice of reason said: You think someone is mental to think Hearts can get 1 more point than Hamilton over 12 games? Utterly bizarre. I am not saying we will but saying someone is mental for thinking it’s possible is quite frankly, mental! People are talking like we are 10 points behind rather than 1. Yes. After 26 games we are 1point behind them. What evidence would suggest that over the next 12 games we'll better that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Morgan. If we lose and St M win on the weekend, someone on here will be delighted. Bet you know who it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIO Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 This next 2 or 5 games stuff needs to be binned. All that matters is Saturdays game, a win and we can ,only then, look forward to the next game with some optimism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, Gambo said: Win our next two, as unlikely as that is and we are only one point behind County if they lose their next two games (which could happen). Winning the next two for us is huge. We are certainly running out of road. The next two matches are critical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 I'm feeling properly despondent now. See what Saturday brings but right now I wouldn't bet on us to beat this thing. This is bread and butter for Hamilton, they fight for their lives every season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Morgan Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, Kiwidoug said: Morgan. If we lose and St M win on the weekend, someone on here will be delighted. Bet you know who it is. Furtively scratching my head, Doug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Only by beating Hamilton can a positive outlook ensue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatlock Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 We are seriously crap as a team but we have seen some good individual performances. Stendel brought in 4 players in the window and stated they knew how to play His style. We still haven’t managed to get all four in the team at the same time. We probably won’t see all four in the team for a while yet. So our must recruit well mantra has Been a massive let down, Boyce apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice of reason Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Sarah O said: Yes. After 26 games we are 1point behind them. What evidence would suggest that over the next 12 games we'll better that? Might as well just stop the league now then from top to bottom. You seem to think the league positions at week 26 always end up the same as week 38. Anyone thinking they might alter are clearly mental? Do you really believe that? Also, If we win on Saturday and go 2 points above Hamilton will you then say we are safe from finishing bottom? Because we will have bettered them after 27 games and then what evidence would there then be that Hamilton would better us over the next 11 games? This place is mental after a defeat. A bad result tonight but nowhere near the worst performance we’ve had at Celtic. The Hamilton performance against a really poor Aberdeen team last night was far worse. Since the winter break we have gained 5 points, Hamilton have gained 1. If that pattern continues they are going down and we will at least get to the playoffs. It’s hardly mental for a Hearts fan to say they are mildly optimistic about survival. You can give up hope if you want but I’ll keep being hopeful a near miracle can occur and we can gain 1 more point than Hamilton over the next 12 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrumpet Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 2 hours ago, jamboman9 said: Adds a bit extra annoyance Nicely passive aggressive, eh, mate... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StirlingJambo Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 On the evidence of watching that crap every week I think we’ll go down. The players just aren’t good enough I’m afraid, and with confidence being shot it’ll make it even harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hueyview Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 4 hours ago, SomethingAboutObua said: Here's the next 5 for us, Saints and Accies. Imo St J, Killie and County can't be caught anymore. Honestly couldn't tell you how the table will be after these 5 matches or guess our results after losing to Kilmarnock and St Mirren somehow winning randomly at times. HMFC Accies, St Mirren, Hibs, Motherwell, Livi- 2 wins? St MIRREN Motherwell, Hearts, St J, Celtic, Kilmarnock -2 wins? HAMILTON Hearts, Motherwell, Rangers, Kilmarnock, Ross County -Ideally 0 wins Can all three teams parking the bus to stay in running for 10th place.... Boycie being Hearts possible ace up the sleeve... Saturdays game will say it all...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 I gather from post match comments I've read that Naismith and Smith are both injured. If they can't play on Saturday that will be horrendous. I keep saying our luck needs to change but it never happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie Eskilsson Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 7 hours ago, iantjambo said: Hamilton will scrap for absolutely everything on Saturday. I’ve serious doubts that we can match that. It’s not just to do with scrapping, or replacing the keeper, its to do with the way our team is set up. Killie and St Johnstone defended solidly and picked us off on the break. Hamilton and St Mirren will do the same. Stendel’s tactics leave us wide open to this. It’s naive and it underestimates the opposition. His plan to attack Celtic was irresponsible, He should have been trying to tighten up our defence in preparation for the remaining games. I’ve said all along that we must support the team through this battle but at the end of the season we need an objective review of the way the club is being run. Stendel’s appointment was a huge gamble and so far the stats don’t suggest that it’s paying off: P16 W2 D4 L10 F15 A28 Pts 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie Eskilsson Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, Ernie Eskilsson said: It’s not just to do with scrapping, or replacing the keeper, its to do with the way our team is set up. Killie and St Johnstone defended solidly and picked us off on the break. Hamilton and St Mirren will do the same. Stendel’s tactics leave us wide open to this. It’s naive and it underestimates the opposition. His plan to attack Celtic was irresponsible, He should have been trying to tighten up our defence in preparation for the remaining games. I’ve said all along that we must support the team through this battle but at the end of the season we need an objective review of the way the club is being run. Stendel’s appointment was a huge gamble and so far the stats don’t suggest that it’s paying off: P16 W2 D4 L10 F15 A28 Pts 10 Copied the wrong stats there, should be: P10 W1 D3 L7 F9 A20 Pts 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 4 hours ago, Kiwidoug said: I gather from post match comments I've read that Naismith and Smith are both injured. If they can't play on Saturday that will be horrendous. I keep saying our luck needs to change but it never happens. Naismith played the full 90 mins, did he not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 37 minutes ago, Ernie Eskilsson said: It’s not just to do with scrapping, or replacing the keeper, its to do with the way our team is set up. Killie and St Johnstone defended solidly and picked us off on the break. Hamilton and St Mirren will do the same. Stendel’s tactics leave us wide open to this. It’s naive and it underestimates the opposition. His plan to attack Celtic was irresponsible, He should have been trying to tighten up our defence in preparation for the remaining games. I’ve said all along that we must support the team through this battle but at the end of the season we need an objective review of the way the club is being run. Stendel’s appointment was a huge gamble and so far the stats don’t suggest that it’s paying off: P16 W2 D4 L10 F15 A28 Pts 10 Neither Kilmarnock or St Johnstone ‘defended solidly’. They conceded 2 and 3 goals respectively to the team that is currently bottom of the league. Both could have conceded more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsalldothebeattie Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Must win both games. We can’t afford any form of slip up in either of the games. If we want to stand any chance of staying up it’s 6 points or bust for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 9 hours ago, neilnunb said: Worried about the St Mirren game. Arses might collapse if we lose the first goal. Last chance saloon not far off. 😒 Obika will have a party against our defence. We’ll need to score 3 just to guarantee a draw! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schillaci Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 6 hours ago, Voice of reason said: The Hamilton performance against a really poor Aberdeen team last night was far worse. Since the winter break we have gained 5 points, Hamilton have gained 1. If that pattern continues they are going down and we will at least get to the playoffs. It’s hardly mental for a Hearts fan to say they are mildly optimistic about survival. You can give up hope if you want but I’ll keep being hopeful a near miracle can occur and we can gain 1 more point than Hamilton over the next 12 games. The statistic on points since the break is v important for context. If we win on Saturday there is another team in freefall, and we are on the up. The direction of travel for two teams becomes clear. Those frustrating single points against Aberdeen, Ross County and St Johnstone are now of clear value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 48 minutes ago, Ernie Eskilsson said: It’s not just to do with scrapping, or replacing the keeper, its to do with the way our team is set up. Killie and St Johnstone defended solidly and picked us off on the break. Hamilton and St Mirren will do the same. Stendel’s tactics leave us wide open to this. It’s naive and it underestimates the opposition. His plan to attack Celtic was irresponsible, He should have been trying to tighten up our defence in preparation for the remaining games. I’ve said all along that we must support the team through this battle but at the end of the season we need an objective review of the way the club is being run. Stendel’s appointment was a huge gamble and so far the stats don’t suggest that it’s paying off: P16 W2 D4 L10 F15 A28 Pts 10 Your stats are out mate. Focusing on league alone, it’s played 10, won 1, drawn 3, lost 6 (so 6 points from 30). Looks like you’ve included one of the cup wins. To be fair, his record is played 2, won 2 in the cup 😎. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambogaza Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 One game at a time. Saturday is a must win. If these players value hearts place in the top league, they will ensure victory. No ****ing excuses. But please please please drop the goalkeeper. He could be the difference between winning and losing this game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Agree with all of this. Saturday is the very definition of a must win game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uche Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 We were always going to get humped at Celtic Park. We are in a relegation battle for a reason. Next two league games are simply must wins. Anything less than 6 points is a disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Two wins would be ideal but, given the injury problems and constant changes, not losing to either might be more realistic. Keep them within touching distance and pick them off in the final stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter McGavin Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) We need to win the next 2 or it’s over. Edited February 13, 2020 by Shooter McGavin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JI TEES Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Yup we are bottom of the league anything other than a win against Hamilton and we are definitely down. If we can't beat Hamilton at home we deserve to go down that's the bottom line. They have been the better team in our previous two meetings so sat isn't going to be straight forward.. We are in big, big trouble. Defensively as a team an utter shambles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebles jambo Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 If butterfingers is still in goal we're going down. the defence must no faith in him at all Must take 6 points from next 2 games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 1 hour ago, The Treasurer said: Agree with all of this. Saturday is the very definition of a must win game. Should be played like a cup final, any player not giving 100% should be shown the door, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 14 hours ago, JimCornette said: I'm still scratching my heid we haven't kicked on from the Newco game and performance. I was certain that would be the catalyst. Naismith and Boyce should be formidable, Clare is on fire, Smith is brilliant and there's talent around the squad. Our keeper is gash, and the defence has looked wobbly recently, so I really don't know what to think. Scratch your head no further - we have a keeper who has given away at least 6 goals in the last 3 league games and a central defence that have absolutely no confidence in him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmiyaHearts Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 We haven't won two consecutive league matches in over a year. It's done. I'm hoping we can make the playoff spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie Eskilsson Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 8 hours ago, Mr Elwood P said: Neither Kilmarnock or St Johnstone ‘defended solidly’. They conceded 2 and 3 goals respectively to the team that is currently bottom of the league. Both could have conceded more! Tbh St Johnstone could have scored 6 in Perth without being flattered and they beat us 1-0 at Tynie in Stendel’s first game by playing exactly as I describe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie Eskilsson Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 8 hours ago, Gashauskis9 said: Your stats are out mate. Focusing on league alone, it’s played 10, won 1, drawn 3, lost 6 (so 6 points from 30). Looks like you’ve included one of the cup wins. To be fair, his record is played 2, won 2 in the cup 😎. Yep agreed that’s not good reading tho is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macros Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) We've had truly critical moments in the past, the financial difficulties leading to Wallace Mercer's takeover and the St. Mirren possible last game scenario, but I think our next two league games rank alongside those moments. The infamous 5-year-plan is already out the window but relegation would mean losing our best prospects for much lower fees than if we were still in the top league and the financial hit overall would put us back at least 3 or more years. It would also mean Stendel moving on (not convinced that would necessarily be a bad thing) and would also mean a revamp of the board (again not necessarily a bad thing) but ultimately whilst some of the changes it would bring off the pitch would actually be good in the long run, relegation would be a disaster on the pitch and we must ensure it doesn't happen. Edited February 13, 2020 by Macros Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimCornette Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 4 hours ago, OmiyaHearts said: We haven't won two consecutive league matches in over a year. It's done. I'm hoping we can make the playoff spot. 3 wins (11%) in 26 this season is definitely a concern. It's hard to not want to throttle Levein for multiple millions he's wasted building this substandard squad. I still reckon we'll have enough to get ahead of Hamilton and stay up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmiyaHearts Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 1 minute ago, JimCornette said: 3 wins (11%) in 26 this season is definitely a concern. It's hard to not want to throttle Levein for multiple millions he's wasted building this substandard squad. I still reckon we'll have enough to get ahead of Hamilton and stay up. Throttle? That's putting it lightly, mate. He should never be forgiven for his tenure or allowed near the club again, whatever happens at the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinT Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 4 hours ago, OmiyaHearts said: We haven't won two consecutive league matches in over a year. It's done. I'm hoping we can make the playoff spot. Still plenty of points to play for. Definitely not going down. St Mirren and Hamilton will fill the bottom two spots with Hamilton likely to be the automatic relegation fall guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonsgotop Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 22 hours ago, indianajones said: Still quietly confident we'll be alright. A lot of points still to play for. 36 points to play for. we've won 7 points out of the last 42 so it's gonna take a helluva turnaround to succeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) Last 5 games US 5 Liedown 3 hamillton 1 They are going to struggle all the way, we simply need to stick the knife in by trying hard every game - Edited February 13, 2020 by Ricardo Quaresma typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Future's Maroon Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Are folk forgetting we play both Hamilton and St Midden twice before the season is out? Yes, I agree Saturday is massive and we really could do with the win...there are still plenty games to go....a lot against the teams around us. We need a run....three wins would be great, two wins and a draw would do....for me we need to be in touch come the split. Still glass half full and not throwing in the towel, even if we don’t get three points on Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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