Unknown user Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Hmfc1965 said: It isn't though. He might have been a tad OTT but so was Sturgeon She should be ashamed for being insensitive to Sri Lankans by using the word tsunami though? Seriously? JKB the home of amateur dramatics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Badgy Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, NANOJAMBO said: I've blocked him but have looked in occasionally when I can see he's spamming up the thread. Frankly, he's not in the least amusing (to me) , he's tedious, petty & insulting but smart enough to never do anyting that will get him banned from the thread - so we have to put up with his ranting & raving. But, yeah, he certainly keeps on "giving". Additionally, a few new accounts turned up a couple of months ago that agree with he says so there's a decent chance he's multi-accounting the thread. I have no idea how me has that much time to spend on a message board. The number of hours spent on here much be close to what most people spend at work. Edited December 12, 2021 by Bindy Badgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 6 hours ago, JamesM48 said: You should know with your extensive knowledge of domestic violence that some words can have a shattering and damaging impact on some people. They can be used in so many negative ways to perpetuate abuse . She knew exactly why she used that word yesterday . It was to create fear and anxiety . It was abusive . Sober James is going to be disappointed with drunk James for that one. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 10 minutes ago, Bindy Badgy said: Additionally, a few new accounts turned up a couple of months ago that agree with he says so there's a decent chance he's multi-accounting the thread. I have no idea how me has that much time to spend on a message board. The number of hours spent on here much be close to what most people spend at work. This is the same guy who can’t even keep track of his own opinion or what he posted the day before so I’d guess that was unlikely 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 (edited) 😂 This thread is an advent calendar of comedy hysteria and utter bollocks Can't wait to open tomorrow's window 😂 Edited December 12, 2021 by The Mighty Thor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 5 hours ago, Smithee said: She should be ashamed for being insensitive to Sri Lankans by using the word tsunami though? Seriously? JKB the home of amateur dramatics She should be ashamed of soiling her pants over Omicron and using language that was deliberately designed to terrify people. Most of us can decipher the lies, half-truths and hyperbole that passes her lips but others are more fragile and may well actually believe her. The use of the word Tsunami was morally and ethically reprehensible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Don't see the issue with using the term tsunami 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ That said, if it turns out like I'm hoping and expecting and it's merely a lapping ripple then she'll look like a bit of a tit not worth listening to in future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 (edited) Has James spent another night out in the pub on his phone posting to KB? Have a break man. Jeez, this thread is quite literally your blog. Can’t go a day without a ton of posts even if you’re meant to be out with your pals Edited December 12, 2021 by kila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Badgy Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 26 minutes ago, Taffin said: Don't see the issue with using the term tsunami 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ That said, if it turns out like I'm hoping and expecting and it's merely a lapping ripple then she'll look like a bit of a tit not worth listening to in future. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-defeating_prophecy Quote Epidemics with grim projections also encourage changes that can prevent those projections from coming true and in turn lead to people questioning the necessity of those changes because the projections did not come true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, kila said: Has James spent another night out in the pub on his phone posting to KB? Have a break man. Jeez, this thread is quite literally your blog. Can’t go a day without a ton of posts even if you’re meant to be out with your pals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costanza Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Sturgeon now on a par with Rodney Marsh? Sheesh, tough crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 17 minutes ago, Bindy Badgy said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-defeating_prophecy Yeh it's a fair challenge, but folk like Ferguson have unfortunately heavily undermined the 'experts' gravitas when it comes to projections. In defence of Sturgeon she at least tempered it with maybes, coulds and mights, which is of course true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Enzo Chiefo said: She should be ashamed of soiling her pants over Omicron and using language that was deliberately designed to terrify people. Most of us can decipher the lies, half-truths and hyperbole that passes her lips but others are more fragile and may well actually believe her. The use of the word Tsunami was morally and ethically reprehensible. Well that wasn't what the guy said at all, but that aside, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Denuto Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Taffin said: Don't see the issue with using the term tsunami 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ That said, if it turns out like I'm hoping and expecting and it's merely a lapping ripple then she'll look like a bit of a tit not worth listening to in future. Taff I think the issue is she would not use a term like Tsunami unless she was pretty certain a very large new wave was coming. It isn’t the kind of language she normally uses in these briefings. So it increases the likelihood that more restrictions are coming is high IMO. I hope she’s wrong though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 NHS: You have not submit your covid pass document, comply here now: https://gov.nhs-covid-verify.com I received this over night I recon it’s a scam text as I haves no need to submit my Covid pass document. Anyone else get one of these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Enzo Chiefo said: She should be ashamed of soiling her pants over Omicron and using language that was deliberately designed to terrify people. Most of us can decipher the lies, half-truths and hyperbole that passes her lips but others are more fragile and may well actually believe her. The use of the word Tsunami was morally and ethically reprehensible. Correct the krankies lap it all up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 31 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said: NHS: You have not submit your covid pass document, comply here now: https://gov.nhs-covid-verify.com I received this over night I recon it’s a scam text as I haves no need to submit my Covid pass document. Anyone else get one of these? its a .com address thus is almost guaranteed to be fake, if it was real it wouls be either a .uk, .scot or .wales address depending on where in the uk you live Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbert. Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 3 hours ago, Bindy Badgy said: Additionally, a few new accounts turned up a couple of months ago that agree with he says so there's a decent chance he's multi-accounting the thread. I have no idea how me has that much time to spend on a message board. The number of hours spent on here much be close to what most people spend at work. Yup nailed it. Anyone that agrees with something you don't agree with must just be the same person on multiple accounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 John Swinney said it’s “galloping towards us now” does a tsunami gallop ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 From the Beeb The first people in the UK have been hospitalised with Omicron infections, Nadhim Zahawi has said. The new variant of coronavirus now accounts for a third of cases in London, the education secretary said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 11 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: John Swinney said it’s “galloping towards us now” does a tsunami gallop ? Yet still only 100 or so cases of the sniffles.🤔 Has it fallen at the first? John Swinney is, as we know, a trumpet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 @jonesy @milky_26 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Footballfirst said: From the Beeb The first people in the UK have been hospitalised with Omicron infections, Nadhim Zahawi has said. The new variant of coronavirus now accounts for a third of cases in London, the education secretary said. I heard that too. My question at the time was, are they in hospital with Omricon or because of Omricon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 3 hours ago, Bindy Badgy said: Additionally, a few new accounts turned up a couple of months ago that agree with he says so there's a decent chance he's multi-accounting the thread. I have no idea how me has that much time to spend on a message board. The number of hours spent on here much be close to what most people spend at work. Absolute paranoia. You do know the mods can easily find out if you have multiple accounts ? Your playing the Alex K game of discrediting someone in anyway possible. Pathetic really. 3 hours ago, Alex Kintner said: Sober James is going to be disappointed with drunk James for that one. 😁 I was perfectly sober last night. Unfortunately 2 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said: She should be ashamed of soiling her pants over Omicron and using language that was deliberately designed to terrify people. Most of us can decipher the lies, half-truths and hyperbole that passes her lips but others are more fragile and may well actually believe her. The use of the word Tsunami was morally and ethically reprehensible. Shes vile. 2 hours ago, Taffin said: Don't see the issue with using the term tsunami 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ That said, if it turns out like I'm hoping and expecting and it's merely a lapping ripple then she'll look like a bit of a tit not worth listening to in future. Hopefully but like some on this she has no humility when proven wrong and will just worm her way out of saying it by saying she was " cautious" 2 hours ago, kila said: Has James spent another night out in the pub on his phone posting to KB? Have a break man. Jeez, this thread is quite literally your blog. Can’t go a day without a ton of posts even if you’re meant to be out with your pals Thanks for your concern but I am able to multi task you know. I can talk to people , watch tv, do anything and still scan forum. Ill give myself a break when i decide to nit at your bequest. No one is making you read the thread or just set me on " ignore" 52 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: Correct the krankies lap it all up So True luckily once we have Indy 2 and the result is no then they will be back in their box and she will be writing her memoirs or on some UN group of some sort. 20 minutes ago, Herbert said: Yup nailed it. Anyone that agrees with something you don't agree with must just be the same person on multiple accounts. Yes that seems to be their logic. And they call me nuts. Classic case of discrediting peoples views by saying they are crazy or the like so it invalidate their view. Im very shocked at Alex as he is apparently an ambassador for " gender based violence" and he knows that this kind of tactic is used by men against women to humiliate them and abuse them. He should know better. Maybe he thinks its ok cause im a guy ? 14 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: John Swinney said it’s “galloping towards us now” does a tsunami gallop ? OH hes as thick as pig shit. He used to work in my friends restaurant many years ago. He was a KP. Maybe he should have stuck to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 9 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said: I heard that too. My question at the time was, are they in hospital with Omricon or because of Omricon. what ages are they ? more details please ? Not from you i meant i meant from media . we probably wont get those details. My guess is the usual suspects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: Thanks for your concern but I am able to multi task you know. I can talk to people , watch tv, do anything and still scan forum. Ill give myself a break when i decide to nit at your bequest. No one is making you read the thread or just set me on " ignore" I'd never have you on ignore James as I'd lose out on watching your entertaining meltdowns, especially when you've clearly had a few drinks Doubt your boyfriend is as confident in your multitasking as you think you are Edited December 12, 2021 by kila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbert. Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: Yes that seems to be their logic. And they call me nuts. Classic case of discrediting peoples views by saying they are crazy or the like so it invalidate their view. Im very shocked at Alex as he is apparently an ambassador for " gender based violence" and he knows that this kind of tactic is used by men against women to humiliate them and abuse them. He should know better. Maybe he thinks its ok cause im a guy ? They are sheep, they get told what to think from a bunch of liars. Alex probably does the job for hints and tips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auldbenches Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 11 hours ago, Alex Kintner said: The ability to be a cliche, stereotype and parody at the same time is quite the skill. 😄 What a put down. Anyone on the receiving end of this basically has to just concede. No gif is going to work on this James. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 28 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: From the Beeb The first people in the UK have been hospitalised with Omicron infections, Nadhim Zahawi has said. The new variant of coronavirus now accounts for a third of cases in London, the education secretary said. “mild cold and sniffles” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, kila said: I'd never have you on ignore James as I'd lose out on watching your entertaining meltdowns, especially when you've clearly had a few drinks Doubt your boyfriend is as confident in your multitasking as you think you are oh Jesus now the rumour is my " meltdowns" are due to my drinking? I drink once a week if that. My " meltdowns" are no alcohol related. I don't know if that's a good thing or not. OH Hes very happy with my multi tasking skills . That's not a problem at him. . Very content. Edited December 12, 2021 by JamesM48 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 29 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: From the Beeb The first people in the UK have been hospitalised with Omicron infections, Nadhim Zahawi has said. The new variant of coronavirus now accounts for a third of cases in London, the education secretary said. I don't think anyone has said that there will be nobody in hospital that has tested positive with omicron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, Herbert said: They are sheep, they get told what to think from a bunch of liars. Alex probably does the job for hints and tips. Makes me wonder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Alex Kintner said: “mild cold and sniffles” There will be loads of colds and sniffles in hospital, it's one of the most likely places that you'll catch something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 13 hours ago, jonesy said: That's the odd part - why are so few 'good news' CV19 stories seen on the BBC (many folks' main info source in this country). Do they feel they have a duty to ensure rule/restriction compliance? (or, indeed, do the government(s) have their ear and ensure that they push a certain agenda?). Bad news sells. What really boils my piss is that given the way we fund the beeb such editorialising isn't needed - time they got back to reporting the news rather than making it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Kintner Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: There will be loads of colds and sniffles in hospital, it's one of the most likely places that you'll catch something You don’t get admitted to hospital because of a mild cold or sniffles. 👍🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 11 hours ago, Alex Kintner said: Folk losing their shit over the choice of a word. Sturgeon totally living rent free in so many heads 😂 Gee whizz Alex, folks regularly pilloried on here for getting words wrong. Including if I may gently add by your good self 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 32 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: Absolute paranoia. You do know the mods can easily find out if you have multiple accounts ? Your playing the Alex K game of discrediting someone in anyway possible. Pathetic really. I was perfectly sober last night. Unfortunately Shes vile. Hopefully but like some on this she has no humility when proven wrong and will just worm her way out of saying it by saying she was " cautious" Thanks for your concern but I am able to multi task you know. I can talk to people , watch tv, do anything and still scan forum. Ill give myself a break when i decide to nit at your bequest. No one is making you read the thread or just set me on " ignore" So True luckily once we have Indy 2 and the result is no then they will be back in their box and she will be writing her memoirs or on some UN group of some sort. Yes that seems to be their logic. And they call me nuts. Classic case of discrediting peoples views by saying they are crazy or the like so it invalidate their view. Im very shocked at Alex as he is apparently an ambassador for " gender based violence" and he knows that this kind of tactic is used by men against women to humiliate them and abuse them. He should know better. Maybe he thinks its ok cause im a guy ? OH hes as thick as pig shit. He used to work in my friends restaurant many years ago. He was a KP. Maybe he should have stuck to that. anyone else feeling left out here? 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBJambo Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 16 minutes ago, Alex Kintner said: “mild cold and sniffles” For the vast vast majority it will be a case of the sniffles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 The range of scenarios provided to the governments include a 'best' case (of the range) that assumes a rate of severe illness of 50% that of Delta. Representative of that, the working figure is 1% of infections becoming hospitalisations. As before, hospitalisations occur approximately 15 to 30 days after the infection. Yesterday we were treated to the eternal point missing ignorance about current hospitalisations being very low as some kind of proof that omicron is being over-estimated. Utter rubbish. Yesterday's hospitalisation are representative of Delta infections of 15 to 30 days prior. When the omicron figures begin to feed in, hospitalisations will arise accordingly. Day 'x' infections = day 'x'+15 - 'x'+30 hospitalisations. So we'll see how it goes. It's possible the severity will be less than 50% of Delta. Let's hope so. Omicron infections are only now beginning to reach the hospitalisation window and in trivial numbers. You still need to track the true relationship between infections and hospitalisations along the same time staggered line. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 44 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: Absolute paranoia. You do know the mods can easily find out if you have multiple accounts ? Your playing the Alex K game of discrediting someone in anyway possible. Pathetic really. I was perfectly sober last night. Unfortunately Shes vile. Hopefully but like some on this she has no humility when proven wrong and will just worm her way out of saying it by saying she was " cautious" Thanks for your concern but I am able to multi task you know. I can talk to people , watch tv, do anything and still scan forum. Ill give myself a break when i decide to nit at your bequest. No one is making you read the thread or just set me on " ignore" So True luckily once we have Indy 2 and the result is no then they will be back in their box and she will be writing her memoirs or on some UN group of some sort. Yes that seems to be their logic. And they call me nuts. Classic case of discrediting peoples views by saying they are crazy or the like so it invalidate their view. Im very shocked at Alex as he is apparently an ambassador for " gender based violence" and he knows that this kind of tactic is used by men against women to humiliate them and abuse them. He should know better. Maybe he thinks its ok cause im a guy ? OH hes as thick as pig shit. He used to work in my friends restaurant many years ago. He was a KP. Maybe he should have stuck to that. It was only a couple of days ago you were calling people who held a different view to you “morons” and “half wits”. BTW, if you’re quick to take offence at certain words you might want to look up what moron actually means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 35 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: I don't think anyone has said that there will be nobody in hospital that has tested positive with omicron I think Enzo observed yesterday that there had been no hospitaliations from over 1000 confirmed Omicron cases and that this could be the variant we were waiting for. I hope he is right, but I suspect that it will be wishful thinking, at least for the next month or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 13 minutes ago, Victorian said: Yesterday we were treated to the eternal point missing ignorance about current hospitalisations being very low as some kind of proof that omicron is being over-estimated. Utter rubbish. Yesterday's hospitalisation are representative of Delta infections of 15 to 30 days prior. When the omicron figures begin to feed in, hospitalisations will arise accordingly. Day 'x' infections = day 'x'+15 - 'x'+30 hospitalisations. So we'll see how it goes. It's possible the severity will be less than 50% of Delta. Let's hope so. Omicron infections are only now beginning to reach the hospitalisation window and in trivial numbers. You still need to track the true relationship between infections and hospitalisations along the same time staggered line. 👍 Well said. And let's not forget the conspiracy theorists accusing the BBC of chasing scaremongering headlines. Keep up the good work, I find your stuff very informative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 27 minutes ago, GBJambo said: For the vast vast majority it will be a case of the sniffles. It's not about the vast majority. Two years of this , and people still not getting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 minute ago, NANOJAMBO said: Well said. And let's not forget the conspiracy theorists accusing the BBC of chasing scaremongering headlines. Keep up the good work, I find your stuff very informative. Thank you and likewise. I suppose we'll see it progressing soon and take it from there. I accept all accusations of wanting it to be really bad, just to prove a point, etc. (long sigh of resignation). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBJambo Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said: It's not about the vast majority. Two years of this , and people still not getting it. I get it perfectly . It’s about protecting the elderly and vulnerable. Or is something else? Is it to protect the NHS or is to protect essential services? They keep changing their minds as and when one group is protected. They move onto something else. Sure it will be something else soon 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 4 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said: 😂 This thread is an advent calendar of comedy hysteria and utter bollocks Can't wait to open tomorrow's window 😂 This has made my day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 minute ago, GBJambo said: I get it perfectly . It’s about protecting the elderly and vulnerable. Or is something else? Is it to protect the NHS or is to protect essential services? You tell me. They keep changing their minds strangely, we live in ever changing times , with an ever mutating virus . In fact , we've got two on the go simultaneously. as and when one group is protected. They move onto something else. Sure it will be something else soon 😂 I'm sure you're right. It's hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auldbenches Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 56 minutes ago, Japan Jambo said: anyone else feeling left out here? 🤣 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Vince Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 14 hours ago, Victorian said: If any media organisation is ever going to resist being controlled or censored by a government, damn right it will be the BBC. Their entire ethos is puritanical neutrality and independence. The idea they would be controlled by the gvt is ridiculous. Nurse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 23 minutes ago, GBJambo said: I get it perfectly . It’s about protecting the elderly and vulnerable. Or is something else? Is it to protect the NHS or is to protect essential services? They keep changing their minds as and when one group is protected. They move onto something else. Sure it will be something else soon 😂 No offence but it appears you don't get it. It's about protecting everyone. The tiny percentage who might/will need hospitalisation presents two problems. 1. The tiny percentage of any very large volume of infections can still represent a very high number for the hospitals to accomodate and it can all come quickly. 1% of 1,000,000 total infections = 10,000, which would be well within the scope of what can be managed. 1% of 20,000,000 = 200,000, which is well beyond the total capacity of hospitals. 2. If we only concentrated on dealing with covid and filled the hospitals with covid cases, hardly anything else gets dealt with, which means all sorts of stored up harms for everyone. Again. Nobody has changed their minds. Not to continue some sort of agenda. This isn't some kind of ideological struggle between opposing agendas. It is and always has been a matter of the sum total of care that can be provided to ALL people in accordance with volume of demand, duration of care and available resources. Separately there is an additional matter of unsustainable numbers of people being absent from work due to positive tests and isolation periods. This includes frontline hospital staff, critical care home staff and all of the people necessary for the continuation of supply chains and essential shops and services. All of these things are real and must be planned for. They're so critical to the country and the population that they cannot just be ignored or trivialised. My current thinking is that, if and when the governments get a reasonable idea that hospitals will be able to cope and have some degree of certainty going ahead, that governments will actively seek to make this last as short a time as possible. A managed let it rip. No lockdowns. Minimal measures. But something radical may need to be considered regarding isolation. Lockdowns and hard suppression will not manage this wave to conclusion very quickly. It would go on and the effects will be ongoing for the whole of next year. An awful prospect. Those are the problems to deal with and to try to find a least bad solution for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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