XB52 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 3 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Yes, I agree. But it was never even mentioned last year. It was 3 households at a table then 2 and, in my local, changes were made but there was no mention of 1m distancing at the same table. Obviously the hospitality industry aren't aware of it either That's just lies. In case you missed the post earlier, here are the relevant rules from last year The guidance in August - don't see any change myself? Physical distancing Everyone visiting a hospitality setting must remain at least 1 metre apart from the next person, unless from the same household or a carer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 3 hours ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Not in any pubs or restaurants that I was in. It won't be enforced this time either due to being impractical. There is a huge difference from the rules and the rules being enforced. The point was that the media headlines about hospitality being up in arms due to the rules changing was just bullshit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 13 hours ago, ri Alban said: Good. Hopefully anyone who found dodging gets a bit of quarantine in their local (Riddrie) Hilton. They are nearly as bad as folk who travel to England so they can live it up in caravan. Desperately leave the hoose to live in a caravan. I would rather live in a caravan in Outer Mongolia than a council but n ben in Paisley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 56 minutes ago, XB52 said: That's just lies. In case you missed the post earlier, here are the relevant rules from last year The guidance in August - don't see any change myself? Physical distancing Everyone visiting a hospitality setting must remain at least 1 metre apart from the next person, unless from the same household or a carer. Lies?? Wtf you talking about? I'm telling you about my experience in numerous restaurants and pubs last year. The 1m distancing at the same table was never mentioned by anyone, bar owners, punters etc. How could you possibly manage it or arrange it? It was between tables. The fact that restaurant owners are unaware of it proves the point. It's ludicrous and needs ditched. That would be the easiest solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 59 minutes ago, XB52 said: There is a huge difference from the rules and the rules being enforced. The point was that the media headlines about hospitality being up in arms due to the rules changing was just bullshit Knowing the SG, they've probably entered the requirement into last years guidelines retrospectively. Not that I'd expect you to ever criticise anything the wee megalomaniac does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Knowing the SG, they've probably entered the requirement into last years guidelines retrospectively. Not that I'd expect you to ever criticise anything the wee megalomaniac does. The same rule existed, and was similarly ignored, in England. It is also still the case there. Stay at least 1 metre from other households. Edited April 20, 2021 by Ray Gin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 46 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Lies?? Wtf you talking about? I'm telling you about my experience in numerous restaurants and pubs last year. The 1m distancing at the same table was never mentioned by anyone, bar owners, punters etc. How could you possibly manage it or arrange it? It was between tables. The fact that restaurant owners are unaware of it proves the point. It's ludicrous and needs ditched. That would be the easiest solution. It wont get ditched....she is too pigheaded and stubborn and will drag the restrictions as long as she can. Mark my words/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 47 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: It wont get ditched....she is too pigheaded and stubborn and will drag the restrictions as long as she can. Mark my words/ Yes, I fear that you're right James. Power certainly corrupts. There's an arrogance about her, a believe that she shouldn't even be questioned. Her sole focus is on herself, the public inquiry and how it will affect Indy Vote 2,3 or 4. She doesn't care about - and certainly doesn't understand- business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Yes, I fear that you're right James. Power certainly corrupts. There's an arrogance about her, a believe that she shouldn't even be questioned. Her sole focus is on herself, the public inquiry and how it will affect Indy Vote 2,3 or 4. She doesn't care about - and certainly doesn't understand- business. Yep we are not out of any woods re restrictions until furlough is kicked out the park 📦 obviously she will see any election victory as s mandate to continue her “ cautious “ approach to covid . Not looking good I fear . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Knowing the SG, they've probably entered the requirement into last years guidelines retrospectively. Not that I'd expect you to ever criticise anything the wee megalomaniac does. You are getting weirder by the day. You actually want me to criticise NS because you say they doctored last years guidelines, a claim I have to hope was not entirely serious. And it was lies that the rules were different last time. Nobody is saying that rules were not ignored but that's a different issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, XB52 said: You are getting weirder by the day. You actually want me to criticise NS because you say they doctored last years guidelines, a claim I have to hope was not entirely serious. And it was lies that the rules were different last time. Nobody is saying that rules were not ignored but that's a different issue. Are you for real? I'm saying that the rules were not in the public domain and were certainly not communicated. It's all very well digging out licencee guidance from back then but it was never acted upon. Do you remember the 1m rule AT tables being stressed?? It was a rule that didn't affect the public in any way. You can plonk tables down 1m apart but how can humans,not statues, enjoying a meal, possibly remain 1m apart throughout the evening?? Producing guidance like that betrays a lack of comnon sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gards Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Pretty embarassing for all these hospitality bodies and all the hanger ons who have spouted nonsense last few days that the rules have been changed/tightened when that has been shown not to be the case. They going to come out and apologise for their scaremongering and increasing public panic.....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted April 20, 2021 Author Share Posted April 20, 2021 Level 2 for all from 17 May and Level 1 if we are lucky from 7 June then later in June all of us under level 0 Little point on region comparison it seems if we are all on the same path Shock Horror Glasgow will match Edinburgh in coming out of lockdown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 25 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Are you for real? I'm saying that the rules were not in the public domain and were certainly not communicated Yes they were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Just now, Ray Gin said: Yes they were. Not in any of the bars or restaurants I was in, not in any briefings that I heard nor among any of the friends or family I was in licensed premises with. Masks whilst on the floor, track & trace, card payments, sanitiser...yes. 1m apart? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Just now, Enzo Chiefo said: Not in any of the bars or restaurants I was in, not in any briefings that I heard nor among any of the friends or family I was in licensed premises with. Masks whilst on the floor, track & trace, card payments, sanitiser...yes. 1m apart? No. It was clearly communicated by the UK and Scottish Governments. Pretending that nobody knew they were meant to stay 1 metre away from other households is laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Just now, Ray Gin said: It was clearly communicated by the UK and Scottish Governments. Pretending that nobody knew they were meant to stay 1 metre away from other households is laughable. 1m apart, at the same table? No. How would they? Why would they?Did 2 couples out for a meal have to sit in specific seats at a table? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: 1m apart, at the same table? No. How would they? Why would they?Did 2 couples out for a meal have to sit in specific seats at a table? I'm sure my local had a "You are entering a 1m area" sign". I'll check when I return on Monday. 🍺 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: 1m apart, at the same table? No. How would they? Why would they?Did 2 couples out for a meal have to sit in specific seats at a table? That's what was supposed to happen, yes. Different households, 1 metre apart. (There were posters on here who argued that this had been happening when they were bleeting about pubs being closed again.) Why would it suddenly be ok to huddle together indoors in groups in pubs but not anywhere else? Edited April 20, 2021 by Ray Gin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gards Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Embarassing episode from the hospitality industry....should have some resignations from those involved in these false stories being pushed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: That's what was supposed to happen, yes. Different households, 1 metre apart. (There were posters on here who argued that this had been happening when they were bleeting about pubs being closed again.) Why would it suddenly be ok to huddle together indoors in groups in pubs but not anywhere else? It was never practical so why would it have been included? You sit at the table with the assumption no-one at that table has Covid. The 2 household rule is the safety valve. That's all you can do. The risk of someone having Covid is negligible. People in supermarkets, buses etc, dozens of people, come in to closer contact every day of the week. The hospitality industry are criticising the confusion caused by Sturgeon's draft proposals and her claim about "myths and scaremongering ". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 22 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: I'm sure my local had a "You are entering a 1m area" sign". I'll check when I return on Monday. 🍺 Yes, I'm sure they did. That was between tables and on the floor iirc. At your table, you were treated as a "pub bubble" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: It was never practical so why would it have been included? You sit at the table with the assumption no-one at that table has Covid. The 2 household rule is the safety valve. That's all you can do. The risk of someone having Covid is negligible. People in supermarkets, buses etc, dozens of people, come in to closer contact every day of the week. The hospitality industry are criticising the confusion caused by Sturgeon's draft proposals and her claim about "myths and scaremongering ". There is no confusion. It's the same rules as it was across the UK last time regarding meeting other households. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Nowhere was anyone told by any UK government that they could form 'pub bubbles'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Personally I don't pay much attention to or buy into anything that's said by commercially interested parties, such as in the hospitality, tourism and aviation sectors. I don't blame these people for being concerned for their businesses but they are inherently and profoundly incapable of adopting an independent viewpoint. If there's a commercial interest then there's undoubtedly a weighted opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 20 minutes ago, Gards said: Embarassing episode from the hospitality industry....should have some resignations from those involved in these false stories being pushed out. Oh yes let’s pile more shit on to them ! Really ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, Victorian said: Personally I don't pay much attention to or buy into anything that's said by commercially interested parties, such as in the hospitality, tourism and aviation sectors. I don't blame these people for being concerned for their businesses but they are inherently and profoundly incapable of adopting an independent viewpoint. If there's a commercial interest then there's undoubtedly a weighted opinion. Governments are capable of independent viewpoints? Every decision has an agenda behind it. Just witness the scapegoating of hospitality and the wanton destruction of our roads with cycle lanes. Covid is being used as a "trojan horse" for ideological agendas by govts and councils alike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 13 minutes ago, Ray Gin said: Nowhere was anyone told by any UK government that they could form 'pub bubbles'. In effect, that's what the tables were. If everyone was to be 1m apart, as claimed, why would you need a household limit at a table? Just allow people to sit anywhere, as long as they are a 1m apart from any other household. Workies, dustbin men etc cram into vans, 4 or 5 at a time ,day and daily. Why would you not be able to sit at a pub table with another household as we did last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Just now, Enzo Chiefo said: Governments are capable of independent viewpoints? Every decision has an agenda behind it. Just witness the scapegoating of hospitality and the wanton destruction of our roads with cycle lanes. Covid is being used as a "trojan horse" for ideological agendas by govts and councils alike. It's a different type of 'agenda'. I don't agree with the Trojan Horse type of opinion. I think it's wildly off the mark. Commercial interest is a more overt, naked, basic bias. I don't blame these people for agitating for their interests but they have nothing relevant to say imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Enzo Chiefo said: In effect, that's what the tables were. If everyone was to be 1m apart, as claimed, why would you need a household limit at a table? Just allow people to sit anywhere, as long as they are a 1m apart from any other household. Workies, dustbin men etc cram into vans, 4 or 5 at a time ,day and daily. Why would you not be able to sit at a pub table with another household as we did last year? You weren't meant to sit at a table with another household last year unless you were sat 1 metre apart. Workies shouldn't be packed together either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Ray Gin said: You weren't meant to sit at a table with another household last year unless you were sat 1 metre apart. Workies shouldn't be packed together either. Hospitality obviously wasn't aware of that then. It wasn't possible at the tables I was sitting at. After the worries they had yesterday about the 1m rule, the hospitality industry are "relieved" that they can trade "in the same way" as last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 25 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: Hospitality obviously wasn't aware of that then. It wasn't possible at the tables I was sitting at. After the worries they had yesterday about the 1m rule, the hospitality industry are "relieved" that they can trade "in the same way" as last year. The Govt should employ even more Marshall’s with measuring tapes to go around pubs and restaurants. Sounds like there won’t be a shortage of applicants ! Mother of god as Hastings would say 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Tory Donor Sir James Dyson and Boris texting each other over tax before he'd build ventilators. Hancock gives his pal a big contract over WhatsApp. David Cameron texting The Chancellor so he can cash in £60 through Greensill and taxpayers money. Jenrick over rules the planning department so his pal can cash in a £40m contract. Oh and 128000 dead. But hey, the vaccine brushes this away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 hour ago, ri Alban said: Tory Donor Sir James Dyson and Boris texting each other over tax before he'd build ventilators. Oliver Dowden on the TV just now trying to justify this. They're shameless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, Ray Gin said: There is no confusion. It's the same rules as it was across the UK last time regarding meeting other households. It's rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat. Folk read (hear) what they want, read it, don't like it, ignore it completely or pretend they never read it in the first place. Of course there will be occassions they do miss or forgotten, but a lot of the time it will have been discussed. Edited April 21, 2021 by DETTY29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gards Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 9 hours ago, JamesM48 said: Oh yes let’s pile more shit on to them ! Really ! Two wrongs don't make a right James. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 I notice no one mentioned the superspreader events at Stamford Bridge etc... Lockdown 4 in England on its way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, ri Alban said: I notice no one mentioned the superspreader events at Stamford Bridge etc... Lockdown 4 in England on its way. Awe cheer up ! Thought u were a great champion of the vaccines ? Jezz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: A study has found regular exercise can reduce impact of infectious diseases, including COVID, by about a third. https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/19246151.physical-exercise-cuts-covid-death-illness-risk-third/ And in other news the sky is blue ! 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: They will be fine as outside. The bams celebrating the Huns victory not had that a big an impact here. Yes it’s outside move along nothin to see here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: A study has found regular exercise can reduce impact of infectious diseases, including COVID, by about a third. https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/19246151.physical-exercise-cuts-covid-death-illness-risk-third/ 'Just 150 minutes of exercise... ' A week? A day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 10 hours ago, Victorian said: Personally I don't pay much attention to or buy into anything that's said by commercially interested parties, such as in the hospitality, tourism and aviation sectors. I don't blame these people for being concerned for their businesses but they are inherently and profoundly incapable of adopting an independent viewpoint. If there's a commercial interest then there's undoubtedly a weighted opinion. Unless they can provide evidence that in terms of social distancing the guidelines were materially different from last time or that over the course of Monday, early Tuesday the SG has seriously back tracked and changed back, it does seem little more than one or two throwing shite hoping some of it sticks. Seems to have worked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshed Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Sorry to be a pain as can’t be bothered looking it up but as from Monday I’m I right in saying restaurants are all open again so I can go for a meal? Plus when do pubs open inside? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, theshed said: Sorry to be a pain as can’t be bothered looking it up but as from Monday I’m I right in saying restaurants are all open again so I can go for a meal? Plus when do pubs open inside? Thanks In Scotland yes to go inside (not England) for a meal. Can go inside in Scotland for a drink from 17 May if figures are (considered) OK. Sure date for England inside is around 17th May. Will check. Yep is 17th. Scotland hospitality tiering attached. 3. 26 April 2. 17 May 1. 07 June 0. End June Edited April 21, 2021 by DETTY29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 9 hours ago, JamesM48 said: The Govt should employ even more Marshall’s with measuring tapes to go around pubs and restaurants. Sounds like there won’t be a shortage of applicants ! Mother of god as Hastings would say 👍 I could dae that, gies a job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: The governments should create much more of emphasis around this sort of stuff, instead of saying nothing people can do. A healthy immune system goes along way to offering improved protection, thats never been the messaging though. Though my view the policy around health is all based on reactive actions as opposed to pro-active and thats one of the reasons its so shit. We’ve had how many title wins celebrating, BLM lives protests, fights down the beach/meadows and many other large gathers outside, thing we will be alright after about a hundred fans turns up to protest. Sorry I was trying to be wide , flippant . However exercise is good for any condition really . In particular for covid since obesity has been a feature or underlying health conditions for around 40% of those who died . Lost count of the times I have seen or read about an apparently “ healthy “ 40 yo who died of covid then saw a pic of them and they were obese . Yes I can’t think of any outdoor events where there has been a significant rise in infections after it . Remember the outcry after rangers Won the league and the celebrations outside ? Doom mongers were predicting a 4th wave . It never happened . Outside perfectly fine. In fact great to see when Wd do out usual walks everyday in town etc there are hardly and people wearing masks outside ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, Harry Potter said: I could dae that, gies a job. Minimal wage ! Long hours, temp contact , must have ability to appear smug and feign knowledge about covid and the scientific data behind it to use in any arguments with those who don’t abide by the 1 metre rule . Sense of humour may also help as you will be laughed out of the premises probably Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Just now, JamesM48 said: Minimal wage ! Long hours, temp contact , must have ability to appear smug and feign knowledge about covid and the scientific data behind it to use in any arguments with those who don’t abide by the 1 metre rule . Sense of humour may also help as you will be laughed out of the premises probably Min wage, is their any other kind o wage😧, be lucky to get a job these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Harry Potter said: Min wage, is their any other kind o wage😧, be lucky to get a job these days. Sadly very true 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshed Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 27 minutes ago, DETTY29 said: In Scotland yes to go inside (not England) for a meal. Can go inside in Scotland for a drink from 17 May if figures are (considered) OK. Sure date for England inside is around 17th May. Will check. Yep is 17th. Scotland hospitality tiering attached. 3. 26 April 2. 17 May 1. 07 June 0. End June Thanks.... will get myself out for a meal next week but stupid I can’t have a glass of wine with it Not that I’m interested in nightclubs anymore but hopefully for these guys jobs they can open up later in the summer and get back to earning some money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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