Riddley Walker Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 minute ago, heartstastic said: You seem to know how many millions ( your claim)..please enlighten us? 18 million. Refute my claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, samgolden said: Well can you do what he asks Refute it Speeding false information is deeply irresponsible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartstastic Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Riddley Walker said: Show us the evidence that refutes it then...you seem 100% certain that you can. A smillie is not evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samgolden Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Riddley Walker said: 18 million. Refute my claim. 18 million what Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riddley Walker Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Just now, heartstastic said: Show us the evidence that refutes it then...you seem 100% certain that you can. A smillie is not evidence. The smilie is my evidence. Refute my claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartstastic Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Riddley Walker said: 18 million. Refute my claim. Nah there's no point you clearly do lots of research into things and in no way try to ignore things which contradict your world view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jambo 4 Ever said: Please remove this You're beginning to sound desperate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jambo 4 Ever said: Speeding false information is deeply irresponsible I agree that speeding is deeply irresponsible but it's difficult to stick to 70mph on an empty road. A motorway I mean, not Oxgangs Road North. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coconut doug Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said: He was quoted as using those exact words several weeks ago He was indeed but i doubt you are going to tell us the context of the comment so i had better do it. He made this comment in response to a question about why more old people were not tested for Covid before being discharged from hospital and into the community. Many people still don't seem to grasp that the test does not work properly if you are infected but pre-symptomatic. That's why he called it a bit rubbish. The test is only finds about 30% of those infected in the first week and so it is likely this figure will be much lower in the first few days. The link below shows the research findings. https://www.cochrane.org/CD013652/INFECTN_what-diagnostic-accuracy-antibody-tests-detection-infection-covid-19-virus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riddley Walker Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Just now, heartstastic said: Nah there's no point you clearly do lots of research into things and in no way try to ignore things which contradict your world view. You're arguing coronavirus is fake when there are literally millions of cases around the world, shit loads of peer-reviewed literature and **** knows how many people working on it that know way more than you or me. You're the one spouting the unsubstantiated bullshit someone's posted on your echo chamber FB forum, and putting your trust in some loser's blog, so you prove it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-cracks-down-on-spread-of-false-coronavirus-information-online Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 33 minutes ago, fancy a brew said: Could you give a quick summary of what's stated in the article? A one word summary ***** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Chiefo Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, coconut doug said: He was indeed but i doubt you are going to tell us the context of the comment so i had better do it. He made this comment in response to a question about why more old people were not tested for Covid before being discharged from hospital and into the community. Many people still don't seem to grasp that the test does not work properly if you are infected but pre-symptomatic. That's why he called it a bit rubbish. The test is only finds about 30% of those infected in the first week and so it is likely this figure will be much lower in the first few days. The link below shows the research findings. https://www.cochrane.org/CD013652/INFECTN_what-diagnostic-accuracy-antibody-tests-detection-infection-covid-19-virus He also claimed it can pick up old virus and show a positive result for a non infectious person. A false positive. Just for context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartstastic Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Riddley Walker said: You're arguing coronavirus is fake when there are literally millions of cases around the world, shit loads of peer-reviewed literature and **** knows how many people working on it that know way more than you or me. You're the one spouting the unsubstantiated bullshit someone's posted on your echo chamber FB forum, and putting your trust in some loser's blog, so you prove it. Listen fella if you don't like what i post simply put me on ignore job done. I don't appriciate the slander and attacks and i bet your bottom dollar if we were to have a discussion face to face you would not be so dismissive and disrespectful so reign it in. An bit of info on the 'loser' blogger Jon was a candidate for a US Congressional seat in the 29th District of California. He maintains a consulting practice for private clients, the purpose of which is the expansion of personal creative power. Nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, he has worked as an investigative reporter for 30 years, writing articles on politics, medicine, and health for CBS Healthwatch, LA Weekly, Spin Magazine, Stern, and other newspapers and magazines in the US and Europe. Jon has delivered lectures and seminars on global politics, health, logic, and creative power to audiences around the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartstastic Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, Barack said: Not trying to get in the middle here. But given the highlighted parts I've done above, and the date that was published, is there a 'real time update article available now? Playing Devil's Advocate. Back in July this was all "new" to us & the scientific communities. Given new information & treatments are currently in the pipeline around the world, has there been an updated stance on the findings at the time? I'm naturally cynical, but I'd like to at least get both sides of it. Nothing on the cdc website regarding an update. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riddley Walker Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 minute ago, heartstastic said: Listen fella if you don't like what i post simply put me on ignore job done. I don't appriciate the slander and attacks and i bet your bottom dollar if we were to have a discussion face to face you would not be so dismissive and disrespectful so reign it in. An bit of info on the 'loser' blogger Jon was a candidate for a US Congressional seat in the 29th District of California. He maintains a consulting practice for private clients, the purpose of which is the expansion of personal creative power. Nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, he has worked as an investigative reporter for 30 years, writing articles on politics, medicine, and health for CBS Healthwatch, LA Weekly, Spin Magazine, Stern, and other newspapers and magazines in the US and Europe. Jon has delivered lectures and seminars on global politics, health, logic, and creative power to audiences around the world Nah, I'd say the same stuff to your face. Maybe you could give my sister a buzz and tell her coronavirus is fake, given she's currently very ill and unable to move after a positive test the other day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 24 minutes ago, heartstastic said: So still no evidence to refute what's stated in the article. Where is the isolation of the 'virus' known as COVID 19. According to the CDC it's 'unavailable' The CDC document is titled, “CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel.” It is dated July 13, 2020. Buried deep in the document, on page 39, in a section titled, “Performance Characteristics,” we have this: “Since no quantified virus isolates of the 2019-nCoV are currently available, assays [diagnostic tests] designed for detection of the 2019-nCoV RNA were tested with characterized stocks of in vitro transcribed full length RNA…” The key phrase there is: “Since no quantified virus isolates of the 2019-nCoV are currently available…” Every object that exists can be quantified, which is to say, measured. The use of the term “quantified” in that phrase means: the CDC has no measurable amount of the virus, because it is unavailable. THE CDC HAS NO VIRUS. A further tip-off is the use of the word ‘isolates.” This means NO ISOLATED VIRUS IS AVAILABLE. Another way to put it: NO ONE HAS AN ISOLATED SPECIMEN OF THE COVID-19 VIRUS. NO ONE HAS ISOLATED THE COVID-19 VIRUS. THEREFORE, NO ONE HAS PROVED THAT IT EXISTS. That's good news. Nothing to worry about then. When's the football grounds opening up then ? 😏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartstastic Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Just now, Riddley Walker said: Nah, I'd say the same stuff to your face. Maybe you could give my sister a buzz and tell her coronavirus is fake, given she's currently very ill and unable to move after a positive test the other day. Not saying she's not feeling unwell and hope she gets better soon. As for COVID 19 though i remain very sceptical as it's not yet been isolated and proven to exist in humans. As for your claim about saying stuff to my face...prove it. I'm up for meeting to see if you back up your claims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 24 minutes ago, Jambo 4 Ever said: Speeding false information is deeply irresponsible true, but it is slightly amusing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riddley Walker Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 minute ago, heartstastic said: Not saying she's not feeling unwell and hope she gets better soon. As for COVID 19 though i remain very sceptical as it's not yet been isolated and proven to exist in humans. As for your claim about saying stuff to my face...prove it. I'm up for meeting to see if you back up your claims. As to your first paragraph, **** off. As to your second paragraph, eh nah you're alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riddley Walker Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Barack said: Hope your sister gets better soon. Cheers 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, heartstastic said: Not saying she's not feeling unwell and hope she gets better soon. As for COVID 19 though i remain very sceptical as it's not yet been isolated and proven to exist in humans. As for your claim about saying stuff to my face...prove it. I'm up for meeting to see if you back up your claims. You need to stop spreading mis information immediately and should refrain from posting on this thread going forward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Jambo 4 Ever said: You need to stop spreading mis information immediately and should refrain from posting on this thread going forward If that's how he feels then he is entitled to his opinion. I tell everyone, especially kids that it's just like the cold and it's best to catch it to build up their immune system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartstastic Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Riddley Walker said: As to your first paragraph, **** off. As to your second paragraph, eh nah you're alright. Wishing your sister better health warrants abuse...strange behavour. Not sure if questioning the underlying conditon behind it giving the sketchy evidence behind it triggers you so much but you do you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Jambo 4 Ever said: Does anyone travel without needing to? If you didn't need to why would you travel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Just now, Taffin said: Does anyone travel without needing to? If you didn't need to why would you travel? Sightseeing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartstastic Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jambo 4 Ever said: You need to stop spreading mis information immediately and should refrain from posting on this thread going forward Put me on ignore then...your the only poster i've got on mine. As for making me stop posting...you need to apply for a mod postion otherwise therse not a single thing you can do about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, heartstastic said: Not saying she's not feeling unwell and hope she gets better soon. As for COVID 19 though i remain very sceptical as it's not yet been isolated and proven to exist in humans. As for your claim about saying stuff to my face...prove it. I'm up for meeting to see if you back up your claims. You do realise every self publicising fruitcake in the world has a blog regarding their particular take on corona virus. Why do you believe this version instead of accepting that there is a dangerous pandemic doing the rounds that has killed over a million people and hospitalised millions more. That's before we even begin to think about the longer term effects on sufferers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, heartstastic said: Wishing your sister better health warrants abuse...strange behavour. Not sure if questioning the underlying conditon behind it giving the sketchy evidence behind it triggers you so much but you do you. Remember the people in the 1980s and 90s saying AIDS was a hoax? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beni Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 20 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said: A one word summary ***** Thanks. A concise yet descriptive synopsis. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Just now, heartstastic said: Put me on ignore then...your the only poster i've got on mine. As for making me stop posting...you need to apply for a mod postion otherwise therse not a single thing you can do about it. I think he has someone's ear in that department. A few folk I know have fell foul of his reporting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, GinRummy said: Sightseeing? You could argue that sightseeing isn't a need but if you decide you are going to do it, then travelling becomes a need to enable you to sightsee. Not many people need to travel in and of itself. They need to do it to get somewhere else to do something...that something may or may not be necessary but that's a different argument. For example I'm travelling to Birmingham tomorrow. I don't need to be in Birmingham but to be in Birmingham, I do need to travel. Edited October 9, 2020 by Taffin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Taffin said: Does anyone travel without needing to? If you didn't need to why would you travel? 15 minutes on the bus to go for messages is enough for me wearing a face mask. Used to enjoy going on long distance bus tours but couldn't handle hours on end with a mask. Can't even read because the Specs are steamed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, Jambo 4 Ever said: You need to stop spreading mis information immediately and should refrain from posting on this thread going forward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Just now, luckydug said: 15 minutes on the bus to go for messages is enough for me wearing a face mask. Used to enjoy going on long distance bus tours but couldn't handle hours on end with a mask. Can't even read because the Specs are steamed up. I don't envy the steamed up specs. My colleague suffers from it and it drives him mad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Taffin said: You could argue that sightseeing isn't a need but if you decide you are going to do it, then travelling becomes a need to enable you to sightsee. Not many people need to travel in and of itself. They need to do it to get somewhere else to do something...that something may or may not be necessary but that's a different argument. For example I'm travelling to Birmingham tomorrow. I don't need to be in Birmingham but to be in Birmingham, I do need to travel. I wasn’t being entirely serious but ‘only travel if you need to’ is a fairly stupid instruction. Not as daft as visiting Birmingham 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartstastic Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Ron Burgundy said: I think he has someone's ear in that department. A few folk I know have fell foul of his reporting. No skin of my nose if i get banned on a forum for putting articles up or expressing my own opinion, i think we still just about have a world in which freedom of expression is allowed...as for curtain twitching insecure grasses though..they have a lot more issues going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 43 minutes ago, Jambo 4 Ever said: Please remove this If you want to report a post, for whatever reason, click on the Report button associated with that post, state your case, and leave it to the mods to decide whether it will be removed or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Just now, Taffin said: I don't envy the steamed up specs. My colleague suffers from it and it drives him mad! I suffer with this, it's a bloody pain in the erse, I understand why some people wear the mask under thier nose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, luckydug said: 15 minutes on the bus to go for messages is enough for me wearing a face mask. Used to enjoy going on long distance bus tours but couldn't handle hours on end with a mask. Can't even read because the Specs are steamed up. Put the mask on first and then specs over the top of some of the mask and it doesn’t steam them up. Edited October 9, 2020 by GinRummy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 17 minutes ago, Jambo 4 Ever said: You need to stop spreading mis information immediately and should refrain from posting on this thread going forward He's entitled to spout rubbish the same as the rest of us. Truth is none of us really know what we're talking about on this thread. It's just baseless opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 hour ago, AlimOzturk said: Text today. Negative for Covid. Just a bad cough probably down to recovering from the cold last week. Take care bud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N Lincs Jambo Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 59 minutes ago, heartstastic said: https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/10/09/covid-the-virus-that-isnt-there-the-root-fraud-exposed/ If anyone can refute what is stated in this article i'd like to see the evidence. Firstly, I'm going to state publicly I'm on the same side of the fence as you re all the bullshit here. However I believe that the CDC is doing a bit of damage-limitation by saying the the virus has not been isolated. It actually has been isolated because it (ie the Sars Cov 2 Virus) has been patented. I saw the patent a few months ago but now it is extemely well hidden. More interestingly the patent holder is the CDC's very own Dr Death, Dr Anthony Fauci. The problem the CDC have here is that if the virus has been patented it means that it, the virus, has been modified by human intervention, most likely in a "Gain of Function" experiment. It is illegal in the USA to attempt to patent anything occuring naturally, eg a natural virus. The previous Obama administration in 2014 placed a moratorium on the particular Gain of Function study that Dr Fauci was working on at North Carolina. However, despite the moratorium being placed, Dr Fauci transferred the research and the remaining $3.7 Million of tax-payer funding to the Wuhan Reseach Lab in China. Therefore despite the blogger being right about what the CDC is currently claiming, I am pretty convinced that Covid 19 does exist and has been isolated - at the Wuhan Research lab in China, but the CDC cannot make the claim for the reasons outlined above. Also of interest is that the Foreign Sec'y and Deputy PM, Dominic Raab, recently broke ranks with the current narrative when he admitted in a radion interview that there were too many false positives and that only 7% of positives were actually accurate, echoing what the respected scientist, Dr Mike Yeadon claims in this article (note within the article is a link to his research paper - also well worth a read): https://lockdownsceptics.org/lies-damned-lies-and-health-statistics-the-deadly-danger-of-false-positives/?s=09&fbclid=IwAR0V44esmfOUWhI_ZKKLCtePiWrZXqA3pOW-H9deh8_ZVUOR0-inqbgcE6g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Just now, Barack said: Or a de-misting spray. Available at all reputable opticians. Thank you. Never realised there was such a thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, GinRummy said: Put the mask on first and then specs over the top of some of the mask and it doesn’t steam them up. Cheers I'll try that 👍 Still couldn't handle a long bus journey with a mask though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 16 minutes ago, Taffin said: Does anyone travel without needing to? If you didn't need to why would you travel? Visiting a friend or family member (who doesn’t live alone) when you can do it on video call instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 16 minutes ago, Taffin said: Does anyone travel without needing to? If you didn't need to why would you travel? It's this sort of mentality that results in this lasting longer than need be imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 16 minutes ago, Taffin said: Does anyone travel without needing to? If you didn't need to why would you travel? It's this sort of mentality that results in this lasting longer than need be imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Just now, hughesie27 said: It's this sort of mentality that results in this lasting longer than need be imo. Does mixed message from governments play a part? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsmad1874 Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Just now, GinRummy said: Does mixed message from governments play a part? Nah its the general public, pubs, students etc etc who are to blame not incompetency of government, surely not 👍🏻👍🏻. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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