Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[redjambo]

Scottish numbers: 19 April 2021

Summary

• 232 new cases of COVID-19 reported [+21; up from 199 a week ago]
• 10,649 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results[-4,448]
  • 2.5% of these were positive [+0.9%]
• 0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends) [=]
• 14 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [down from 18 on Friday]
• 104 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [down from 109 on Friday]
• 2,747,694 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 757,115 have received their second dose [+3,463; +18,695]

[redjambo]

Today's national stats:

 

			Today	Yesterday			17 Apr	16 Apr	15 Apr	14 Apr	13 Apr	...	1 Apr
Scotland (7-day per-100,000 cases)			29	29	0		29	31	32	34	35	...	59
7-day averages
Tests			18133	18011	+122		18128	18536	18906	19335	18949	...	21722
Positivity rate %			1.5	1.4	+0.1		1.5	1.5	1.5	1.6	1.6	...	2.4
Deaths			1.7	1.7	0.0		1.7	2.0	2.4	2.4	2.7	...	5.4
All Vaccinations			35131	36600	-1469		36269	37208	37352	36603	35176	...	49063
1st Dose			11282	12379	-1097		12838	13787	14266	14434	14984	...	29659
2nd Dose			23849	24221	-372		23431	23421	23086	22169	20192	...	19404
Daily data
Hospital (non-ICU)			90	N/A	N/A		N/A	91	99	99	113	...	194
ICU			14	N/A	N/A		N/A	18	16	20	20	...	21

[frankblack]

16 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

I've recently returned to the UK from a red list country and the journey home via France and the Netherlands was a bit of an eye opener.

 

I basically showed my negative covid test certificate to the lassie on the check-in desk in Luanda and waltzed on through. Nobody in Paris wanted to see anything other than our passports and boarding cards, and getting into the Netherlands we only had to show our PCR test cert's once on landing. We had been pre warned that it would be strict passing through these countries, but nobody even asked for any of the multitude of locator forms, declarations, and other bumff that we'd filled in before travelling. All the business class lounges were open too.

 

The only place that was tough to get into was the UK. There is a special 'processing' unit set up before you can even get to the gates for all UK flights in Schiphol, and they went through everything. Arrival in Edinburgh was pretty tight too, and we were promptly carted off to quarantine jail.

 

I know the horse has already bolted, but compared to the other countries we passed through we at least seem to be doing it right now. There was chat with some of the border guys that the SG are in negotiations with airports and authorities down south to scoop up Scottish residents attempting to sneak back in through England to avoid the stricter measures up here. 

 

 

 

Cheers GT.

 

The bit in bold was obvious to anyone that chancers were going to try that.  It should be straight to quarantine jail plus a 10k fine per person.

[Enzo Chiefo]

1 hour ago, XB52 said:

Well if the population wants to show widespread resistance to the SG there is an election coming up. Then we'll see if you are correct

Fair point. Time will tell 

[The Real Maroonblood]

14 minutes ago, redjambo said:

Today's national stats:

 

			Today	Yesterday			17 Apr	16 Apr	15 Apr	14 Apr	13 Apr	...	1 Apr
Scotland (7-day per-100,000 cases)			29	29	0		29	31	32	34	35	...	59
7-day averages
Tests			18133	18011	+122		18128	18536	18906	19335	18949	...	21722
Positivity rate %			1.5	1.4	+0.1		1.5	1.5	1.5	1.6	1.6	...	2.4
Deaths			1.7	1.7	0.0		1.7	2.0	2.4	2.4	2.7	...	5.4
All Vaccinations			35131	36600	-1469		36269	37208	37352	36603	35176	...	49063
1st Dose			11282	12379	-1097		12838	13787	14266	14434	14984	...	29659
2nd Dose			23849	24221	-372		23431	23421	23086	22169	20192	...	19404
Daily data
Hospital (non-ICU)			90	N/A	N/A		N/A	91	99	99	113	...	194
ICU			14	N/A	N/A		N/A	18	16	20	20	...	21

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[Brighton Jambo]

The whole things is becoming ludicrous.  You can attend a wedding with 50 people at which alcohol can be served but I can’t go out with the wife for a dinner and have a glass of wine.  
 

How can anyone defend this level of inconsistency.  

[DB-14]

4 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

The whole things is becoming ludicrous.  You can attend a wedding with 50 people at which alcohol can be served but I can’t go out with the wife for a dinner and have a glass of wine.  
 

How can anyone defend this level of inconsistency.  

 

My old man owns a pub as well and this latest rule about all people having to be 1m apart even if you are with them is an absolute mess. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56799729

[JudyJudyJudy]

Unsure what’s going down on princes street but full of the plod and about 7 fire engines etc . One plod said to me “

allriight bud ?” Is their new 2021 greeting ? I replied “ aye alright “

and walked on ! Maybe some one sneezed or coughed on someone ! Bunch of drama queens 👸 watching too much “

line of duty “ maybe 

Edited April 19, 2021 by JamesM48

[Brighton Jambo]

1 minute ago, SteauaNeedarest said:

 

My old man owns a pub as well and this latest rule about all people having to be 1m apart even if you are with them is an absolute mess. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56799729

It’s sounds like a throw away line but they simply don’t know what they are doing and are making it up as they go along.  In the early days that was acceptable as there was no precedent but they have had literally months to get this guidance right and just over a week before opening they drop a bombshell that will see many venues simply unable to open.

 

It’s almost beyond belief but no doubt the usual suspects are coming to defend this policy.  

[manaliveits105]

52 minutes ago, **** the SPFL said:

Scottish numbers: 19 April 2021

Summary

• 232 new cases of COVID-19 reported
• 10,649 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
  • 2.5% of these were positive
• 0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends)
• 14 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 104 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 2,747,694 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 757,115 have received their second dose

Thought i would sneak in a wee quickie update lol

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[JudyJudyJudy]

39 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Fair point. Time will tell 

Yes 

27 minutes ago, SteauaNeedarest said:

 

My old man owns a pub as well and this latest rule about all people having to be 1m apart even if you are with them is an absolute mess. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56799729

It’s Increduloys really and will only benefit that spoons type of places ! Pubs like “ Dickens “ will really suffer . Surely they will do a flip flop on this ? 

24 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

It’s sounds like a throw away line but they simply don’t know what they are doing and are making it up as they go along.  In the early days that was acceptable as there was no precedent but they have had literally months to get this guidance right and just over a week before opening they drop a bombshell that will see many venues simply unable to open.

 

It’s almost beyond belief but no doubt the usual suspects are coming to defend this policy.  

“ the making it up as they go along “ has been their policy from day one 

[JudyJudyJudy]

39 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Fair point. Time will tell 

Yes 

27 minutes ago, SteauaNeedarest said:

 

My old man owns a pub as well and this latest rule about all people having to be 1m apart even if you are with them is an absolute mess. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56799729

It’s Increduloys really and will only benefit that spoons type of places ! Pubs like “ Dickens “ will really suffer . Surely they will do a flip flop on this ? 

24 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

It’s sounds like a throw away line but they simply don’t know what they are doing and are making it up as they go along.  In the early days that was acceptable as there was no precedent but they have had literally months to get this guidance right and just over a week before opening they drop a bombshell that will see many venues simply unable to open.

 

It’s almost beyond belief but no doubt the usual suspects are coming to defend this policy.  

“ the making it up as they go along “ has been their policy from day one 

[JWL]

12 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Yes 

It’s Increduloys really and will only benefit that spoons type of places ! Pubs like “ Dickens “ will really suffer . Surely they will do a flip flop on this ? 

“ the making it up as they go along “ has been their policy from day one 

 

They'll see it in their own eyes as doing hospitality a favour when in reality for a lot of bars/restaurants, it simply won't be worthwhile opening back up. Dickens, as you say is simply not compatible with the level of restrictions they want us to adhere to.

[CJGJ]

Our esteemed FM cannot help herself can she and yes we'll hear shortly from her fans but enough is enough if it goes ahead

 

The nonsense about 1m distance between members of a different household is just that nonsense...lets hope it remains as a 'draft' proposal

How are those running the business meant to find out who is and who is not part of a 'household' ?

 

"If I was catering for six people at a table, I would have to have a table that is 3.5m (11ft) long," she said.

"There is not a restaurant supplier in the country that makes tables that are 3.5m long.

"Elderly couples who may be hard of hearing are going to have to FaceTime themselves over lunch because the distance is so far away."

Ms Contini also criticised the short notice, ahead of the sector's planned reopening next Monday, and urged the Scottish government to reconsider.

She added: "These regulations are now more harmful, more dangerous to our business than Covid itself."

[DETTY29]

Weren't different households maybe even same households not meant to observe 1m social distancing last time they (hospitality businesses) were open?

Edited April 19, 2021 by DETTY29

[JudyJudyJudy]

14 minutes ago, JWL said:

 

They'll see it in their own eyes as doing hospitality a favour when in reality for a lot of bars/restaurants, it simply won't be worthwhile opening back up. Dickens, as you say is simply not compatible with the level of restrictions they want us to adhere to.

Very true the owner of Dickens has invested so much in keeping the place safe with track and trace , hand sanitizer etc . Poor show from the SG 

5 minutes ago, CJGJ said:

Our esteemed FM cannot help herself can she and yes we'll hear shortly from her fans but enough is enough if it goes ahead

 

The nonsense about 1m distance between members of a different household is just that nonsense...lets hope it remains as a 'draft' proposal

How are those running the business meant to find out who is and who is not part of a 'household' ?

 

"If I was catering for six people at a table, I would have to have a table that is 3.5m (11ft) long," she said.

"There is not a restaurant supplier in the country that makes tables that are 3.5m long.

"Elderly couples who may be hard of hearing are going to have to FaceTime themselves over lunch because the distance is so far away."

Ms Contini also criticised the short notice, ahead of the sector's planned reopening next Monday, and urged the Scottish government to reconsider.

She added: "These regulations are now more harmful, more dangerous to our business than Covid itself."

Really it’s like it’s deliberately abusive and harmful now to these industries . Surely common sense will prevail but doubt it . She won’t let go of her grip of the populous . God knows what she will be like once the election is over . 

[Gards]

1 hour ago, JamesM48 said:

Unsure what’s going down on princes street but full of the plod and about 7 fire engines etc . One plod said to me “

allriight bud ?” Is their new 2021 greeting ? I replied “ aye alright “

and walked on ! Maybe some one sneezed or coughed on someone ! Bunch of drama queens 👸 watching too much “

line of duty “ maybe 

Nothing so trivial as a sneeze James.  Looks like a large blaze at the Debenhams building...

 

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-princes-street-fire-live-20419131

 

 

[Don Dan]

4 hours ago, redjambo said:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/simon-harris-sorry-for-awful-boo-boo-about-18-viruses-before-covid-19-1.4235478

 

Minister for Health Simon Harris has apologised for making what he called an “awful boo-boo” by incorrectly saying during a radio interview that there were 18 other coronaviruses before Covid-19.

 

Mr Harris made the error when explaining during an interview on RTÉ 2FM’s breakfast show on Wednesday why a vaccine may not be found for the current coronavirus for some time.

 

“Remember this is coronavirus Covid-19 - that means there have been 18 other coronaviruses and I don’t think they have actually successfully found a vaccine for any,” he said in the interview.

 

Doesn’t 19 represent 2019 when it was first spotted? 

[SectionDJambo]

3 minutes ago, Boy Daniel said:

Doesn’t 19 represent 2019 when it was first spotted? 

Yes

Unbelievable that a government minister wouldn’t know that. It kind of explains why they’ve got more wrong than right for the last 15 months.

[Dazo]

17 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

Weren't different households maybe even same households not meant to observe 1m social distancing last time they (hospitality businesses) were open?

Same households ? Why on earth would same households need to social distance ? That’s the stupidest thing I’ve read yet. 😂

Edited April 19, 2021 by Dazo

[milky_26]

7 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Was in seeing my daughters specialist today. They believe my daughter contracted COVID early Jan this year. 
 

The daughter has some underlying medical conditions, but they believe the symptom has been made worse due to contradicting it. Anyway they have changed a few things about with her meds so hopefully helps. 
 

I can’t lie, not convinced she did and this more an excuse for something they can’t figure out. No one in house had any symptoms and after Chrimbo day can’t even think who she could have mixed with to pick it up. 
 

I guess I’ll never know for sure. 

dont they believe that 1/3 of the people who have had covid had no symptoms/didn't know/realise they had it. could it just be that your daughter was asymptomatic but by having it has affected her underlying medical conditions?

[JudyJudyJudy]

10 minutes ago, Gards said:

Nothing so trivial as a sneeze James.  Looks like a large blaze at the Debenhams building...

 

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-princes-street-fire-live-20419131

 

 

Yes I found out it was. A fire 

9 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Was in seeing my daughters specialist today. They believe my daughter contracted COVID early Jan this year. 
 

The daughter has some underlying medical conditions, but they believe the symptom has been made worse due to contradicting it. Anyway they have changed a few things about with her meds so hopefully helps. 
 

I can’t lie, not convinced she did and this more an excuse for something they can’t figure out. No one in house had any symptoms and after Chrimbo day can’t even think who she could have mixed with to pick it up. 
 

I guess I’ll never know for sure. 

Demand a second opinion.

[Don Dan]

3 minutes ago, SectionDJambo said:

Yes

Unbelievable that a government minister wouldn’t know that. It kind of explains why they’ve got more wrong than right for the last 15 months.

If it’s the Tories they only know when their next meeting with a lobbyist is and what percentage the backhander will be. They soon forget about afterwards though!

[Dagger Is Back]

It’s like a fruit loops convention on here.

[Dagger Is Back]

India added to red list. Sensible decision 

[The Mighty Thor]

2 minutes ago, Dagger Is Back said:

India added to red list. Sensible decision 

The variant is here and thriving. Time to bolt the stable door. 👍

[Sidelight]

3 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

YEP 

I am sure that you are familiar with the stat. The average age of death across the UK is 81 Years. Covid related death, average, increases to just over 82 years. What does this mean?

[Nucky Thompson]

7 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

The variant is here and thriving. Time to bolt the stable door. 👍

Hancock just said in the commons that they aren't too concerned about the Indian variant 

[Dagger Is Back]

8 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

The variant is here and thriving. Time to bolt the stable door. 👍

One of these days we’ll actually take early action instead of pontificating.

 

 

[Enzo Chiefo]

13 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

The variant is here and thriving. Time to bolt the stable door. 👍

You can't stop variants arriving. Life goes on. We've had endless talk about Kent, SA, Brazilian and now Indian variants. They're all here and some for months. Hospitalisations,  deaths and cases continue to fall. We really do need to start moving away from this fear based agenda

[Enzo Chiefo]

7 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Hancock just said in the commons that they aren't too concerned about the Indian variant 

Oh no, Sturgeon will need to look for another reason to ban alcohol and imprison Scottish citizens on arrival. Just checked the calendar and we are, indeed , in 2021. How have we got to this stage??

[DETTY29]

18 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Hancock just said in the commons that they aren't too concerned about the Indian variant 

There's a lot in the past 14 months haven't worried them.

 

[sadj]

42 minutes ago, Dagger Is Back said:

India added to red list. Sensible decision 

India added for most travel between the countries not all travel. 
 

watching the Sox game and pop on here to see if the Peggy Mitchell things being discussed and theres sensible convo and discussions of fires at Debenhams... whats going on jkb

[sadj]

45 minutes ago, Dagger Is Back said:

It’s like a fruit loops convention on here.

🤣

[The Real Maroonblood]

27 minutes ago, Dagger Is Back said:

One of these days we’ll actually take early action instead of pontificating.

 

 

Hell will freeze over first.

[Dagger Is Back]

8 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Hell will freeze over first.

Ain't that the truth

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 hour ago, Dagger Is Back said:

One of these days we’ll actually take early action instead of pontificating.

 

 

 

To be fair, we did with Brazil, as the UK banned all flights to and from Brazil back in January, the French on the other hand just got around to doing the very same thing last week, a full 3 months after the UK had.

 

However reading GT's post about coming back via France and their lackadaisical attitude, I can understand why it took them so long to ban flights to and from Brazil.

[CJGJ]

India may have been added to the list but not for 4 days will the ban kick in

 

Why is it never done within 24/48 hrs maximum ?

 

Now we'll see a rush to get back or to 'visit' the UK

[gjcc]

2 hours ago, Dazo said:

Same households ? Why on earth would same households need to social distance ? That’s the stupidest thing I’ve read yet. 😂

Shhhhh I’ve been telling the missus you have to. Live in a new build so there’s only room for one in each room. Great getting the TV to myself every night. 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

12 minutes ago, CJGJ said:

India may have been added to the list but not for 4 days will the ban kick in

 

Why is it never done within 24/48 hrs maximum ?

 

Now we'll see a rush to get back or to 'visit' the UK

 

It was, several times last summer and people moaned like feck that they hadn't been given enough time to arrange flights back home etc etc.

 

Classic you can't please everybody situation, criticized if you act swiftly and criticized if you delay allowing people to have the chance to return home.

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, The Mighty Thor said:

The variant is here and thriving. Time to bolt the stable door. 👍

4 cases in Scotland ?  Yeah thats "thriving"  .  Lockodown 4 on its way before we are even out of number 3. 

1 hour ago, Sidelight said:

I am sure that you are familiar with the stat. The average age of death across the UK is 81 Years. Covid related death, average, increases to just over 82 years. What does this mean?

It means that  most people are unlikely to die from covid. 

57 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

You can't stop variants arriving. Life goes on. We've had endless talk about Kent, SA, Brazilian and now Indian variants. They're all here and some for months. Hospitalisations,  deaths and cases continue to fall. We really do need to start moving away from this fear based agenda

Exactly . 

16 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Could be, I genuinely don’t know. 
 

You and my wife would get on very well. 

 

No need, they are taking it very serious. 
 

Anyway, she’s segueing with her brother right now so she’s perfectly fine apart from the boy destroying her in this argument 😃
 

 

👍

[manaliveits105]

Get out my pub 

Kier Starmer thrown out pub by landlord in Bath furious at labours lockdown stance

Jimmy Krankie better steer well clear of hospitality 

[Brighton Jambo]

3 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

Get out my pub 

Kier Starmer thrown out pub by landlord in Bath furious at labours lockdown stance

Jimmy Krankie better steer well clear of hospitality 

I wish more landlords and hospitality workers took that approach with politicians from all parties.  Hospitality has been absolutely hung out to dry and continues to be so.

 

Come end of July when everyone offered the vaccine I want to see no rules at all in pubs other than ventilation.  No masks, no distancing etc.  If it can’t be offered then when everyone vaccinated and at the height of summer then we will be living with those restrictions indefinitely and that would be ridiculous even given the current hospitalisations and deaths never mind in three months.  

[Enzo Chiefo]

2 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said:

I wish more landlords and hospitality workers took that approach with politicians from all parties.  Hospitality has been absolutely hung out to dry and continues to be so.

 

Come end of July when everyone offered the vaccine I want to see no rules at all in pubs other than ventilation.  No masks, no distancing etc.  If it can’t be offered then when everyone vaccinated and at the height of summer then we will be living with those restrictions indefinitely and that would be ridiculous even given the current hospitalisations and deaths never mind in three months.  

Exactly.  Boris's roadmap proposes exactly that; an end to all restrictions from June 21. Then we can look to restoring all international travel in late summer, preventing airlines and the tourism sector from decimation and restoring the rights of the population to not be imprisoned in their own country. 

[XB52]

39 minutes ago, CJGJ said:

India may have been added to the list but not for 4 days will the ban kick in

 

Why is it never done within 24/48 hrs maximum ?

 

Now we'll see a rush to get back or to 'visit' the UK

Luckily they were already on the red list in Scotland 

[JudyJudyJudy]

12 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

Get out my pub 

Kier Starmer thrown out pub by landlord in Bath furious at labours lockdown stance

Jimmy Krankie better steer well clear of hospitality 

Yes i saw that.  Good on him. What a weakling he has been in the last year with his " opposition " to covid lockdowns.. A complete failure 

[frankblack]

6 minutes ago, XB52 said:

Luckily they were already on the red list in Scotland 

 

Does that cover the Kings Cross to Waverley connection?

[Fxxx the SPFL]

4 hours ago, redjambo said:

Scottish numbers: 19 April 2021

Summary

• 232 new cases of COVID-19 reported [+21; up from 199 a week ago]
• 10,649 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results[-4,448]
  • 2.5% of these were positive [+0.9%]
• 0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends) [=]
• 14 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [down from 18 on Friday]
• 104 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 [down from 109 on Friday]
• 2,747,694 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 757,115 have received their second dose [+3,463; +18,695]

cheers red wasn't trying to steal your thunder by the way by posting from SG website my one and only shot lol.

[XB52]

2 minutes ago, frankblack said:

 

Does that cover the Kings Cross to Waverley connection?

Of course that's a huge problem where the English government have refused to enforce a ban on onward travel to Scotland. To be fair to them not sure how they could

[frankblack]

Just now, XB52 said:

Of course that's a huge problem where the English government have refused to enforce a ban on onward travel to Scotland. To be fair to them not sure how they could

 

Its not just that - the travellers are deliberately going to take routes from countries that are on the red list to maybe stay a night somewhere that isn't before flying on to the UK.