Coronavirus Super Thread ( merged )

[Back to 2005]

11 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

I think he's too scared or lazy to think. 

But rich coming from someone that let's Sturgeon do his thinking for him.😀

[Taffin]

35 minutes ago, Dagger Is Back said:

I’ll check out that video thank you but not one person yet has explained why? 
 

It’s a NS power trip? Really some of you guys believe that? To what end/purpose?

 

I’m genuinely interested in an answer to the original question. Why, once all vaccinated, will we need to continue with restrictions such as social distancing?

If the future means wearing masks I have no problem with that given the clarty behaviour of some folks.

 

Surely once we’re all vaccinated we’ll reopen doors that cinemas, theatres, concert halls, sport facilities?

 

What would prevent us from doing so?

 

If ‘freedom restricting social restrictions’ continue once we’re all vaccinated, NS and any other ‘power hungry’ politician would want to be anywhere near the helm.

 

There will be social disobedience on a massive scale. Why would any politician court that?

 

 

Why do they want lockdown? There's no good answer to that really, other than opportunist attempts to create a suppressed populace to force through changes behind a health and well-being façade. I don't really buy that myself despite sometimes thinking.

 

However once we are all vaccinated and we don't re-open pubs, cinemas, concert halls etc you're then in a position to wonder what's driving them to keep it like that. I guess we'll see what line they go down.

 

I'd go a step further though and say once phase 1-4 is done there's absolutely no need whatsoever to keep any restrictions in place, but that's just me. 

 

There's a minority that the lockdowns and restrictions help and a majority that they hinder. Goodwill will eventually run out and as you say there will huge social disobedience.

Edited February 9, 2021 by Taffin

[Back to 2005]

1 minute ago, Dagger Is Back said:

I will watch that video to try and understand your stance and beliefs.

 

 

Fair enough. Only fair to say it's all quite sinister but watch it and then make your mind up. 

[Weakened Offender]

1 minute ago, jonesy said:

To be honest, there needs to be a grown up (which rules out both Sturgeon and @Weakened Offender 😛 ) public conversation about things like sports events.

 

Socially distanced fans in family/household congregations sat with masks on and outdoors are very unlikely to spread the virus. Was there any study done in relation to the English games that had fans late last year? Were there any cases as a result of attending the matches? Aberdeen and Ross County's test events seemed to go off without any hitches.

 

It could be argued that banning socially distanced supporters in low numbers is nothing more than, an at best well-intentioned, attempt to create a sense of non-normality to encourage compliance with other rules such as household mixing. If that is the case, then the SG handouts/loans was nothing more than the result of a guilty conscience.

 

I'm happy to be socially distanced from you when the fans get back in, you daft crackpot. 😊

[Weakened Offender]

1 minute ago, jonesy said:

Poor Sturge - inundated with what she thought was one of her supporters' obsession with close-up photos of Heterocephalus glaber.

 

 

 

Just nipping over to Google for a bit.. . 😐

[sadj]

6 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

I think that was the case until the 8th July 

Lol feck knows 🤣

[sadj]

Just now, Weakened Offender said:

 

Just nipping over to Google for a bit.. . 😐

Youve been busy on there today 🤣

[Dennis Reynolds]

Sat sitting here watching the TV, heating on, eating a takeaway pizza and having a beer just wishing I could be in Hitler controlled Poland in 1941 right now. They had it so much better than us right now. I only got out the house a few times today to fill up my fridge, pick up a lovely latte and do some excercise. Such tyranny xo

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, LMc said:

Sat sitting here watching the TV, heating on, eating a takeaway pizza and having a beer just wishing I could be in Hitler controlled Poland in 1941 right now. They had it so much better than us right now. I only got out the house a few times today to fill up my fridge, pick up a lovely latte and do some excercise. Such tyranny xo

You must be easy to please if this makes you happy and satisfied.  Most people would prefer to have the choice  or  opportunity if they so wish to go out to the gym. pub , cafe, restuarant, Tynecastle, etc but are being denied this.  There is a difference from your flippant passive observation. 

[Dagger Is Back]

18 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Well the SG would seriously have problems if restrictions were still punitive if there were no daily deaths and very low ICU and hospital admissions. That should be the yardstick things should be measured by.  I do thing most Govt believe they are doing the right thing with lockdowns but are woefully misguided and truculent about any other strategy. Fingers in the ears behaviors.   I do worry that some puritanical Govt such as SG may use lockodwns as an excuse to pursue  policies relating to alcohol, clubs . pubs etc as they have always been hostile to this on " health " grounds apparently. 

I agree with you except that last sentence. Those are steps that would end the SNP.
 

There’s more to this virus than we’ve been told in my opinion, and whilst I’m struggling with the restrictions and their impacts, I feel I need to have some degree of trust in those in power.

 

They won’t get it all right all of the time but for folks to suggest that this is all just about population control I find bizarre.

 

Still no ones explained why?

[Weakened Offender]

14 minutes ago, Dagger Is Back said:

I will watch that video to try and understand your stance and beliefs.

 

 

 

You can use the rest of this once it's finished pal, I don't need it since adding James to 'ignore.' 👍

 

 

Edited February 9, 2021 by Weakened Offender

[Taffin]

Just now, JamesM48 said:

You must be easy to please if this makes you happy and satisfied.  Most people would prefer to have the choice  or  opportunity if they so wish to go out to the gym. pub , cafe, restuarant, Tynecastle, etc but are being denied this.  There is a difference from your flippant passive observation. 

 

I was going to dignify it with a response about compared to the year 536 or being a dinosaur during their extinction event then 1941 Poland doesn't seem so bad but then I remembered it's not a race to the bottom and we aren't under threat from a tyrannical foreign regime so it's moot point. 

[Gards]

Is it a full moon tonight?

[Governor Tarkin]

4 minutes ago, LMc said:

Sat sitting here watching the TV, heating on, eating a takeaway pizza and having a beer just wishing I could be in Hitler controlled Poland in 1941 right now. They had it so much better than us right now. I only got out the house a few times today to fill up my fridge, pick up a lovely latte and do some excercise. Such tyranny xo

 

Advances in technology and a generally comfier standard of living in 2020's Europe than in 1940's Europe notwithstanding, the above would depend largely upon whether you are Jewish or not.

[Dennis Reynolds]

1 minute ago, JamesM48 said:

You must be easy to please if this makes you happy and satisfied.  Most people would prefer to have the choice  or  opportunity if they so wish to go out to the gym. pub , cafe, restuarant, Tynecastle, etc but are being denied this.  There is a difference from your flippant passive observation. 

 

Nah I just find people comparing a national lockdown during a pandemic to Hitler Germany ******* stupid tbh.

[sadj]

16 minutes ago, LMc said:

Sat sitting here watching the TV, heating on, eating a takeaway pizza and having a beer just wishing I could be in Hitler controlled Poland in 1941 right now. They had it so much better than us right now. I only got out the house a few times today to fill up my fridge, pick up a lovely latte and do some excercise. Such tyranny xo

requires to *insert some inappropriate joke about feeling you my aryan brother” 

 

There is some amount of crap posted but that post you are referring to is up there. Bring back the jkb awards.... We could have a weekly one for the “Neil Lennon shite post of the week , the ramble that has you streaming so much shite out your much your teeth have gone yellow”

Edited February 9, 2021 by sadj

[Dennis Reynolds]

1 minute ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Advances in technology and a generally comfier standard of living in 2020's Europe than in 1940's Europe notwithstanding, the above would depend largely upon whether you are Jewish or not.

 

I decided not to go down that route tbh.

Edited February 9, 2021 by LMc

[Governor Tarkin]

2 minutes ago, Taffin said:

we aren't under threat from a tyrannical foreign regime so it's moot point. 

 

Covid is from the China land.

 

[Governor Tarkin]

Just now, LMc said:

 

I decided not to go down that rout tbh.

 

Good lad. It's a can of worms. 👍

[sadj]

4 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

I was going to dignify it with a response about compared to the year 536 or being a dinosaur during their extinction event then 1941 Poland doesn't seem so bad but then I remembered it's not a race to the bottom and we aren't under threat from a tyrannical foreign regime so it's moot point. 

I just took it for a post saying its pathetic to compare what hitler people through with the current lockdown

[Costanza]

It's hard to believe that sentient human beings can throw phrases around like lockdown enthusiasts/lockdown fanatics around.

I don't know anyone who wants these restrictions to continue any longer than they have to.

 

However until we either squashed the virus with a zero covid approach or vaccinate the vast majority of the population,  I don't see how we can just open everything up once we've vaccinated the elderly and vulnerable.

It's depressing but I've seen no credible evidence to the contrary.

This is the top virulogist in Germany.

Is he incorrect? I'd love to think so, and all ears if we have credible alternative voices.

 

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

Just now, sadj said:

I just took it for a post saying its pathetic to compare what hitler people through with the current lockdown

 

I thought the 'xo' at the end was a dead giveaway tbh.

 

The pizza is fantastic btw lads.

[Dennis Reynolds]

5 minutes ago, sadj said:

🤣 *insert some inappropriate joke about feeling you may aryan brother” 

 

There is some amount of crap posted but that post you are referring to is up there. Bring back the jkb awards.... We could have a weekly one for the “Neil Lennon shite post of the week , the ramble that has you streaming so much shite out your much your teeth have gone yellow”

 

It properly blew my mind. 

 

I like that idea though....

[sadj]

7 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Covid is from the China land.

 

Tyrannical Bats?

[sadj]

7 minutes ago, LMc said:

 

I thought the 'xo' at the end was a dead giveaway tbh.

 

The pizza is fantastic btw lads.

What flavour is available in 1941 poland?

 

sausage? polony......😍

Edited February 9, 2021 by sadj

[sadj]

Just now, jonesy said:

Buy one get one free week at Aldi for aluminium-based products.

Aldi Alumminium Dildos n Butt plugs are part of that sale too i heard

[Dennis Reynolds]

Just now, sadj said:

What flavour is available in 1941 poland?

 

sausage? 

 

😏

[CavySlaveJambo]

2 hours ago, Dagger Is Back said:

I just don’t get this at all. Someone please explain why, when we are all vaccinated, social distancing and other restrictions will still be required?

a) you are vaccinated you don’t get sick or you get a cold, but the data is not there to say for certain Covid vaccines prevent transmission. 
b) uncertainty over how long the vaccine lasts for. 
c) it is a new virus so no one knows how long it will take to get to common cold annoyance levels 

d) to prevent new variants spreading (again and again and again until we get to the common cold annoyance one)

[Dennis Reynolds]

If global corporations are in control and they're using this as a means to 1984 us all, has someone forgot to tell Australia?

 

Or New Zealand?

[Gards]

Just now, LMc said:

If global corporations are in control and they're using this as a means to 1984 us all, has someone forgot to tell Australia?

 

Or New Zealand?

They'll form part of the neutral zone - where those who get their chip implants removed escape to....

[CavySlaveJambo]

Just now, jonesy said:

 

I don't doubt he is correct in what would happen in a worst-case scenario. And it's important that governments plan for WCSs. But WCS models shouldn't drive general public policy. 

 

The only other part of it I'd take issue with is that, if younger people - "who are less likely...to have severe symptoms" - are infected, why would the ICUs fill up? If younger people are just as likely to fill up ICUs, why are we vaccinating people according to some kind of misguided gerontocracy? 

It is a proportion thing. Fewer cases.  Younger people are LESS likely to end up

in an ICU, but they can and do. But the increased case rate mainly being among young people would just change the demographic of those in ICU.  But it would also put more pressure on as the younger group would also be more likely to survive. And Covid patients can be in an ICU for weeks. 

[Don Dan]

32 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Were there any cases as a result of attending the matches?

Excellent question. 

[Dagger Is Back]

30 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

 

Why do they want lockdown? There's no good answer to that really, other than opportunist attempts to create a suppressed populace to force through changes behind a health and well-being façade. I don't really buy that myself despite sometimes thinking.

 

However once we are all vaccinated and we don't re-open pubs, cinemas, concert halls etc you're then in a position to wonder what's driving them to keep it like that. I guess we'll see what line they go down.

 

I'd go a step further though and say once phase 1-4 is done there's absolutely no need whatsoever to keep any restrictions in place, but that's just me. 

 

There's a minority that the lockdowns and restrictions help and a majority that they hinder. Goodwill will eventually run out and as you say there will huge social disobedience.

 

I’m on the same page as you. I’ve got more questions than answers but I’m banking on the vaccines returning us to a more like normal life.

 

To read Swinneys comments and wonder what that means for my business, playing/watching football, socialising with the lads, but more importantly for me, the impact of ongoing restrictions on the health and well being, of my 21 and 18YO kids, scares the shit out of me.

 

I guess time will tell but people’s patience is running out  and summer is not too far away.

 

 

30 minutes ago, Back to 2005 said:

Fair enough. Only fair to say it's all quite sinister but watch it and then make your mind up. 

And that’s the way it should be. Listen to folks views and make up your own mind from an educated position.

[JudyJudyJudy]

22 minutes ago, Dagger Is Back said:

I agree with you except that last sentence. Those are steps that would end the SNP.
 

There’s more to this virus than we’ve been told in my opinion, and whilst I’m struggling with the restrictions and their impacts, I feel I need to have some degree of trust in those in power.

 

They won’t get it all right all of the time but for folks to suggest that this is all just about population control I find bizarre.

 

Still no ones explained why?

I never said it was a sophisticated game ploy to radically change Scottish society . 

21 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

You can use the rest of this once it's finished pal, I don't need it since adding James to 'ignore.' 👍

 

 

Result !!!! 👍👍👍

18 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Advances in technology and a generally comfier standard of living in 2020's Europe than in 1940's Europe notwithstanding, the above would depend largely upon whether you are Jewish or not.

Unfortunately for me I would fit into varuous categories in war time Poland so is he whisked away pronto 

18 minutes ago, LMc said:

 

Nah I just find people comparing a national lockdown during a pandemic to Hitler Germany ******* stupid tbh.

I didn’t 

[Dennis Reynolds]

2 minutes ago, Gards said:

They'll form part of the neutral zone - where those who get their chip implants removed escape to....

 

Better get my passport out...

[sadj]

16 minutes ago, jonesy said:

 

I don't doubt he is correct in what would happen in a worst-case scenario. And it's important that governments plan for WCSs. But WCS models shouldn't drive general public policy. 

 

The only other part of it I'd take issue with is that, if younger people - "who are less likely...to have severe symptoms" - are infected, why would the ICUs fill up? If younger people are just as likely to fill up ICUs, why are we vaccinating people according to some kind of misguided gerontocracy? 

I thought it was a reminder that you have pictures of me and i need to behave...passive aggressive style threats

[Enzo Chiefo]

22 minutes ago, Costanza said:

It's hard to believe that sentient human beings can throw phrases around like lockdown enthusiasts/lockdown fanatics around.

I don't know anyone who wants these restrictions to continue any longer than they have to.

 

However until we either squashed the virus with a zero covid approach or vaccinate the vast majority of the population,  I don't see how we can just open everything up once we've vaccinated the elderly and vulnerable.

It's depressing but I've seen no credible evidence to the contrary.

This is the top virulogist in Germany.

Is he incorrect? I'd love to think so, and all ears if we have credible alternative voices.

 

 

Based again on the flawed modelling that scientists have relied on from day 1. We were told last March that 80% of the population would be infected, 20% off work at once etc etc. Scaremongering nonsense and they're still at it.  The number of un-vaccinated people who are  susceptible to catching it, never mind ending up in ICU would be minimal.It's surely just as likely with a dearth of vulnerable people to infect, that the virus would hit a brick wall? We simply can't justify restricting the vast majority of people with all the real life health, social and economic benefits we know it brings, simply because of modelling scientists and their ridiculous forecasts.  This "overwhelmed hospitals" line is being used time and time again to brainwash and scaremonger people into compliance.  

[sadj]

17 minutes ago, Gards said:

They'll form part of the neutral zone - where those who get their chip implants escape too......

 

Edited February 9, 2021 by sadj

[Nucky Thompson]

9 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Interesting article on India's case rate "mystery" from a a reliable enough source.

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/02/01/962821038/the-mystery-of-indias-plummeting-covid-19-cases?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB&t=1612908142468

Good article jonesy

[Costanza]

Just now, Enzo Chiefo said:

Based again on the flawed modelling that scientists have relied on from day 1. We were told last March that 80% of the population would be infected, 20% off work at once etc etc. Scaremongering nonsense and they're still at it.  The number of un-vaccinated people who are  susceptible to catching it, never mind ending up in ICU would be minimal.It's surely just as likely with a dearth of vulnerable people to infect, that the virus would hit a brick wall? We simply can't justify restricting the vast majority of people with all the real life health, social and economic benefits we know it brings, simply because of modelling scientists and their ridiculous forecasts.  This "overwhelmed hospitals" line is being used time and time again to brainwash and scaremonger people into compliance.  

This is just shite from start to finish.

If you honestly don't think that hospitals and ICUs haven't been struggling with covid and thus impacting the treatment of other illnesses then there's no reasoning with you. The evidence is easily found.

Lets have your evidence to counter claim the below?

 

"In the last few weeks, for example, adults aged 18-64 have accounted for 40% of daily Covid admissions to hospitals, data from Public Health England shows. This compares to 40% for 65-84 year olds and 20% for the over-85s.

And there has been a steep rise in the numbers of people in their mid-40s to mid-60s becoming seriously ill with Covid and being admitted to intensive care units."

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55586994

[manaliveits105]

23 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Next time you're at the checkout and you hear the beep...

Don’t go to Barrymores party

and get in too deep 

[Costanza]

27 minutes ago, jonesy said:

 

I don't doubt he is correct in what would happen in a worst-case scenario. And it's important that governments plan for WCSs. But WCS models shouldn't drive general public policy. 

 

The only other part of it I'd take issue with is that, if younger people - "who are less likely...to have severe symptoms" - are infected, why would the ICUs fill up? If younger people are just as likely to fill up ICUs, why are we vaccinating people according to some kind of misguided gerontocracy? 

I defer to CavySlaveJambo's answer.

If we open up too soon we're going to end up in another bloody lockdown and continue this cycle of inadequate measures to squash the virus. If we need an extra few months to vaccinate the vast majority and then open up, better that than prolonging it with another lockdown later on i.e. UK strategy since last bloody March

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

3 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Thought it was interesting - no real answers sought or given. A proper bit of reporting.

 

Another example, too, of why comparative stats on CV19 are almost worthless without loads of context on demographics, diet, existent virus prevalence, mask and other measure compliance/quality/policing, general well-being, government messages, pop culture... the list is endless. 

 

A proper bit of reporting is extremely rare these days so well done for finding a hidden gem. 

 

Agree with the rest as well.

[Enzo Chiefo]

5 minutes ago, Costanza said:

This is just shite from start to finish.

If you honestly don't think that hospitals and ICUs haven't been struggling with covid and thus impacting the treatment of other illnesses then there's no reasoning with you. The evidence is easily found.

Lets have your evidence to counter claim the below?

 

"In the last few weeks, for example, adults aged 18-64 have accounted for 40% of daily Covid admissions to hospitals, data from Public Health England shows. This compares to 40% for 65-84 year olds and 20% for the over-85s.

And there has been a steep rise in the numbers of people in their mid-40s to mid-60s becoming seriously ill with Covid and being admitted to intensive care units."

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55586994

Woooahhh! I'm not denying the ICU's have been busy, as they are every year but exacerbated by Covid. But Covid patients have been prioritised over the last year,  ahead of people with equally and more serious conditions. 

My point is that, post-vaccination, more, nonsensical figures about x number of cases among youngsters will not be justification for prolonging lockdown. Claiming younger people will fill ICU wards instead of the older, more vulnerable is hysterical garbage. 90+% of those who have died have had co-morbidities and that is, obviously, not replicated among the younger cohort. "Protecting the NHS" will have run it's course by Spring.

[Fxxx the SPFL]

7 minutes ago, Costanza said:

I defer to CavySlaveJambo's answer.

If we open up too soon we're going to end up in another bloody lockdown and continue this cycle of inadequate measures to squash the virus. If we need an extra few months to vaccinate the vast majority and then open up, better that than prolonging it with another lockdown later on i.e. UK strategy since last bloody March

 

when we opened back up last year there were hardly any cases, deaths etc and yet the virus snowballed after that. when do we decide to open up next when there are zero cases if so that could be years away or when enough people have been vaccinated. At some point it will have to be treated the same as the flu virus and not have any lockdown. One other point when the hospitals admissions last year were at there highest we were told that they were at breaking point this time around there were 14k more people in Hospital and yet they still coped just strange

[Dagger Is Back]

39 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

I never said it was a sophisticated game ploy to radically change Scottish society . 

Result !!!! 👍👍👍

Unfortunately for me I would fit into varuous categories in war time Poland so is he whisked away pronto 

I didn’t 

I wasn’t aware that I’d said you had. You said

 

I do worry that some puritanical Govt such as SG may use lockodwns as an excuse to pursue  policies relating to alcohol, clubs . pubs etc as they have always been hostile to this on " health " grounds apparently. 

 

I said I don’t agree because I don’t share your worries.

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, Dagger Is Back said:

I wasn’t aware that I’d said you had. You said

 

I do worry that some puritanical Govt such as SG may use lockodwns as an excuse to pursue  policies relating to alcohol, clubs . pubs etc as they have always been hostile to this on " health " grounds apparently. 

 

I said I don’t agree because I don’t share your worries.

Sorry my error 

[Costanza]

5 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Woooahhh! I'm not denying the ICU's have been busy, as they are every year but exacerbated by Covid. But Covid patients have been prioritised over the last year,  ahead of people with equally and more serious conditions. 

My point is that, post-vaccination, more, nonsensical figures about x number of cases among youngsters will not be justification for prolonging lockdown. Claiming younger people will fill ICU wards instead of the older, more vulnerable is hysterical garbage. 90+% of those who have died have had co-morbidities and that is, obviously, not replicated among the younger cohort. "Protecting the NHS" will have run it's course by Spring.

How are the claims garbage when you have the figures from public health England about the demographics of hospital admissions?

Also, equating ICU pressures this year with other years just doesn't stand up.

You are absolutely right about Covid impacting other treatments which is why I was all for a zero covid/tighter lockdown at the start to mitigate that.

If ICU'S are full of covid patients and dragging other doctors in to assist then it's bound to impact other treatments.

Minimising covid impact on ICU will stop other conditions being delayed for treatment, so if the evidence shows ICU's will be filled up again with younger patients then unfortunately I just can't see the justification for opening up too before we have vaccinated the majority. Which unfortunately is shite but I'd rather an extra few months to fully open up than we open up and then have another lockdown.

 

[Enzo Chiefo]

4 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Broadly agreed, Costanza, and I like your outlook. My point - which I understand swims against the tide for many on here - is that lockdowns and CV19 restrictions are an entirely government-created phenomenon with very little to support their continued use. Plenty of things currently being blamed on CV19 are actually the result of the very measures brought in to control it. As we have seen, attempts to predict, manage and eradicate - except in a few extreme cases - have proven fruitless. We don't need to be in lockdown at all. And moving us into it without having first formulated a coherent and actionable plan to get out of it with minimal long-term damage is, in my view, no better or worse than simply introducing minimal efforts to reduce transmission and allowing it to pass among the less susceptible majority while affording every support possible to those who require it. 

 

However, with Swiney today telling us that jabbing everyone up won't result in the end of restrictions, I'm yet to see any sign of a real exit strategy to the entire shitshow. 

That's right Jonesy. UK planning for pandemics, going back 10 years, never contemplated lockdown. It was about shielding the elderly and allowing everyone else to live their life. It was only in March, when they saw that Italy were getting away with lockdown, that all the planning was ripped up in a few hours, without even thinking about the colossal health, social and economic impact. You're right, come May, there will be no need or justification for any restrictions. 

[Dagger Is Back]

8 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Sorry my error 

Not a problem. Debates are good but sometimes the written word can be misunderstood.