portobellojambo1 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Rods said: Agreed as I said earlier I am going to rely on the new manager to make judgements. If his judgement is Clare, Whighton and Damour etc then those players will get my support. It’s a clean slate from here on in. I know you go in week in week out surely you also would like to see the support behind the team making tynie a place to be feared again. Yeh we may be 1-0 down at HT but we should be roaring the team on in the 2nd half. The only reason Tynecastle isn't a fearful place for visiting teams and fans at the moment is because of the absolutely dire state the most important part of the business, the football, has been allowed to get into. As for the three players you mention I sincerely hope they are amongst the first to depart, in fact I'm still not convinced Damour has ever been a football player. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JamboAl Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: The debate moved on from the original point - it happens on a fans forum. If I remember correctly we sold Niemi for £2m easily covering the Petric and Niemi purchases You mention and some! Football finances have changed dramatically since JJ first stint at Hearts. Paying transfer fees to Clubs were common back then - now they are virtually non existent so it is hardly a surprise Cathro/CL didn’t spend that kind of money - your point is irrelevant. My point is not irrelevant. If we lately had made a signing fot £500k we might have sold him on for £10m but we didn't have that luxury so your point is irrelevant. What would £500k be worth in today's money? You have accepted JJ signed duds so that should put that issue to bed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Governor Tarkin Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 3 hours ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: Levein’s shambolic era Three little words with so much meaning. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kiwidoug Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Presuming the new man has already watched us a fair bit it would be interesting to know what he has thought of the players and what he has thought of the tactics and style of play. I expect he will have a very good idea of what he needs to do when we see him on Tuesday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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GinRummy Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 8 hours ago, Bridge of Djoum said: Any chance we can move on, mate? We got the man we wanted, we have to switch our thoughts and hopes to that rather than continually being bitter about what’s gone before. yeah fair enough. Was only replying to posts comparing signings but I agree time to put things aside. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hearts1975 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 10 hours ago, TWF said: No kneejerking just get rid of the crap on and off the field. Surely the success of Andy Kirk and John Rankin working with the reserves and colts should prevent them from being ditched Fair Point They haven’t been near the first team and granted have done a good job with the reserves/colts 100% Daly and Fox need to go though it will be interesting to see what unfolds this week as I am sure AB will already have discussed with Stendel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pettigrewsstylist Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 9 hours ago, portobellojambo1 said: The only reason Tynecastle isn't a fearful place for visiting teams and fans at the moment is because of the absolutely dire state the most important part of the business, the football, has been allowed to get into. As for the three players you mention I sincerely hope they are amongst the first to depart, in fact I'm still not convinced Damour has ever been a football player. Damour is a strange one bearing in mind where he came from. Perplexed i am. Clare and Wighton have had a lot more exposure, and whilst doubtlessly can improve with better atmosphere and coaching, i doubt have the mettle for this club. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ex member of the SaS Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 19 hours ago, tcjambo said: What a load of bollocks - he never left us in the lurch. He got a chance to test himself in England which almost any manager in the same situation would have done. Remember he had spent virtually his whole career with us - he was entitled to take that chance. As it was Romanov was on the horizon and he would have been sacked by that clown anyway. Ok fine you obviously have a different recollection to me. I remember rumours of infidelity and getting out of dodge fast. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tcjambo Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 19 hours ago, JamboAl said: My point is not irrelevant. If we lately had made a signing fot £500k we might have sold him on for £10m but we didn't have that luxury so your point is irrelevant. What would £500k be worth in today's money? You have accepted JJ signed duds so that should put that issue to bed. We sold Gordon for £9m and he was brought through under Levein. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tcjambo Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 22 hours ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: I’m not saying JJ didn’t sign some duds but the point is his really good signings - Cameron, Weir, Salvatore, McCann, Niemi, Adam, Flogel, Rosset, etc, way outweighed the bad ones. As for costing us a fortune if you add up the money he spent against the money gained through selling players JJ was way in the black - not to mention the commercial benefit of winning the SC. The pattern of Levein’s shambolic era bears absolutely no resemblance to that of JJ. JJ was very lucky. The Bosman era just started. Hearts also had the SMG money which he splaffed. He almost got us feckin relegated. CL had a huge job to turn us round 2000-04. People have such short memories. Anything to fit an agenda. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cruickshank for Scotland Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 hour ago, tcjambo said: JJ was very lucky. The Bosman era just started. Hearts also had the SMG money which he splaffed. He almost got us feckin relegated. CL had a huge job to turn us round 2000-04. People have such short memories. Anything to fit an agenda. You have a massive pro- Levein agenda yourself by the sound of things! Firstly JJ did not have any SMG money when he signed the likes of Rosset, Weir, McCann, Cameron, Adam, Flogel, Salvatore, Bruno - and none of them cost fortunes! And as I’ve said to you on numerous occasions any SMG money he “splaffed” was recouped when Niemi was sold - not to mention the millions we got for Weir, Cameron, Naysmith and McCann. Something you continue to ignore - anything to fit an agenda eh. And as for almost getting us relegated JJ made a couple of shrewd signings and HE got us out of trouble - unlike Levein as we are now relying on a new manager to get us out of his shit! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tcjambo Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: You have a massive pro- Levein agenda yourself by the sound of things! Firstly JJ did not have any SMG money when he signed the likes of Rosset, Weir, McCann, Cameron, Adam, Flogel, Salvatore, Bruno - and none of them cost fortunes! And as I’ve said to you on numerous occasions any SMG money he “splaffed” was recouped when Niemi was sold - not to mention the millions we got for Weir, Cameron, Naysmith and McCann. Something you continue to ignore - anything to fit an agenda eh. And as for almost getting us relegated JJ made a couple of shrewd signings and HE got us out of trouble - unlike Levein as we are now relying on a new manager to get us out of his shit! Nor as obvious as your anti-Levein agenda. Bruno was on £2k pwr week in 1994 FFS- so your point is nonsense. We never got 4m for Niemi lol. We had to pay Darren Jackson a fortune to come to us. So much so that Levein had to tell him he couldn't play him again. Levein got Stephane Adam playing again after he'd been sitting on his arse doing nothing since the Cup Final.You still haven't answered my point about Gordon. Edited December 9, 2019 by tcjambo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cruickshank for Scotland Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 hour ago, tcjambo said: JJ was very lucky. The Bosman era just started. Hearts also had the SMG money which he splaffed. He almost got us feckin relegated. CL had a huge job to turn us round 2000-04. People have such short memories. Anything to fit an agenda. See your comment that CL had a “huge job” to turn us around 2000-04. For the record - * JJ finished 3rd in 1997/1998. * He finished 6th in 19998/1999 (the season you say he almost got us relegated). * He finished 3rd in 1999/2000. So he hardly left a shambles on the park when his relationship with the Pieman totally deteriorated and he left in 2000! What Levein had to deal with was the financial shambles that the Pieman was responsible for. At this time all Scottish clubs had to cut back player budgets as they were getting squeezed by the banks, however whilst Levein budget was cut he still had the 3rd highest player budget in the SPL. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tcjambo Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: See your comment that CL had a “huge job” to turn us around 2000-04. For the record - * JJ finished 3rd in 1997/1998. * He finished 6th in 19998/1999 (the season you say he almost got us relegated). * He finished 3rd in 1999/2000. So he hardly left a shambles on the park when his relationship with the Pieman totally deteriorated and he left in 2000! What Levein had to deal with was the financial shambles that the Pieman was responsible for. At this time all Scottish clubs had to cut back player budgets as they were getting squeezed by the banks, however whilst Levein budget was cut he still had the 3rd highest player budget in the SPL. JJ is a hero of mine like CL. I just get pissed off when people try to twist every fact to suit their agenda. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Prof Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: What Levein had to deal with was the financial shambles that the Pieman was responsible for. Actually it was AB who dealt with the financial shambles not Levein. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tcjambo Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, Prof said: Actually it was AB who dealt with the financial shambles not Levein. Levein was told in no uncertain terms he had to slash the budget when he was appointed Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Prof Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, tcjambo said: Levein was told in no uncertain terms he had to slash the budget when he was appointed Nonsense. AB put the club on a firm financial footing. As for Levein he dished out contracts willy nilly to the likes of Martin, Cathro and countless non entities, wasting the clubs money. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cruickshank for Scotland Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, tcjambo said: Nor as obvious as your anti-Levein agenda. Bruno was on £2k pwr week in 1994 FFS- so your point is nonsense. We never got 4m for Niemi lol. We had to pay Darren Jackson a fortune to come to us. So much so that Levein had to tell him he couldn't play him again. Levein got Stephane Adam playing again after he'd been sitting on his arse doing nothing since the Cup Finsl.You still haven't answered my point about Gordon. How do you know how much money we were paying Bruno? I don’t know - but he was a cracking signing don’t you agree? I never said we got £4m for Niemi we got £2m - JJ didn’t get £4m of the SMG money. Stephane Adam? What a fabulous JJ signing he was - don’t you agree? Gordon signed for Hearts in 2000 - was JJ still the manager or was it Levein? Anyway Levein gave him his chance so he deserves credit for that - Vlad gets the credit for screwing Sunderland out of £9m! 😉 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cruickshank for Scotland Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 10 minutes ago, tcjambo said: JJ is a hero of mine like CL. I just get pissed off when people try to twist every fact to suit their agenda. what fact have I twisted? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JamboAl Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 But the point remains - all managers sign players who turn out to be duds and that applies more when you're shopping downmarket. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ToqueJambo Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: How do you know how much money we were paying Bruno? I don’t know - but he was a cracking signing don’t you agree? I never said we got £4m for Niemi we got £2m - JJ didn’t get £4m of the SMG money. Stephane Adam? What a fabulous JJ signing he was - don’t you agree? Gordon signed for Hearts in 2000 - was JJ still the manager or was it Levein? Anyway Levein gave him his chance so he deserves credit for that - Vlad gets the credit for screwing Sunderland out of £9m! 😉 Gordon was worth that. He was one of the best goalies in "the best league in the world" for at least 1 or 2 seasons and without injuries would have moved to an Arsenal or someone as rumoured. Brilliant goalkeeper sadly held back due to injuries. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cruickshank for Scotland Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: Gordon was worth that. He was one of the best goalies in "the best league in the world" for at least 1 or 2 seasons and without injuries would have moved to an Arsenal or someone as rumoured. Brilliant goalkeeper sadly held back due to injuries. Yes I know he was - that bit was just a bit of banter. Id love to see him back at Tynecastle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cruickshank for Scotland Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, JamboAl said: But the point remains - all managers sign players who turn out to be duds and that applies more when you're shopping downmarket. Yeah so you keep saying. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tcjambo Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 14 minutes ago, JamboAl said: But the point remains - all managers sign players who turn out to be duds and that applies more when you're shopping downmarket. You are one of the few rational posters here Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ford donald Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 hours ago, tcjambo said: We sold Gordon for £9m and he was brought through under Levein. I beleive JJ made the decision to keep Gordon on as a youngster. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tcjambo Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ford donald said: I beleive JJ made the decision to keep Gordon on as a youngster. He made the breakthrough under Levein though Edited December 9, 2019 by tcjambo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tcjambo Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 What did the Romans ever do for us lol? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cruickshank for Scotland Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, tcjambo said: He made the breakthrough under Levein though Piggy backing on a JJ signing then? 😉 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JamboAl Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 12 hours ago, tcjambo said: You are one of the few rational posters here 👍 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Hearts007 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 20 hours ago, tcjambo said: What did the Romans ever do for us lol? jj told them to build roads 🤣 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
been here before Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 On 08/12/2019 at 09:59, Restonbabe said: When Stendal takes over on Tuesday. Watch this space. I'll reply to this post and say I told you so So how is this working out then? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jambo 4 Ever Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 On 08/12/2019 at 09:59, Restonbabe said: When Stendal takes over on Tuesday. Watch this space. I'll reply to this post and say I told you so Your source said all the others would be let go and this didn’t happen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kiwidoug Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 We all know who the mass clear out should have started with and they are not players. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Restonbabe Posted December 21, 2019 Author Share Posted December 21, 2019 On 11/12/2019 at 17:38, Natural Orders said: Your source said all the others would be let go and this didn’t happen No I never. I said they have been given their marching orders. I never said when. I was told all their contracts won't be renewed. Which is true. As I said watch this space. As Stendal said only person he can trust is kirk. We are honking and it's all down to the coaching Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tommy Brown Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 43 minutes ago, Restonbabe said: No I never. I said they have been given their marching orders. I never said when. I was told all their contracts won't be renewed. Which is true. As I said watch this space. As Stendal said only person he can trust is kirk. We are honking and it's all down to the coaching 10 days late with that reply Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pettigrewsstylist Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 (edited) Dont know how many of this lot can be coached/repaired tbh, at Hearts Also compounded by how long we have left to save the Premiership status Suspect just letting some of them leave for free, if they will go, might be best If they cant/wont play for us then little point in giving them a strip I would have Wighton, Whyte, Clare, Perreira and Mclean in 1st taxi Edited December 21, 2019 by pettigrewsstylist Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Restonbabe Posted December 22, 2019 Author Share Posted December 22, 2019 23 hours ago, Tommy Brown said: 10 days late with that reply I wasn't wrong either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tommy Brown Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 07/12/2019 at 20:05, Restonbabe said: I've been told that Austin Mcphee Jon Daily Andy kirk Liam fox Paul Gallagher All Been given their marching orders!! I think we need to trim down the 1st team squad aswell 2 hours ago, Restonbabe said: I wasn't wrong either. I'm sure if we wait long enough you will end up right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1971fozzy Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 21/12/2019 at 20:16, pettigrewsstylist said: Dont know how many of this lot can be coached/repaired tbh, at Hearts Also compounded by how long we have left to save the Premiership status Suspect just letting some of them leave for free, if they will go, might be best If they cant/wont play for us then little point in giving them a strip I would have Wighton, Whyte, Clare, Perreira and Mclean in 1st taxi we couldn’t get rid of Oshinawa or Martin so depends on (whoever is told they have no future) a lot of factors. who would take wage cuts to move for instance ? I read somewhere we have loads of contracts up end of this season so would be interesting to see who they are Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ford donald Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 09/12/2019 at 00:35, JamboAl said: My point is not irrelevant. If we lately had made a signing fot £500k we might have sold him on for £10m but we didn't have that luxury so your point is irrelevant. What would £500k be worth in today's money? You have accepted JJ signed duds so that should put that issue to bed. JJ signed lots of good players,CL signed lots of crap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JamboAl Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 2 hours ago, ford donald said: JJ signed lots of good players,CL signed lots of crap. No one's arguing with you. Both of them signed good players and both signed some duffers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jambo 4 Ever Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 6 hours ago, Restonbabe said: I wasn't wrong either. They haven’t been given their marching orders though Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JFK-1 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 6 hours ago, 1971fozzy said: I read somewhere we have loads of contracts up end of this season so would be interesting to see who they are Perira Dikamona Brandon Whelan Bozanic Meshino Maclean Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Russ1977 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 hour ago, JFK-1 said: Perira Dikamona Brandon Whelan Bozanic Meshino Maclean I’d keep Brandon and bin the rest. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Harry Potter Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, Russ1977 said: I’d keep Brandon and bin the rest. Thats how bad it is bud, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Restonbabe Posted December 23, 2019 Author Share Posted December 23, 2019 11 hours ago, Natural Orders said: They haven’t been given their marching orders though When you have been told your contract is not being renewed and told not to return to your place of work. Id call that getting your marching orders son. The only person Stendal can trust is Andrew Kirk. Results speak for themselves. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stu_HMFC Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Don't know how Brandon has made it as professional footballer There is not many id keep would keep a lot of the youth players and keep M Smith Souttar Haring Washington Walker Halkett Irving Henderson Hickey - Will be Sold but loan back If poss Give chances to Stone Logan Petkov recall from loan Lee Burns Harry Macdonald Hamilton Smith 2 new keepers 3 new defenders 3 new midfields 3 new forwards Min Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GinRummy Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 8 hours ago, Russ1977 said: I’d keep Brandon and bin the rest. Same. He had a bad injury, came back shite then been good recently. Hoping he kicks on from here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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