Walter Kidd Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Something I have noticed lately is that during the warm up the subs are not included in the warm up and are left to kick the ball back and forward to each other. Now, I'm no UEFA accredited coach but do have some coaching badges from my time coaching a boys club. Surely all the players should receive the same warm up so that all muscle groups are sufficiently worked in order that you can take to the field of play without the chance of injury? You then keep yourself ticking over as the match progresses. It looks amateur to me but I am sure some who are more qualified than I am tell me that is the right thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, Walter Kidd said: Something I have noticed lately is that during the warm up the subs are not included in the warm up and are left to kick the ball back and forward to each other. Now, I'm no UEFA accredited coach but do have some coaching badges from my time coaching a boys club. Surely all the players should receive the same warm up so that all muscle groups are sufficiently worked in order that you can take to the field of play without the chance of injury? You then keep yourself ticking over as the match progresses. It looks amateur to me but I am sure some who are more qualified than I am tell me that is the right thing to do. Warm up has split the playing side and the subs for as long as I remember. Every team does this. You saying the subs did nothing? Not together at start for stretches? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Have our subs got a history of being injured after coming on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruzabic Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Subs will be warming up for 65 mins of a game extra to the starting players. There's no need for them to be doing high intensity warm up when they will then go sit back on a bench. That's why they are separate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 I also noticed The Rangers subs never came out at half time at all..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodami Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) Notice we had a coach out with the subs at half time yesterday, that's a lot better than leaving them to their own devices. Edited October 21, 2019 by Jodami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig_ Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, ericb said: I also noticed The Rangers subs never came out at half time at all..... Jermaine probably couldn't find his zimmer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 This is standard with most clubs. The 11 do the focused warm up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Walter Kidd said: Something I have noticed lately is that during the warm up the subs are not included in the warm up and are left to kick the ball back and forward to each other. Now, I'm no UEFA accredited coach but do have some coaching badges from my time coaching a boys club. Surely all the players should receive the same warm up so that all muscle groups are sufficiently worked in order that you can take to the field of play without the chance of injury? You then keep yourself ticking over as the match progresses. It looks amateur to me but I am sure some who are more qualified than I am tell me that is the right thing to do. Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
communist Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just before some shooting practise. At the Gorgie/wheatfield corner, about 15 mins before kick off, uche was quite unhappy and having a go at John Daly about something, Sean Clare managed to calm him down but did anyone see what caused it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, communist said: Just before some shooting practise. At the Gorgie/wheatfield corner, about 15 mins before kick off, uche was quite unhappy and having a go at John Daly about something, Sean Clare managed to calm him down but did anyone see what caused it? He had a big argument with Michael Smith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcc Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 53 minutes ago, Craig_ said: Jermaine probably couldn't find his zimmer... Deffo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crete Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 55 minutes ago, Craig_ said: Jermaine probably couldn't find his zimmer... Jermaine with a Zimmer would be better than most players in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 I think we should have these static cycles in or beside the dugout to keep the subs warmed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Jodami said: Notice we had a coach out with the subs at half time yesterday, that's a lot better than leaving them to their own devices. Dikamona did a full warmup at HT, i thought he was coming on. I wonder if they wanted him ready so they could assess Hickeys confidence as he looked shot at that point. Obviously the kid took his rollicking and buckled down which is fantastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 31 minutes ago, Crete said: Jermaine with a Zimmer would be better than most players in the league. Had they played Defoe they would likely have won the match. Berra would have struggled with his movement whereas Morelos played into his hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Walter Kidd said: Now, I'm no UEFA accredited coach but do have some coaching badges from my time coaching a boys club. Every boys club coach i know thinks they're Pep after a half day session, a PVG and a first aid cert!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Bishop Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Walter Kidd said: Something I have noticed lately is that during the warm up the subs are not included in the warm up and are left to kick the ball back and forward to each other. Now, I'm no UEFA accredited coach but do have some coaching badges from my time coaching a boys club. Surely all the players should receive the same warm up so that all muscle groups are sufficiently worked in order that you can take to the field of play without the chance of injury? You then keep yourself ticking over as the match progresses. It looks amateur to me but I am sure some who are more qualified than I am tell me that is the right thing to do. If you have coaching badges, i assume you will have done SYFA sports injuries and well being courses? So you really should know the reasons for this. Subs should never do as intenses a warm up as the starting team. The initial warm up is done at a higher level for those starting the game, the subs are encouraged to stretch and move and will probably join in with some shooting. Subs doing the full warm up and then sitting in the dug out would create problems for muscles as they would stiffen up, that is why they warm up at intervals behind the goals during the match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amadjambo Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 3 hours ago, graygo said: Have our subs got a history of being injured after coming on? Washington did his hamstring shortly after coming on a few weeks ago. Other than that I can’t think of any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, amadjambo said: Washington did his hamstring shortly after coming on a few weeks ago. Other than that I can’t think of any. He did but it's hardly a pattern. (I know you're not suggesting that it is) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gov Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 2 hours ago, TheBigO said: Dikamona did a full warmup at HT, i thought he was coming on. I wonder if they wanted him ready so they could assess Hickeys confidence as he looked shot at that point. Obviously the kid took his rollicking and buckled down which is fantastic. I noticed this too, was almost certain he was coming on at the start of the 2nd half had him running about like a dafty at half time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie1874 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: He had a big argument with Michael Smith. Uche or John Daly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, stevie1874 said: Uche or John Daly? Uche. Was told about it as I got to my seat and saw the fallout. I was saying Craig had got Smith to get him wound up for the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie1874 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 48 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Uche. Was told about it as I got to my seat and saw the fallout. I was saying Craig had got Smith to get him wound up for the game. The last thing we need is a fallout between senior players in the dressing room. I noticed as the players were coming off at halftime Whelan & Uche were having words with each other. Hopefully it just shows they are able to have a go at each other as they care about winning more than themselves. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 11 minutes ago, stevie1874 said: The last thing we need is a fallout between senior players in the dressing room. I noticed as the players were coming off at halftime Whelan & Uche were having words with each other. Hopefully it just shows they are able to have a go at each other as they care about winning more than themselves. 👍 Its just exactly what we do want. Players pushing each other. Not scared to call each other out. Better than them letting shit slide, I'm alright Jack, type vibe. Footballs like cheffing, you fight and sweat, swear, win and lose together. End of shift, all pals, on to next shift. End result all that matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcc Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Definitely something untoward about the post match recovery process... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, stevie1874 said: The last thing we need is a fallout between senior players in the dressing room. I noticed as the players were coming off at halftime Whelan & Uche were having words with each other. Hopefully it just shows they are able to have a go at each other as they care about winning more than themselves. 👍 The fall out between Smith and Uche was on the pitch during the warm up. Uche isn't a "senior player". Edited October 21, 2019 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 11 minutes ago, gjcc said: Definitely something untoward about the post match recovery process... Jeez, hope he's atleast using toylube Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcc Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 19 minutes ago, TheBigO said: Jeez, hope he's atleast using toylube Uche isn’t grabbing the bench firmly. So they must be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theme From Sparta F.C. Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 8 hours ago, ericb said: I also noticed The Rangers subs never came out at half time at all..... They did come out for a warm up. But it was late into the interval. And it lasted all of 2 mins before Hearts come back out and their warm up was over. A bit of a waste of time really.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Sausage Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 57 minutes ago, gjcc said: Definitely something untoward about the post match recovery process... Why is Stevie McLean fisting Uche? Why is Uche letting him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcc Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Captain Sausage said: Why is Stevie McLean fisting Uche? Why is Uche letting him? Team bonding. Can’t claim the players don’t get on. And who is that in the space boot? 👀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Another load of rubbish thread designed to put the boot in Get a grip people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dia Liom Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Sure I saw Smith having a pop at Clare in the howler v Killie. Need a few more like Smithy, I'd say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay James Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 4 hours ago, stevie1874 said: The last thing we need is a fallout between senior players in the dressing room. I noticed as the players were coming off at halftime Whelan & Uche were having words with each other. Hopefully it just shows they are able to have a go at each other as they care about winning more than themselves. 👍 It's exactly what we need, players with a winning mentality who have the highest standards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay James Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 10 hours ago, Armageddon said: Every boys club coach i know thinks they're Pep after a half day session, a PVG and a first aid cert!!!!!!!!!! This. It's embaressing and akin to folk saying they are a doctor because they've attended at first aid course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 14 hours ago, Walter Kidd said: Something I have noticed lately is that during the warm up the subs are not included in the warm up and are left to kick the ball back and forward to each other. Now, I'm no UEFA accredited coach but do have some coaching badges from my time coaching a boys club. Surely all the players should receive the same warm up so that all muscle groups are sufficiently worked in order that you can take to the field of play without the chance of injury? You then keep yourself ticking over as the match progresses. It looks amateur to me but I am sure some who are more qualified than I am tell me that is the right thing to do. Not sure. Surely the first 11 get warmed up as they are getting ready to play imminently. The subs warm up before they come on in general and just stay loose in case of an emergency? Not sure getting warmed up to the extent of being ready to play then sitting down is the best. Different levels of warm up I'd have thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 4 hours ago, Captain Sausage said: Why is Stevie McLean fisting Uche? Why is Uche letting him? Don't knock it until you've tried it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 5 hours ago, gjcc said: Definitely something untoward about the post match recovery process... Cannae have Karen doing that Ffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry hippo Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 12 hours ago, TheBigO said: Dikamona did a full warmup at HT, i thought he was coming on. I wonder if they wanted him ready so they could assess Hickeys confidence as he looked shot at that point. Obviously the kid took his rollicking and buckled down which is fantastic. Assume he was getting ready because White was being sick at half time. Not sure why they changed plan and went with Brandon given White didn't last long in the second half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millerjames398 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 7 hours ago, TheBigO said: Jeez, hope he's atleast using toylube By the look on the physios face, he's pulling on more than uches hamstring 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcc Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 39 minutes ago, millerjames398 said: By the look on the physios face, he's pulling on more than uches hamstring 😂 “Is that, is that Katic? Uche we’ve talked about this before. It’s ‘back pocket’ not ‘back passage’. Come on Nikola out ye come” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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