Pasquale for King Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said: It's no politics really is it, it's more a human rights issue, not something two sides can argue over. Football going things like this and anti-racism things etc are exactly what it should be doing. It's one of the few things can speak to a certain demographic of people. It is and if it helps them to sell strips or get fans through the gates who are we to criticise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 minute ago, AlphonseCapone said: It's no politics really is it, it's more a human rights issue, not something two sides can argue over. Football going things like this and anti-racism things etc are exactly what it should be doing. It's one of the few things can speak to a certain demographic of people. In my view it's political, same as the huns having an orange strip or celtic putting stuff about a famine on theirs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudiHMFC Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 The strip looks awrite, decent wee publicity stunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJT Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, fabienleclerq said: It's more of a publicity stunt I suppose, I think anyone and everyone is sticking a rainbow on their product and it maybe cheapens the whole idea imo. Flip side is it's making people talk about it. Yeah, you might have a point. Still though I think there’s more to be gained than lost through something simple and small like this. Fair play to them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 52 minutes ago, PhoenixHearts said: Aye, that's the ones. They often tend to have an uncomfortably creepy and overbearing relationship with their daughter. So they are sexually abusing their daughters ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJT Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, fabienleclerq said: In my view it's political, same as the huns having an orange strip or celtic putting stuff about a famine on theirs. I kinda think the opposite. As in, the equivalent might be the uglies putting an anti bigotry slogan on their strips.. cannae see them doing that though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJT Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Nookie Bear said: So they are sexually abusing their daughters ? Do you start fights in empty rooms?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Just now, smartinmaroon said: Do you start fights in empty rooms?! Only in the close season when i'm bored. Want some? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJT Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 ?not into fighting hairy arsed men thanks ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Just now, smartinmaroon said: ?not into fighting hairy arsed men thanks ? What an odd addition to the JKB crew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 22 minutes ago, fabienleclerq said: In my view it's political, same as the huns having an orange strip or celtic putting stuff about a famine on theirs. Your view is wrong. Anyone who who thinks the LGBT community having the same basic human rights as everyone else is a bit political is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozi Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 I think it's very clever, they are positioning themselves as forward thinking in a sea of savages in Glasgow. Rangers--we hate catholics, we urra peeple Celtic-we hate protestants, ohhah up the ra Partick - there's no place for hate here Well played Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJT Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 22 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: What an odd addition to the JKB crew ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morph Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Have they said how much of the sales will go towards LGBT charities? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson5 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 26 minutes ago, Bozi said: I think it's very clever, they are positioning themselves as forward thinking in a sea of savages in Glasgow. Rangers--we hate catholics, we urra peeple Celtic-we hate protestants, ohhah up the ra Partick - there's no place for hate here Well played 100% this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Pasquale for King said: It’s not that bad a strip though is it? Looks fine to me. ??♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Pasquale for King said: It’s not that bad a strip though is it? It's not too bad. If they had released it without the promo picture then it wouldn't have raised as many eyebrows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 21 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: It's not too bad. If they had released it without the promo picture then it wouldn't have raised as many eyebrows. No real reason for any eyebrows to be raised in 2019. Good on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 52 minutes ago, davemclaren said: Looks fine to me. ??♂️ Me too Dave, can’t see the fuss at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 3 hours ago, Phil Dunphy said: Your view is wrong. Anyone who who thinks the LGBT community having the same basic human rights as everyone else is a bit political is wrong. Ok Phil. Nice strawmanning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 18 minutes ago, fabienleclerq said: Ok Phil. Nice strawmanning. Hardly strawmannirg when you've said Partick Thistles LGBT shirt is the same as Rangers releasing an orange away strip. Anyone finding an issue with this in 2019 needs to die out with the rest of the dinosaurs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: Hardly strawmannirg when you've said Partick Thistles LGBT shirt is the same as Rangers releasing an orange away strip. Anyone finding an issue with this in 2019 needs to die out with the rest of the dinosaurs. I said it's political, it is. Ive never said I have an issue with it. I'll leave you to carry on strawmanning and fighting for human rights via kickback. Mind your Cape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Just now, fabienleclerq said: I said it's political, it is. Ive never said I have an issue with it. I'll leave you to carry on strawmanning and fighting for human rights via kickback. Mind your Cape. I bet you're fun at parties. Telling people that LGBT is all political and that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: I bet you're fun at parties. Telling people that LGBT is all political and that. Being LGBT isn't political but releasing a strip showing support for it is. I'm all in favour of the strip but totally get the argument that we say football and politics should be separate...unless it's something we are in favour of. Similar to clubs saying don't celebrate participating in some conflicts but endorse others but let's not go there again Edited June 18, 2019 by Taffin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Taffin said: Being LGBT isn't political but releasing a strip showing support for it is. I'm all in favour of the strip but totally get the argument that we say football and politics should be separate...unless it's something we are in favour of. Similar to clubs saying don't celebrate participating in some conflicts but endorse others but let's not go there again How many professional footballers have come out though? It is an issue that is deep in football, and for football to help tackle. EPL did rainbow laces last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 21 minutes ago, kila said: How many professional footballers have come out though? It is an issue that is deep in football, and for football to help tackle. EPL did rainbow laces last season. As I said, I'm all in favour of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 56 minutes ago, Taffin said: Being LGBT isn't political but releasing a strip showing support for it is. I'm all in favour of the strip but totally get the argument that we say football and politics should be separate...unless it's something we are in favour of. Similar to clubs saying don't celebrate participating in some conflicts but endorse others but let's not go there again This is what I was trying to get across, Phils trying to pick a fight as per. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morph Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 12 minutes ago, farin said: Strip looks ok, each to their own & all that etc. It is pretty tacky tbf, but it’s a rainbow on a white strip so was always going to be. As with all away strips that are a bit different, it’ll sell well with the bairns. Don’t have any issue with a football team making a political statement if the statement promotes inclusivity for everyone like the rainbow does. It’s not harmful to anyone at all. Its not anywhere near the same as rangers or Celtic making some sort of political/religious statement with a tangerine strip or whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 52 minutes ago, farin said: Strip looks ok, each to their own & all that etc. Looks alright apart from the pattern on the sleeves. Reminds me of that cra**y pattern they had on buses a few years back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Gordons Gloves Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 LGBT rights and showing support for them is NOT political. How these rights are then used as a political football (pardon the pun) is what makes it political. Thistle have basically said - we support the rights of all and we're showing that by adding a rainbow to our strip. Now, let's turn it around. Is eradicating child poverty or ill treatment political? If it is, then Hearts shouldn't have Save The Children emblazoned on the front of our shirts, in what is a more prominent visual than a rainbow stripe down the side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scnorthedinburgh Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 47 minutes ago, Craig Gordons Gloves said: LGBT rights and showing support for them is NOT political. How these rights are then used as a political football (pardon the pun) is what makes it political. Thistle have basically said - we support the rights of all and we're showing that by adding a rainbow to our strip. Now, let's turn it around. Is eradicating child poverty or ill treatment political? If it is, then Hearts shouldn't have Save The Children emblazoned on the front of our shirts, in what is a more prominent visual than a rainbow stripe down the side. We should have a like button on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morph Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 If you want to split hairs it’s more of a sociopolitical statement than a political statement. Eradicating child poverty does have a political element to it because it will require change from governments to protect them, the same with LGBT people in society. That doesn’t mean a football club can’t align itself with these issues and support the desire for change. Things like promoting LGBT rights, stand up to racism etc all have a place to be discussed within football because it is relevant to the sport. Whereas unionism vs republicans don’t. I think I’m going off on a tangent here and I don’t think we’re disagreeing on the main point of all this but I don’t see what the problem is with a football club taking a stance on something like this when it’s about inclusivity rather than something that’s massively divisive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 2 hours ago, farin said: Strip looks ok, each to their own & all that etc. Love it if Hearts did the same for an away top. Super8 would implode! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Craig Gordons Gloves said: LGBT rights and showing support for them is NOT political. How these rights are then used as a political football (pardon the pun) is what makes it political. Thistle have basically said - we support the rights of all and we're showing that by adding a rainbow to our strip. Now, let's turn it around. Is eradicating child poverty or ill treatment political? If it is, then Hearts shouldn't have Save The Children emblazoned on the front of our shirts, in what is a more prominent visual than a rainbow stripe down the side. Bingo. Nail on head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adayinmay Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Fair play to Partick on this one. ?? https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/48679183 Bold move to make the first step in professional football to acknowledge all sections (and in particular this one) of our society in football. Wish Hearts could have claimed this mantle but happy that Partick (or anyone) has. The more clubs accept responsibility for their actions the more they will influence how we are as a society. Wont lose too much sleep over it though, given our sponsors, Fan contribution and eventual ownership , first club to pay living wage ... and so on. Our moral ground is still high. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sub4TiddlerMurray Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Outstanding by Partick!!! Huge well done to them. Football is a homophobic stone age backwater and the fact that no gay players in the whole uk feel safe enough to openly say so is what is wrong. Partick are making a small statement and it’s time the rest of the clubs were dragged into the 21st century. viv la Partick!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sub4TiddlerMurray Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 ...hilarious, weird and telling, that so many on jkb are discussing what the strip looks like rather than what it stands for! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Sub4TiddlerMurray said: ...hilarious, weird and telling, that so many on jkb are discussing what the strip looks like rather than what it stands for! That could be viewed as a positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 23 hours ago, PhoenixHearts said: Good. Anything that increases visibility and acceptance of marginalised groups in a traditionally set-in-its-ways, verging on over-compensatory masculine sport is a move in the right direction. perfect answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sub4TiddlerMurray Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 hour ago, davemclaren said: That could be viewed as a positive. Yep, that's a fair point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Hearts Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 21 hours ago, fabienleclerq said: I think politics doesn't really have a place in football. Do you think "Show Racism The Red Card" doesn't have a place in football? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jock _turd Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 23 hours ago, Phil Dunphy said: Your view is wrong. Anyone who who thinks the LGBT community having the same basic human rights as everyone else is a bit political is wrong. This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 4 hours ago, Hackney Hearts said: Do you think "Show Racism The Red Card" doesn't have a place in football? Nah mate, I'm a massive racist you've got me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixHearts Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 On 18/06/2019 at 14:54, Nookie Bear said: So they are sexually abusing their daughters ? Oh no, nothing sinister like that. Just the types of dad's that struggle to emotionslly accept how little control they have over their daughters life and choices. The type that make ostensibly sarcastic threats of violence to their daughters boyfriends whether they've even met them or not, or the ones that treat their daughters like a possession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Hearts Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, fabienleclerq said: Nah mate, I'm a massive racist you've got me. I suspect you're not, but that wasn't the point of the question. Fighting racism is the same sort of 'political' as protecting LGBT rights - you said you disagreed with involving football in the latter, so I was just curious if that applied to the former. Doesn't make anyone a racist, either way. It's just interesting, because I agree some forms of politics certainly don't belong in football. Edited June 19, 2019 by Hackney Hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, PhoenixHearts said: Oh no, nothing sinister like that. Just the types of dad's that struggle to emotionslly accept how little control they have over their daughters life and choices. The type that make ostensibly sarcastic threats of violence to their daughters boyfriends whether they've even met them or not, or the ones that treat their daughters like a possession. Yeah i hate these " humorous" memes on " Facebook" re 10 Rules for dating my daughter"....and they list threats of violence etc against any potential boyfriends etc ( also assuming the daughter will be straight !) They are creepy as hell...yes their daughters arent their possession ! Edited June 19, 2019 by JamesM48 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 On 17/06/2019 at 23:59, ri Alban said: Plastic whistle! FFS, Wtf. Your patter is worse than that top. Sure I witnessed you posting “Westmonster” once or twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: Yeah i hate these " humorous" memes on " Facebook" re 10 Rules for dating my daughter"....and they list threats of violence etc against any potential boyfriends etc ( also assuming the daughter will be straight !) They are creepy as hell...yes their daughters arent their possession ! Usually accompanied by some hillbilly holding a shotgun. Sounds like a dumbass Yank thing. Us Brits are more enlightened when it comes that kind of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunks Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 On 18/06/2019 at 15:24, Bozi said: I think it's very clever, they are positioning themselves as forward thinking in a sea of savages in Glasgow. Rangers--we hate catholics, we urra peeple Celtic-we hate protestants, ohhah up the ra Partick - there's no place for hate here Well played Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunks Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 9 hours ago, Sub4TiddlerMurray said: ...hilarious, weird and telling, that so many on jkb are discussing what the strip looks like rather than what it stands for! And many before they'd even seen it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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