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Another Obama v Trump comparison from Jimmy Kimmel, this time it's a 'national prayer breakfast. It's supposed to be a spiritual, non partisan thing.

Check out the difference between Obama and Trump. If you didn't know already could you even guess Trump is supposed to be taking part in a religious non partisan event?
 

 

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Justin Z

That's great, but let's not rehabilitate Barack Obama, please, especially not while we're being sarcastic at the American population generally for hating "socialism".

 


Edit: Just a wee reminder that Clinton lost Michigan in 2016 by 10,704 votes. The population of Flint is almost 100,000. Genesee County, 130,000, and it is solid blue. All well and good to blame Sanders and third party voters for Trump being in the White House right now though.

 

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J.T.F.Robertson
1 hour ago, Dawnrazor said:

I got a job offer when I was 21 in Massachusetts, green card was sorted for my girlfriend (now my wife) and I and my boss at the time  was my sponsor. I never went, my Mum had just died and my Dad was on his own, I dearly wish I had. 

 

FWIW, I think most of us have regrets over doing, or not doing for that matter, something similar whatever the background to it.

Had a mate donkeys ago who came over, was offered a job, then literally a day or two before he was heading back to finalise things, they (the government) changed job criterias. He was gutted, to put it mildly.

 

 

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JFK-1
23 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

That's great, but let's not rehabilitate Barack Obama, please, especially not while we're being sarcastic at the American population generally for hating "socialism".

 

On my part it's not so much sarcasm as total exasperation. They have politicians who may actually even include Biden who may indeed give them say British style 'socialism' if he could. But the way I see it he can't. He couldn't even say the word without being attacked and perhaps throwing the election.

 

You know as well as I do the reaction if the word is even mentioned. Hell Trump is using that very word, socialism, as a threat to the population of what will happen to them if they elect Biden.

You must know better than I do what's wrong with these people. I don't understand it. Trump is threatening them with scare stories of guaranteed health care? And even more horrors, you might be forced to take weeks of paid holiday per year? And they don't want that?

I don't get it. 

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Rodger Mellie
1 hour ago, JFK-1 said:

 

But, but, that amounts to 'socialism', and that's bad. Right? My last job in Scotland before coming here I had 37 days a year. Took 2 weeks in Summer, another 2 weeks at Xmas and New Year, which left me with 17 days.

For months after the Xmas and new year period I was working 3 day weeks. Taking Fridays and Mondays off using those remaining 17 days. Stinking socialism. Better to work yourself into an early grave with rarely a decent break and no proper health care system.

Greatest country in the world..

I don't think my US coworkers believe me when i tell them how many days holidays I used to get working in Scotland. I currently get 28 days, which is good by US standards. However, that includes the major holidays like July 4th etc and 5 sick days.

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Maple Leaf

The latest flurry of posts on this thread started with a mention about a high % Americans not having passports.  I understand why that's the case; they don't need them.

 

What type of holiday do you want?  Desert climate? Sub-tropical? Mountain climbing? Skiing? Great seafood?  Mexican food?  Whatever you want, you can drive there, usually within a day or two at most.  You won't need a passport, you won't need a visa, you don't need to worry about Montezuma's revenge.

 

And there is never a problem with language, never a problem with drinking the local water, and always good medical facilities nearby if needed. It's a safe place to travel, and I'm speaking as a person who has travelled extensively in the US.

 

There is a huge disparity between rich and poor to be sure, but that's true of many countries.  There are no-go districts in many cities but that, too, is no different from many countries, and they're easy to avoid. 

 

But a person can live and die in the USA, never set foot outside US borders, and still have a wide range of fulfilling experiences. Why pay for a passport if you don't need to leave the country?

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JFK-1
16 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said:

The latest flurry of posts on this thread started with a mention about a high % Americans not having passports.  I understand why that's the case; they don't need them.

 

What type of holiday do you want?  Desert climate? Sub-tropical? Mountain climbing? Skiing? Great seafood?  Mexican food?  Whatever you want, you can drive there, usually within a day or two at most.  You won't need a passport, you won't need a visa, you don't need to worry about Montezuma's revenge.

 

And there is never a problem with language, never a problem with drinking the local water, and always good medical facilities nearby if needed. It's a safe place to travel, and I'm speaking as a person who has travelled extensively in the US.

 

There is a huge disparity between rich and poor to be sure, but that's true of many countries.  There are no-go districts in many cities but that, too, is no different from many countries, and they're easy to avoid. 

 

But a person can live and die in the USA, never set foot outside US borders, and still have a wide range of fulfilling experiences. Why pay for a passport if you don't need to leave the country?

 

Many of those I encountered in Scotland were there because in their view standing in a country with a history going back thousands of years to Roman times was something that could not be experienced in the US.

They were fascinated to be standing looking at a building centuries older than their country. Trumps wall doesn't quite compare to Hadrians.

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Maple Leaf
2 hours ago, JFK-1 said:

 

Many of those I encountered in Scotland were there because in their view standing in a country with a history going back thousands of years to Roman times was something that could not be experienced in the US.

They were fascinated to be standing looking at a building centuries older than their country. Trumps wall doesn't quite compare to Hadrians.

 

Fair enough.  But, based on my experience, most Americans care less about history than they do about their favourite baseball/football/basketball team.

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Smithee
1 hour ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

Fair enough.  But, based on my experience, most Americans care less about history than they do about their favourite baseball/football/basketball team.

 

Is there a country where that isn't true?

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ri Alban
6 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Is there a country where that isn't true?

I wish we'd care more. 

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ri Alban
10 hours ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

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Smithee
1 minute ago, ri Alban said:

I wish we'd care more. 

Yet here we are spending our time on our team's forum and not learning history.

Seems like a normal state of affairs rather than something particularly American if you ask me.

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ri Alban
2 minutes ago, Smithee said:

Yet here we are spending our time on our team's forum and not learning history.

Seems like a normal state of affairs rather than something particularly American if you ask me.

Agree, wholeheartedly. Maybe it's time to change what we teach. Good and bad. 

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ri Alban
10 hours ago, luckydug said:

You don't half talk codswallop 😂😂😂

If they are that great why did they vote the Bam in to office in the first place. 

Anyway Scotland's the greatest country in the world. 😏

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6 hours ago, Maple Leaf said:

The latest flurry of posts on this thread started with a mention about a high % Americans not having passports.  I understand why that's the case; they don't need them.

 

What type of holiday do you want?  Desert climate? Sub-tropical? Mountain climbing? Skiing? Great seafood?  Mexican food?  Whatever you want, you can drive there, usually within a day or two at most.  You won't need a passport, you won't need a visa, you don't need to worry about Montezuma's revenge.

 

And there is never a problem with language, never a problem with drinking the local water, and always good medical facilities nearby if needed. It's a safe place to travel, and I'm speaking as a person who has travelled extensively in the US.

 

There is a huge disparity between rich and poor to be sure, but that's true of many countries.  There are no-go districts in many cities but that, too, is no different from many countries, and they're easy to avoid. 

 

But a person can live and die in the USA, never set foot outside US borders, and still have a wide range of fulfilling experiences. Why pay for a passport if you don't need to leave the country?

Because you get what the passport bearers, and a large percentage of rest of the world do get: an appreciation of peoples and cultures other than your own. In my humble opinion, having lived here for 8 years, that is the fundamental problem with America. They have a singularly insulated way of thinking that there is 'America' and nothing else. For the most part the average US citizen has no idea or care what goes on outside their borders. There is a cruel joke I've learned, "War - God's way of teaching Americans geography.".

It was said in WW1 and for a large part of WW2 that the US lived in 'splendid isolation'. In a modern world that is no longer the case, and I believe the chickens are now coming home to roost. 

 

Other than than ML, I agree with you. There is nothing you can see or do anywhere else in the world that you cannot do in the USA. Geographically it is a magnificent place. 

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The Real Maroonblood
59 minutes ago, trotter said:

Because you get what the passport bearers, and a large percentage of rest of the world do get: an appreciation of peoples and cultures other than your own. In my humble opinion, having lived here for 8 years, that is the fundamental problem with America. They have a singularly insulated way of thinking that there is 'America' and nothing else. For the most part the average US citizen has no idea or care what goes on outside their borders. There is a cruel joke I've learned, "War - God's way of teaching Americans geography.".

It was said in WW1 and for a large part of WW2 that the US lived in 'splendid isolation'. In a modern world that is no longer the case, and I believe the chickens are now coming home to roost. 

 

Other than than ML, I agree with you. There is nothing you can see or do anywhere else in the world that you cannot do in the USA. Geographically it is a magnificent place. 

My mate spent a few tears in Texas in the Diplomatic Section and he said exactly what you’re saying about them.

A basket case country.

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Jambo-Jimbo
11 hours ago, JFK-1 said:

 

Many of those I encountered in Scotland were there because in their view standing in a country with a history going back thousands of years to Roman times was something that could not be experienced in the US.

They were fascinated to be standing looking at a building centuries older than their country. Trumps wall doesn't quite compare to Hadrians.

 

Got talking to a guy from Miami couple of years ago, we were standing outside Canongate Kirk, just some random guy that was standing next to me, anyway he said that he was amazed at the history all around us, and when he found out that many of my family had lived in many of the houses up and down the Royal Mile he was in complete awe.

 

He said that for most Americans they can't do that, they can't stand outside a building which is hundreds of years old and say that they had ancestors who lived there, not in America they can't, they'd have to visit the UK or Europe to have any chance of doing that.

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Sharpie

Things must have changed quite a bit in Edinburgh, in my days working say the Lawnmarket, or Tron beats you would have thought because of the accents and clothing, that the United States had taken over Edinburgh. The streets were crowded with atypical loud garish Americans all with questions about the area, now having used many U.S. airports whilst in transit and having to change flights there, it is surprising to read that such a majority do not travel. Everywhere I have been and I have been around, there were many Americans on the same trips or venues.

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Mysterion
6 hours ago, trotter said:

Because you get what the passport bearers, and a large percentage of rest of the world do get: an appreciation of peoples and cultures other than your own. In my humble opinion, having lived here for 8 years, that is the fundamental problem with America. They have a singularly insulated way of thinking that there is 'America' and nothing else. For the most part the average US citizen has no idea or care what goes on outside their borders.

 

This sums up some of the ignorance quite well. I remember being on holiday in Florida and my parents were laughing about the Americans who had engaged them in conversation earlier in the day. They had asked them "what language we speak in Scotland" :rofl: 

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JFK-1
14 hours ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

Fair enough.  But, based on my experience, most Americans care less about history than they do about their favourite baseball/football/basketball team.

 

No doubt true in general. But obviously the ones I was encountering did indeed have an interest in history which is why they were in Scotland. I remember as a child seeing Americans in old local cemeteries which my childish mind thought bizarre.

A holiday to me was hitting the beach and the fairgrounds. These weirdos were in a cemetery. Of course I get it now that they were searching for ancestors. While some had no ancestors there but were simply fascinated by churches and graves centuries old.

There was and still is old church in the town which I myself as a child noticed had graves which contained multiple members of entire families with date of death all around the same time. That puzzled me till a minister who saw me examining the stones told me a plague had taken them.

He also said there were no actual bodies in such graves. Plague victims were burned but still had a stone erected in the churchyard..

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JFK-1
10 hours ago, trotter said:

They have a singularly insulated way of thinking that there is 'America' and nothing else. For the most part the average US citizen has no idea or care what goes on outside their borders.

 

Possibly one answer to something that was puzzling me. There's a guy who insisted covid was a hoax devised by the Democrats to effect Trumps chances in the election.

I thought exactly how stupid are you? You think the entire world is in in the hoax closing down their countries damaging their own economies all to take part in a hoax for the Democrats in the US? Are the news reports of the entire world closing down a hoax too?

Perhaps he's so far gone nothing outside the US registers?

This is the guy. He doesn't think it's a hoax now. It had to kill some of his family before it sunk in. They died because he organised a get together to effectively say I'm not falling for your  hoax. Pure genius.

Tony Green thought COVID was a hoax, until family died
 

 

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JFK-1

Is Trump's Base As Durable As Once Believed?

 

The New York Times' Mark Leibovich joins Morning Joe to discuss if Trump supporters care or not he has called them 'disgusting.'

 

 

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DaveyT

I was in a pub in New York and a woman asked me where I was from. I said Scotland. She said: Is that near London ?

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redjambo
3 minutes ago, DaveyT said:

I was in a pub in New York and a woman asked me where I was from. I said Scotland. She said: Is that near London ?

 

In their scale of things, it is. ;)

 

A different continent, but I once met a friend in the Australian outback for a meal. He worked on an Aboriginal settlement and had to drive 4 hours to get to where I was staying, have the meal, and then drive 4 hours home. Made me appreciate the different approaches they have to distance and time out there.

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JFK-1
29 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

In their scale of things, it is. ;)

 

A different continent, but I once met a friend in the Australian outback for a meal. He worked on an Aboriginal settlement and had to drive 4 hours to get to where I was staying, have the meal, and then drive 4 hours home. Made me appreciate the different approaches they have to distance and time out there.

 

One of the things that first somewhat confused me when I came here. In Britain if we talk about going somewhere and someone says how far is that we reply in miles.

Here if you ask someone the same question the reply is always time not mileage.. If I ask them for a mileage they generally don't know.

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Maple Leaf
38 minutes ago, DaveyT said:

I was in a pub in New York and a woman asked me where I was from. I said Scotland. She said: Is that near London ?

 

I was visiting family in Detroit, which is right on the border about 250 miles from Toronto.  Their next door neighbour asked me where in Canada I was from, and I said "Toronto".

 

She replied, "Is Toronto a state or a town?"

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Maple Leaf
3 minutes ago, JFK-1 said:

 

One of the things that first somewhat confused me when I came here. In Britain if we talk about going somewhere and someone says how far is that we reply in miles.

Here if you ask someone the same question the reply is always time not mileage.. If I ask them for a mileage they generally don't know.

 

Same in Canada.  When I think about it, the time it takes to get somewhere is more relevant than the distance.

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Normthebarman
1 hour ago, JFK-1 said:

 

One of the things that first somewhat confused me when I came here. In Britain if we talk about going somewhere and someone says how far is that we reply in miles.

Here if you ask someone the same question the reply is always time not mileage.. If I ask them for a mileage they generally don't know.

I'll be honest, I always measure distance in time. 

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JFK-1
20 minutes ago, Normthebarman said:

I'll be honest, I always measure distance in time. 

 

There are some things you just never get used to. Despite being raised on metric measurements from around the age of 10 or so when they replaced our primary school rulers with ones 30 cm long rather than 12 inches, I still don't know my height in metres and would always refer to it in feet and inches.

I never speak of my weight in kilograms, I never say or think in kilometres rather than miles. I never got used to the outside temperature being in centigrade rather than fahrenheit.

When making small measurements on the other hand I will typically turn to millimetres rather than inches.

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Justin Z
22 hours ago, JFK-1 said:

 

On my part it's not so much sarcasm as total exasperation. They have politicians who may actually even include Biden who may indeed give them say British style 'socialism' if he could. But the way I see it he can't. He couldn't even say the word without being attacked and perhaps throwing the election.

 

You know as well as I do the reaction if the word is even mentioned. Hell Trump is using that very word, socialism, as a threat to the population of what will happen to them if they elect Biden.

You must know better than I do what's wrong with these people. I don't understand it. Trump is threatening them with scare stories of guaranteed health care? And even more horrors, you might be forced to take weeks of paid holiday per year? And they don't want that?

I don't get it. 

 

I've been thinking about this post a lot, even used it in a comment thread with the selfsame people you refer to.

 

Ultimately it boils down to this meme, which describes the result of our general national susceptibility to propaganda.

 

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JFK-1
52 minutes ago, Justin Z said:

 

I've been thinking about this post a lot, even used it in a comment thread with the selfsame people you refer to.

 

Ultimately it boils down to this meme, which describes the result of our general national susceptibility to propaganda.

 

Image

 

The American political plane in that condition will crash. Is crashing.

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JFK-1

Watching Trump live which I rarely do. Think I checked in this time just to see if might collapse gasping for breath. That hasn't happened so far but what is happening is he's struggling to maintain a thread while going all out on blatant outright lies.

And appears to be talking unusually quickly. Speculation that he's hyped up on drugs or trying to rush it because he feels like shit.

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I'm now convinced he's high as a kite. Talking about being immune to covid, claims they have a cure, says he will get into the crowd and kiss everybody. Women and men. Appears to be speeding up even more.

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Pagey

So the Donald was planning to pretend he was ill and then instead of taking off his mask on the balcony, was going to rip open his shirt to reveal a Superman shirt. He's off his ***g head!!

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JFK-1

He said that in a few months the wall be finished and Mexico will pay for it. 🤣

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Justin Z
4 minutes ago, JFK-1 said:

He said that in a few months the wall be finished and Mexico will pay for it. 🤣

 

:lol:

 

Appeals court blocks further construction on Trump border wall

October 10, 2020

 

The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals on Friday ruled that President Trump’s use of emergency powers to allocate millions of dollars in funding for the construction of a southern border wall was illegal, the latest blow to the Trump administration’s effort to limit immigration.

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JFK-1

Man I wish I could vote for this guy. There's going to be a cure for covid, great healthcare and great jobs for everybody. And the greatest schools ever. It's going to be a shrangrila.

I'm joining the seals. "4 more years" 

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JFK-1

Okay I got over my moment of madness. He said he has made America proud again. I know that's not true and I remembered he's a pathological liar. Oh well. Back to reality.

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A Boy Named Crow
1 hour ago, JFK-1 said:

 

There are some things you just never get used to. Despite being raised on metric measurements from around the age of 10 or so when they replaced our primary school rulers with ones 30 cm long rather than 12 inches, I still don't know my height in metres and would always refer to it in feet and inches.

I never speak of my weight in kilograms, I never say or think in kilometres rather than miles. I never got used to the outside temperature being in centigrade rather than fahrenheit.

When making small measurements on the other hand I will typically turn to millimetres rather than inches.

Ooft, sair yin!

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JFK-1
23 minutes ago, A Boy Named Crow said:

Ooft, sair yin!

 

The metric system is definitely far superior when it comes to fine measurements in say engineering or even carpentry.  But I will stick with my feet and inches for my height.

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A Boy Named Crow
1 minute ago, JFK-1 said:

 

The metric system is definitely far superior when it comes to fine measurements in say engineering or even carpentry.  But I will stick with my feet and inches for my height.

Ha, I couldn't track down the Kenneth Williams face, all good!

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ri Alban

Must be like throwing a sausage up a close. My condolences. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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A Boy Named Crow
40 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Must be like throwing a sausage up a close. My condolences. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Och it wasn't trolling...

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ri Alban
58 minutes ago, A Boy Named Crow said:

Och it wasn't trolling...

:D

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Normthebarman
12 hours ago, JFK-1 said:

 

There are some things you just never get used to. Despite being raised on metric measurements from around the age of 10 or so when they replaced our primary school rulers with ones 30 cm long rather than 12 inches, I still don't know my height in metres and would always refer to it in feet and inches.

I never speak of my weight in kilograms, I never say or think in kilometres rather than miles. I never got used to the outside temperature being in centigrade rather than fahrenheit.

When making small measurements on the other hand I will typically turn to millimetres rather than inches.

Long distances I'll go with miles (unless someone is travelling there, then I use time) . Height of people in foot and inches. Weight of people in stones. 

 

However, I have always and will continue to use centigrade for temperature (not modern enough to go with the name celsius yet), centimetres for small measuring, grammes for weighing other stuff. 

 

 

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Normthebarman
11 hours ago, Justin Z said:

 

I've been thinking about this post a lot, even used it in a comment thread with the selfsame people you refer to.

 

Ultimately it boils down to this meme, which describes the result of our general national susceptibility to propaganda.

 

Image

Anywhere else in the world would look at that plane and think "That's clearly going to crash and burn". 

 

In the colonies? They act like that's the best plane in the world and all other planes wish they were as good as their one. 

 

How the **** can a country so large have so many people unable to see what a good plane should look like? 

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Sharpie
4 hours ago, Normthebarman said:

Anywhere else in the world would look at that plane and think "That's clearly going to crash and burn". 

 

In the colonies? They act like that's the best plane in the world and all other planes wish they were as good as their one. 

 

How the **** can a country so large have so many people unable to see what a good plane should look like? 

 In life so often we see what we want to see, with Trump in my view a lot of his "followers" see in him an opportunity to realise their dream of a totally racist society, a totally controlled public, and a rule that has removed all the rights freedoms and policies that we have come to appreciate and enjoy. The funny thing is that if they ever get their way, the first people that will be removed are the very same Donald Trump and his political allowers. 

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Normthebarman
1 minute ago, Sharpie said:

 In life so often we see what we want to see, with Trump in my view a lot of his "followers" see in him an opportunity to realise their dream of a totally racist society, a totally controlled public, and a rule that has removed all the rights freedoms and policies that we have come to appreciate and enjoy. The funny thing is that if they ever get their way, the first people that will be removed are the very same Donald Trump and his political allowers. 

But even the majority of Democrats look at that picture and think "Yup, that's a damn fine plane." 

 

It's mental. 

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EH11_2NL
5 hours ago, Normthebarman said:

Long distances I'll go with miles (unless someone is travelling there, then I use time) . Height of people in foot and inches. Weight of people in stones

 

However, I have always and will continue to use centigrade for temperature (not modern enough to go with the name celsius yet), centimetres for small measuring, grammes for weighing other stuff. 

 

 

I was very surprised that here in Cayman, they don't actually know what stones are. They only ever use pounds. Even my American neighbour didn't know there are 14 pounds to the stone!

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Preston Jambo
17 hours ago, Justin Z said:

 

I've been thinking about this post a lot, even used it in a comment thread with the selfsame people you refer to.

 

Ultimately it boils down to this meme, which describes the result of our general national susceptibility to propaganda.

 

Image

Gore Vidal summed it up quite well a few years back (pre Trump):

 

“There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party … and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat. Republicans are a bit stupider, more rigid, more doctrinaire in their laissez-faire capitalism than the Democrats, who are cuter, prettier, a bit more corrupt — until recently … and more willing than the Republicans to make small adjustments when the poor, the black, the anti-imperialists get out of hand. But, essentially, there is no difference between the two parties.”
 Gore Vidal

 

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