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John Gentleman
4 hours ago, Maple Leaf said:

Is anyone wondering why Trump is continuing to squeal about imaginary election fraud? 

 

I'll give you 170 million reasons.  That's what he's raised, in dollars, to help him fight the "fraud".

 

His cult have given him $170 million, and counting, to help him continue with his political career of disruption. 

 

If the Lord had not wanted them to be sheared, he would not have made them sheep!

For the Election Defense [sic] Fund. Watch it morph into the Donald J Trump Defense Fund when he's booted out of the White House.

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5 minutes ago, John Gentleman said:

For the Election Defense [sic] Fund. Watch it morph into the Donald J Trump Defense Fund when he's booted out of the White House.

IIRC any donations under 8000 USD can be used for personal expenses 

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5 hours ago, Maple Leaf said:

Is anyone wondering why Trump is continuing to squeal about imaginary election fraud? 

 

I'll give you 170 million reasons.  That's what he's raised, in dollars, to help him fight the "fraud".

 

His cult have given him $170 million, and counting, to help him continue with his political career of disruption. 

 

If the Lord had not wanted them to be sheared, he would not have made them sheep!

Shock - Americans donate $170m to a millionaire  🤣

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9 hours ago, Maple Leaf said:

Is anyone wondering why Trump is continuing to squeal about imaginary election fraud? 

 

I'll give you 170 million reasons.  That's what he's raised, in dollars, to help him fight the "fraud".

 

His cult have given him $170 million, and counting, to help him continue with his political career of disruption. 

 

If the Lord had not wanted them to be sheared, he would not have made them sheep!

 

The problem is by pretending there was widespread voter fraud in order to rinse the gullible one last time, and to salve his ego, he is undermining democracy and giving a green light to the crazies.

Here's an impassioned plea for it to stop. The best piece of oratory I've heard during this election.

 

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Just now, fancy a brew said:

 

The problem is by pretending there was widespread voter fraud in order to rinse the gullible one last time, and to salve his ego, he is undermining democracy and giving a green light to the crazies.

Here's an impassioned plea for it to stop. The best piece of oratory I've heard during this election.

 

 

I saw this earlier today. 

You can almost feel the anger and upset he's feeling.

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The Real Maroonblood
53 minutes ago, PortyJambo said:

Michael Flynn, who Trump pardoned last week, now calls for him to declare martial law and suspend the constitution...

 

 

:rofl:

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1 hour ago, Justin Z said:

People actually on the left looking at Biden's cabinet like

 

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Hitler was "controversial"?????  :facepalm:

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15 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

Hitler was "controversial"?????  :facepalm:

 

“Certainly”!  😁 😁 😁 😁 😁💀

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Many fine people on both sides, or so I heard.

 

Well one SS commander did get the USA to the moon in 1969 but we don't talk about his past..........

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When will the Toddler-in-chief get the message. There was no widespread voter fraud.  Still bleating on about the results, including today. (I had the displeasure of seeing the video appear on youtube because the media won’t cover it).  Still bleating on about the same things for his flock.  Anyway I hope he is not around to run in 2024. 
 

 

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21 minutes ago, CavySlaveJambo said:

When will the Toddler-in-chief get the message. There was no widespread voter fraud.  Still bleating on about the results, including today. (I had the displeasure of seeing the video appear on youtube because the media won’t cover it).  Still bleating on about the same things for his flock.  Anyway I hope he is not around to run in 2024. 
 

 

Oh, he'll be bleating about this for the next four years.

Or until he's banged up.

 

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Incredible to realise that 1 full month after the election that votes are still being counted. Biden has now passed 81m and his lead over Trump close to 7m

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I P Knightley
3 hours ago, fancy a brew said:

:wow:

 

 

 

Things are not going your way when you have Batshit Giuliani leaning over, advising you to pipe down. (Unless he was absent-mindedly reaching out for a handful of boob.

 

The eyebrow flick at 1:24 when she throws out her stinger, "what did you guys do sump'n crazy to it?". Do we know who she is and why she's being given the time of day?

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1 hour ago, Pans Jambo said:

Her face of disgust :lol:

If it weren't for that, I would have guessed that the fart had been added to the audio.

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1 hour ago, I P Knightley said:

Things are not going your way when you have Batshit Giuliani leaning over, advising you to pipe down. (Unless he was absent-mindedly reaching out for a handful of boob.

 

The eyebrow flick at 1:24 when she throws out her stinger, "what did you guys do sump'n crazy to it?". Do we know who she is and why she's being given the time of day?

 

See below, although she doesn't seem to be entirely sure herself.

 

 

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6 hours ago, fancy a brew said:

:wow:

 

 

 

She looks like one of those girls who is absolutely wild in the sack, but will spend the next day crying and refusing to leave. 

 

I'm in. 

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33 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

 

 

 

Yeh, seen that earlier, Trump really does attract some of societies thickest racists, but then again maybe that's why he's popular with a certain demographic of Americans, who are more than happy to proclaim that Donald John Trump is just like us.

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On 02/12/2020 at 10:46, Justin Z said:

People actually on the left looking at Biden's cabinet like

 

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I’m not a fan of Neera Tanden but I’m pretty sure that tweet is fake. I know she deleted a lot of (mainly anti-Republican) tweets so may be impossible to prove either way but it just wouldn’t make sense, and everyone who is tweeting it is using an identical screenshot, apparently from the last couple of days.

 

Edit: just found this:

https://www.truthorfiction.com/neera-tanden-didnt-tweet-hitler-was-certainly-controversial-but-no-one-gives-him-proper-credit-for-fighting-to-the-death-against-communism/
 


Anyway, what would make my head explode is if Rahm Emanuel gets a job in the administration. Hopefully the trial balloon on that has been deflated.

 

 

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12 hours ago, RobboM said:

Incredible to realise that 1 full month after the election that votes are still being counted. Biden has now passed 81m and his lead over Trump close to 7m

Fantastic turnout which is one good point apart from Trump losing obviously. 

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11 hours ago, Kalamazoo Jambo said:


I’m not a fan of Neera Tanden but I’m pretty sure that tweet is fake. I know she deleted a lot of (mainly anti-Republican) tweets so may be impossible to prove either way but it just wouldn’t make sense, and everyone who is tweeting it is using an identical screenshot, apparently from the last couple of days.

 

Edit: just found this:

https://www.truthorfiction.com/neera-tanden-didnt-tweet-hitler-was-certainly-controversial-but-no-one-gives-him-proper-credit-for-fighting-to-the-death-against-communism/
 


Anyway, what would make my head explode is if Rahm Emanuel gets a job in the administration. Hopefully the trial balloon on that has been deflated.

 

Thanks for checking me on that! I appreciate it.

 

To be fair, that didn't even really go after her credibility politically, which is less than zero. She is a union buster, a bully, has massive ties to Wall Street, and physically assaulted Bernie Sanders' eventual 2020 campaign manager. She reminds me so much of Priti Patel it makes me ill.

 

Rahm Emanuel would of course, also be two massive fingers rammed up progressives, but up American people from all walks of life in general, too.

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2 minutes ago, RobboM said:


In court, however, Trump's lawyers are NOT claiming fraud

https://time.com/5914377/donald-trump-no-evidence-fraud/

 

Indeed, which is telling. The thing is you can step up to a podium and tell the media and public at large pretty much anything you want to. As Trump does and as Alex Jones does daily.

But these lawyers cannot step into a court environment and spout utter pish without facing potential legal consequences. And they're not going to do that.

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Fox News propagandist Sean Hannity suggests that Donald Trump should pardon not just his children, but also himself.

Sean Hannity Pushing Trump to Pardon HIMSELF

 

 

 

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Big Trump rally about to start in Georgia, looks like a good crowd, shoulder to shoulder, few masks, no distancing, thousands dying and this mentally challenged loser, who was supposed to take care of this pandemic is encouraging this foolishness in his desperate attempts to lie, threaten, falsify his way back into the Presidency, its easy to be critical of Americans, but I just feel so sorry for the genuine people who believe in their Country and its system to be exposed now to this mentally disturbed despot who wants to as he has done all his life lie cheat and defraud to get his own way, and as he has done lose, and have to lie cheat and defraud to recover. A curse on those enablers who encourage him in his wantonness.

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17 hours ago, JFK-1 said:

Fox News propagandist Sean Hannity suggests that Donald Trump should pardon not just his children, but also himself.

Sean Hannity Pushing Trump to Pardon HIMSELF

 

 

 

Trump doesn't need to pardon himself.  What he needs to do is pardon everyone around him.  Why?  Because the only way any Federal authority will get useful corroborated evidence against him is by getting one or more of the key people around him to volunteer the evidence.  And the best (probably only) way to do that is as part of an immunity or plea-bargaining deal that saves them from a nasty conviction and sentence.  But if all the relevant key people already have immunity from prosecution, the threat of conviction and sentencing vanishes and it's game over.

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1 hour ago, Ulysses said:

 

Trump doesn't need to pardon himself.  What he needs to do is pardon everyone around him.  Why?  Because the only way any Federal authority will get useful corroborated evidence against him is by getting one or more of the key people around him to volunteer the evidence.  And the best (probably only) way to do that is as part of an immunity or plea-bargaining deal that saves them from a nasty conviction and sentence.  But if all the relevant key people already have immunity from prosecution, the threat of conviction and sentencing vanishes and it's game over.

Pardon them for what? Would they not have to have convictions to pardon. And even if they didn't, would that not be admitting crimes and exposing his whole gang for criminality and treason. 

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1 hour ago, Ulysses said:

 

Trump doesn't need to pardon himself.  What he needs to do is pardon everyone around him.  Why?  Because the only way any Federal authority will get useful corroborated evidence against him is by getting one or more of the key people around him to volunteer the evidence.  And the best (probably only) way to do that is as part of an immunity or plea-bargaining deal that saves them from a nasty conviction and sentence.  But if all the relevant key people already have immunity from prosecution, the threat of conviction and sentencing vanishes and it's game over.

I'm sure I've read that part of receiving a pardon is waiving your fifth amendment rights, meaning they can be forced to talk or face jail if they don't.

I'm not 100% on this though, I never got round to looking into the premise or implications.

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4 hours ago, Smithee said:

I'm sure I've read that part of receiving a pardon is waiving your fifth amendment rights, meaning they can be forced to talk or face jail if they don't.

I'm not 100% on this though, I never got round to looking into the premise or implications.


Listeneing to a few US podcatss yesterday discussing this came up with this point on pardons. I've lifted this from the wiki entry on Nixon's pardon

"After Ford left the White House in 1977, he privately justified his pardon of Nixon by carrying in his wallet a portion of the text of Burdick v. United States, a 1915 U.S. Supreme Court decision which states that a pardon carries an imputation of guilt and that acceptance carries a confession of guilt"

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7 hours ago, Smithee said:

I'm sure I've read that part of receiving a pardon is waiving your fifth amendment rights, meaning they can be forced to talk or face jail if they don't.

I'm not 100% on this though, I never got round to looking into the premise or implications.

 

You got it. Basically, the purpose of the (relevant part of the) fifth amendment is to protect people from aiding their own prosecution, regardless of what stage that's at. “Nor shall [any person] be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself”. This is why you have “the right to remain silent” as popularised in American cop shows and why this right extends all the way to the courtroom when an answer to a question would incriminate you.

 

As you know, it was common practice on this island to torture criminals until they confessed, for many centuries. This sort of practice is probably what Madison had in mind when he wrote the fifth.

 

2 hours ago, RobboM said:

"After Ford left the White House in 1977, he privately justified his pardon of Nixon by carrying in his wallet a portion of the text of Burdick v. United States, a 1915 U.S. Supreme Court decision which states that a pardon carries an imputation of guilt and that acceptance carries a confession of guilt"


This is actually a different issue in a legal sense. What Smithee's brought up is a very practical thing from a legal standpoint: If you've been pardoned, there's no danger to you any longer—the fifth amendment has become completely irrelevant because there's no prosecuting you for your crime. Remaining silent to protect yourself from prosecution no longer makes any sense. Therefore you've lost the right to remain silent when compelled—by a tribunal, for example—to give an answer. The waiver isn't built into the pardon per se, but it makes sense, practically speaking.

 

The holding in Burdick is good law at present but it hasn't been challenged at the Supreme Court for over a century and given the current composition of the court, I could see it being overturned.

 

Edit: Also, I haven't ever looked at Burdick super closely, but the text here has the feel of “dicta”, which is the Court going on about something that isn't actually at issue, legally speaking, in the present case, and therefore carries less weight still.

 

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9 hours ago, Smithee said:

I'm sure I've read that part of receiving a pardon is waiving your fifth amendment rights, meaning they can be forced to talk or face jail if they don't.

I'm not 100% on this though, I never got round to looking into the premise or implications.

 That has been widely suggested in the case of Michael Flynn who was just Pardoned.

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I watched the Georgia rally. Again my mind goes way back to the  thirties.  A despotic would be leader  who lies, twists facts and even by criticising the State elected leaders tell the crowd of in this case Republican voters that they used their valuable votes to elect State leaders who are incompetent and stupid.  In my evaluation of his talk in the things he did not say directly he is not giving up his leadership of the United States and again mu surmise is he is prepared to use means and people who agree with him and will do what it takes for him to stay. I am not sure violence is out of the question, he is a dangerous man to the United States and the rest o the World. It is frightening to me that he still has days of power as President of a powerful State, America and the weapons they hold, if I was Irani I would be very nervous, as seems consistent in all despots there is a series of symptoms that allow the untrained to question their mental stability and  garner a fear of how they will utilise the equipment available to them.

 

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President Donald Trump says his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani has tested positive for Covid-19.

The president wrote in a tweet: "Get better soon Rudy, we will carry on!"

Mr Giuliani, who has been leading the Trump campaign's legal challenges to the 2020 election results, is the latest person in the president's inner circle to be infected.

The president and his team have been criticised for shunning safety guidance. Mr Trump was ill in October.

Nearly 14.6 million people have been infected with Covid-19 in the US, according to Johns Hopkins University, and 281,234 people have died - the highest figures of any country in the world.

On Sunday, Dr Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus task force co-ordinator, criticised the Trump administration for flouting guidelines and peddling "myths" about the pandemic.

"I hear community members parroting back those situations, parroting back that masks don't work, parroting back that we should work towards herd immunity," Dr Birx told NBC.

"This is the worst event that this country will face," she said.

Mr Giuliani, 76, has not commented publicly on his diagnosis.

It is not clear whether the former New York mayor is experiencing symptoms or when he caught the virus.

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7 hours ago, Sharpie said:

I watched the Georgia rally. Again my mind goes way back to the  thirties.  A despotic would be leader  who lies, twists facts and even by criticising the State elected leaders tell the crowd of in this case Republican voters that they used their valuable votes to elect State leaders who are incompetent and stupid.  In my evaluation of his talk in the things he did not say directly he is not giving up his leadership of the United States and again mu surmise is he is prepared to use means and people who agree with him and will do what it takes for him to stay. I am not sure violence is out of the question, he is a dangerous man to the United States and the rest o the World. It is frightening to me that he still has days of power as President of a powerful State, America and the weapons they hold, if I was Irani I would be very nervous, as seems consistent in all despots there is a series of symptoms that allow the untrained to question their mental stability and  garner a fear of how they will utilise the equipment available to them.

It's an incredible situation with 2 simultaneous shows going on.

On one hand, they're admitting again and again that there's no evidence or specific accusation of election fraud, meanwhile on the other hand Trump and his hard of thinking followers ignore all this and pretend there is.

It's utterly bizarre that so many buy his shit.

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7 minutes ago, CJGJ said:

President Donald Trump says his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani has tested positive for Covid-19.

The president wrote in a tweet: "Get better soon Rudy, we will carry on!"

Mr Giuliani, who has been leading the Trump campaign's legal challenges to the 2020 election results, is the latest person in the president's inner circle to be infected.

The president and his team have been criticised for shunning safety guidance. Mr Trump was ill in October.

Nearly 14.6 million people have been infected with Covid-19 in the US, according to Johns Hopkins University, and 281,234 people have died - the highest figures of any country in the world.

On Sunday, Dr Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus task force co-ordinator, criticised the Trump administration for flouting guidelines and peddling "myths" about the pandemic.

"I hear community members parroting back those situations, parroting back that masks don't work, parroting back that we should work towards herd immunity," Dr Birx told NBC.

"This is the worst event that this country will face," she said.

Mr Giuliani, 76, has not commented publicly on his diagnosis.

It is not clear whether the former New York mayor is experiencing symptoms or when he caught the virus.

Has he ever been seen wearing a mask? There's a decent chance he's passed it on to a fair few others including that drunk woman at the hearing the other day and that poor one that he farted over in the same hearing. 

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There's been an uncomfortable elephant in the room during this whole thing but its gone so far it has to be said - if you're still buying what Trump's selling you're one thick *******. 

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