chester copperpot Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Do they change their style to one of more aggressiveness when against better teams ?(which does happen to be fair) Is it the refs? (I know most will go for this) I hate the refs in this country as they imo are not cheats, just massively incompetent. Are the refs better or is it Celtic have to chase and tackle more in Europe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Famous 1874 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Yep the refs in Scotland are corrupt. Scott Brown for example would have got away with the tackle that he got booked for tonight, about 2/3 times before being yellow carded. Corrupt and incompetent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portable Badger Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Famous 1874 said: Yep the refs in Scotland are corrupt. Scott Brown for example would have got away with the tackle that he got booked for tonight, about 2/3 times before being yellow carded. Corrupt and incompetent. This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Neutral referees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturalOrder74 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 About time they get some injuries too, old firm get slaughtered in Europe when it’s a fair game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 They have to fight on a level playing field in Europe. Just not used to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King prawn Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 90% referees 10% quality of opposition perhaps means they see less of the ball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7628mm Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 21 minutes ago, Famous 1874 said: Yep the refs in Scotland are corrupt. Scott Brown for example would have got away with the tackle that he got booked for tonight, about 2/3 times before being yellow carded. Corrupt and incompetent. Watching that tackle again he goes in with both feet off the ground and scissor tackles the Valencia player missing the ball completely but getting both legs. That could easily have been red by the letter of the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovecraft Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 The referees aren't concerned about their careers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunks Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 They don't like it up them. Cannae handle it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftBack Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 It's the neutral refs. Be fascinating reading to see % of cards per game given at home against European ties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunks Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Just now, Lovecraft said: The referees aren't concerned about their windows. FTFY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 They’d get more here if the refs did their job without bias and corruption. What you see in Europe is a true reflection of the way rules should be applied without favour or prejudice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovecraft Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Just now, Dunks said: FTFY Hahaha And that. Plus worrying about their kids getting grief at school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftBack Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Pat Bonner is probably best to ask seeing as he has covered every celtic game home and away for what seems decades now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Robbo Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Tell them it evens itself out over the season ? Refs are a major factor and at that level aren’t they also meant to be among the best from each country. Also pretty sure most if not all games are on live TV so added pressure/scrutiny of any mistakes. Especially by UEFA. Most of the time SFA can see no evil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 34 minutes ago, chester copperpot said: Do they change their style to one of more aggressiveness when against better teams ?(which does happen to be fair) Is it the refs? (I know most will go for this) I hate the refs in this country as they imo are not cheats, just massively incompetent. Are the refs better or is it Celtic have to chase and tackle more in Europe? Definitely refs. Celtic players get it so easy in Scotland they struggle to change their ways in Europe and get cards or fouls given against them they should but don't get in Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovecraft Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Peter Lawell doesn't run OOFA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 9 minutes ago, 7628mm said: Watching that tackle again he goes in with both feet off the ground and scissor tackles the Valencia player missing the ball completely but getting both legs. That could easily have been red by the letter of the law. It was worse than Garuccio's. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Foreign refs probably not interested in getting signed shirts and autographs etc.. Just refereeing the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester copperpot Posted February 21, 2019 Author Share Posted February 21, 2019 Tell you what. Valencia are killing them down the left flank *edit as I type they score Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 42 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said: Neutral referees. End of thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 andy walker looks like he is chewing a wasp talking about the game and says that celtic would have had a chance but for the red card Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VALDOS Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Its to do with quality of opposition, the quick slick passing and all round clever attacking play of european teams definitely brings on more fouls. The refs are not actually all that great, its often in the Champions League and World Cup that you get the chance to see just how awful everyones officials are, or just how difficult the game is to manage now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 They play better teams. Better teams have faster, stronger more technical and intelligent players. Celtic aren't as good so foul more as the are generally slower, less technical, weaker and less intelligent. Shite teams tend to foul better teams more. Not rocket science. Scott brown gets more cards for the above reasons and that in Europe being celtic captain means he haw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, VALDOS said: Its to do with quality of opposition, the quick slick passing and all round clever attacking play of european teams definitely brings on more fouls. The refs are not actually all that great, its often in the Champions League and World Cup that you get the chance to see just how awful everyones officials are, or just how difficult the game is to manage now. I have thought on the last two world cups the refs have been good. Odd exception ofc, but in general don't book too often, let play flow and are generally quite good. Some of the tackles that were just fouls in the WC Suprised me, good to see not every tackle that was mis timed resulting in being booked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 41 minutes ago, LeftBack said: Pat Bonner is probably best to ask seeing as he has covered every celtic game home and away for what seems decades now Only person with a season ticket for home and away games. Covers the league, Champions league, europa league, lc and sc. Good value for money, his St is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester copperpot Posted February 21, 2019 Author Share Posted February 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, Olly Lee's left boot said: They play better teams. Better teams have faster, stronger more technical and intelligent players. Celtic aren't as good so foul more as the are generally slower, less technical, weaker and less intelligent. Shite teams tend to foul better teams more. Not rocket science. Scott brown gets more cards for the above reasons and that in Europe being celtic captain means he haw. So the question beggars? If he commits those fouls in Scotland is it fair? He still does it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miko Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 hour ago, King prawn said: 90% referees 10% quality of opposition perhaps means they see less of the ball I'd say it's the other way around. They are seeing less of the ball so will make more fouls. They will also be punished for things that they wouldn't at home. 90% better teams 10% non weegie refs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merrymac Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Simply that the refs in European ties are not from Glasgow and Lanarkshire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j1964m Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Refs in European computions didn't give a monkeys about the old firm so nothing gets sweeped under the table if it was the same every week no British refs only european ones we would prob see a different out look in a game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 hour ago, chester copperpot said: Do they change their style to one of more aggressiveness when against better teams ?(which does happen to be fair) Is it the refs? (I know most will go for this) I hate the refs in this country as they imo are not cheats, just massively incompetent. Are the refs better or is it Celtic have to chase and tackle more in Europe? Fairly obvious. They have less possession in Europe. It’s really difficult to give a foul when you have the ball. In the Scottish Premiership they have the ball most of the game. When you look at the top team in most European leagues the leader has the least cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Now that they have been papped out of Europe for the second time this season, it must be about time for them to create another story about moving to England to try and deflect how piss-poor they are in Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftBack Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 40 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: Fairly obvious. They have less possession in Europe. It’s really difficult to give a foul when you have the ball. In the Scottish Premiership they have the ball most of the game. When you look at the top team in most European leagues the leader has the least cards. Genuinely sound logic. But is there evidence other top teams get as much leeway from refs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIO Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 2 hours ago, i wish jj was my dad said: Neutral referees. This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 28 minutes ago, LeftBack said: Genuinely sound logic. But is there evidence other top teams get as much leeway from refs? Top ranking in FairPlay table: Bundesliga: Borrusia Monchengladbach Dortmund Munich EPL: Liverpool Chelsea Tottenham Man City. La Liga Barcelona Real Madrid Demonstrates that if you have the majority of possession you simply won’t give away as many fouls. Also demonstrates how daft it is to suggest any form of Old Firm bias as Rangers are towards the bottom of our Fair Play table. No other ‘top’ team in their league is in a comparable situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gowestjambo Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Something to really look forward to - Celtic being Refereed properly. Night and Day with what they get away with in Scotland. The amazement in their faces when booked for stuff our Referees ignore on a weekly basis. It is not incompetence - our Referees favour both rangers and celtic in 50/50 decisions. Unless all the other teams make a stand, nothing will change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, gowestjambo said: Something to really look forward to - Celtic being Refereed properly. Night and Day with what they get away with in Scotland. The amazement in their faces when booked for stuff our Referees ignore on a weekly basis. It is not incompetence - our Referees favour both rangers and celtic in 50/50 decisions. Unless all the other teams make a stand, nothing will change. To be fair I always find continental refs give a lot of fussy bookings to Scottish clubs in general. The game they are used to is a lot less physical. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkierobroy Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Boring Brendan moaning about the ref, I see. The idea, floated earlier this week, about using foreign refs, wouldn't survive long. If, as they are in UEFA comps, these foreign refs were not intiidated by the OF, the OF would soon see them off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambojai Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr Elwood P said: Top ranking in FairPlay table: Bundesliga: Borrusia Monchengladbach Dortmund Munich EPL: Liverpool Chelsea Tottenham Man City. La Liga Barcelona Real Madrid Demonstrates that if you have the majority of possession you simply won’t give away as many fouls. Also demonstrates how daft it is to suggest any form of Old Firm bias as Rangers are towards the bottom of our Fair Play table. No other ‘top’ team in their league is in a comparable situation. I can agree with that. I could be wrong here, but when we were in the championship season I am sure we were near the bottom of the fairplay and we were pumping teams for fun, guess who was at the top...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millerjames398 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Celtic are up against better, faster more technically gifted footballers in europe, and are left chasing shadows, their fouls are then judged by refs who dont give a shiny shite about them, and deal with them accordingly?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 hour ago, jambojai said: I can agree with that. I could be wrong here, but when we were in the championship season I am sure we were near the bottom of the fairplay and we were pumping teams for fun, guess who was at the top...... Aye but we were big and physical with giants like Nicholson,Walker, Gomis and Holt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 6 hours ago, chester copperpot said: Do they change their style to one of more aggressiveness when against better teams ?(which does happen to be fair) Is it the refs? (I know most will go for this) I hate the refs in this country as they imo are not cheats, just massively incompetent. Are the refs better or is it Celtic have to chase and tackle more in Europe? Celtic player yellow carded TWICE and off within 36 minutes should point you in the right direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 7 hours ago, i wish jj was my dad said: Neutral referees. Hard to see past this argument tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 I'd love to see the no of fouls to cards ratio for league and european matches. Genuinely dont see it being anything to do with better opponents and having less of the ball. Scott Brown must get 5 to 8 fouls before a booking in league matches, in europe he gets less than half that. The referees are swayed,deliberately on not by the west. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmiyaHearts Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) Genuine answer: They don't get so many cards in Europe compared to the league. Average 1.8 cards per Europa League game in last 12 matches. Last 12 league games - average 1.4 cards Edited February 22, 2019 by OmiyaHearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 10 hours ago, iainmac said: Celtic player yellow carded TWICE and off within 36 minutes should point you in the right direction. Those two offences wouldn't have been given as a foul against them never mind a card if it was a league game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 55 minutes ago, OmiyaHearts said: Genuine answer: They don't get so many cards in Europe compared to the league. Average 1.8 cards per Europa League game in last 12 matches. Last 12 league games - average 1.4 cards Pesky facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Simple. The refs are not bias or corrupt in their favour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 16 hours ago, Olly Lee's left boot said: They play better teams. Better teams have faster, stronger more technical and intelligent players. Celtic aren't as good so foul more as the are generally slower, less technical, weaker and less intelligent. Shite teams tend to foul better teams more. Not rocket science. Scott brown gets more cards for the above reasons and that in Europe being celtic captain means he haw. Has "Browny" not had over 200 yellow cards in domestic football throughout his career? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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