Maroon Sailor Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 West Brom's Dwight Gayle has been charged with successful deception of a match official Basically he cheated to win a penalty Ban players guilty of successful deception for at least 5 matches. Players must be really thick now with all the cameras around and it still doesn't deter them. It's become a natural thing for them to do which is the real concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandjambo3 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: West Brom's Dwight Gayle has been charged with successful deception of a match official Basically he cheated to win a penalty Ban players guilty of successful deception for at least 5 matches. Players must be really thick now with all the cameras around and it still doesn't deter them. It's become a natural thing for them to do which is the real concern. I fear it’s coached into them to a degree by a lot of managers, although some players clearly do take the piss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Think its too worth the risk. A star striker isn't going to risk diving if he misses 5 games as a result. Need to change the mentality where Defoe is praised for 'drawing the foul' like some sort of ****ing artist. He's a cheat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 What did he actually do? Guessing he's just dived? Either way, this sort of behaviour always will continue in football because it's widely accepted across the board. It's easy to point the finger in the name of sportsmanship, but there's not a manager, player or supporter who wouldn't be happy to take a decisive penalty with an act of simulation or the likes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Just now, Locky said: What did he actually do? Guessing he's just dived? Either way, this sort of behaviour always will continue in football because it's widely accepted across the board. It's easy to point the finger in the name of sportsmanship, but there's not a manager, player or supporter who wouldn't be happy to take a decisive penalty with an act of simulation or the likes. He did this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) So Oliver Burke v. Hibs? Or was it St. Johnstone. Edited February 13, 2019 by DETTY29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted February 13, 2019 Author Share Posted February 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, DETTY29 said: So Oliver Burke v. Hibs? Or was it St. Johnstone. Scott Sinclair and Jermaine Defoe v anybody every week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Cockade Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 it's a strange one I am all for kicking diving out of the game but if a referee sees it it's only a yellow card but if he misses it it's a 2 game ban does that not mean refs should be sending guys off for diving rather than booking them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, DETTY29 said: So Oliver Burke v. Hibs? Or was it St. Johnstone. 7 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: Scott Sinclair and Jermaine Defoe v anybody every week Some here. Ryan Christie too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 47 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: West Brom's Dwight Gayle has been charged with successful deception of a match official Basically he cheated to win a penalty Ban players guilty of successful deception for at least 5 matches. Players must be really thick now with all the cameras around and it still doesn't deter them. It's become a natural thing for them to do which is the real concern. And min 3 match ban for unsuccessful deception too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted February 13, 2019 Author Share Posted February 13, 2019 After watching those Celtic players and the lack of charges against them it's no wonder they keep doing it week in week out. No surprise Cardinal Callum pointing to the spot 5 seconds before the player goes down as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 It was a disgrace. Obviously it could be a huge decision in terms of promotion for West Brom. A minute after it Forest were then denied a clearer penalty when a WB defender had their hands all over a Forest striker as he was going into the box. Apparently Bristol City, who are also going for promotion, benefitted from a controversial last minute penalty also. I'm biased though as I like Norwich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, neilnunb said: It was a disgrace. Obviously it could be a huge decision in terms of promotion for West Brom. A minute after it Forest were then denied a clearer penalty when a WB defender had their hands all over a Forest striker as he was going into the box. Apparently Bristol City, who are also going for promotion, benefitted from a controversial last minute penalty also. I'm biased though as I like Norwich West Brom are heading for the play offs anyway. 2 points Forest could have done with though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 58 minutes ago, OTT said: Think its too worth the risk. A star striker isn't going to risk diving if he misses 5 games as a result. Need to change the mentality where Defoe is praised for 'drawing the foul' like some sort of ****ing artist. He's a cheat. Spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboT Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 I don't like diving in the game but people suggesting a 5 match ban is just ridiculous. Allan Mcgregor gets a 2 match ban for a tackle that could have broken a player's leg and potentially ended his career. Yet folk are suggesting that diving is much worse than that and should get a 5 match ban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 32 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Some here. Ryan Christie too. Unbelievable. Dembelies especially is a feking disgrace. That club make my blood boil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 minute ago, TurboT said: I don't like diving in the game but people suggesting a 5 match ban is just ridiculous. Allan Mcgregor gets a 2 match ban for a tackle that could have broken a player's leg and potentially ended his career. Yet folk are suggesting that diving is much worse than that and should get a 5 match ban. Maybe But there is something about blatant cheating. Referees are conned so it affects how games are refereed. It just leaves a bad feeling. Of course we could just accept it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, TurboT said: I don't like diving in the game but people suggesting a 5 match ban is just ridiculous. Allan Mcgregor gets a 2 match ban for a tackle that could have broken a player's leg and potentially ended his career. Yet folk are suggesting that diving is much worse than that and should get a 5 match ban. McGregors assault would merit a 5 game ban easily. He’s an animal and has previous. Therefore should easily be taken into account and given an extended ban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboT Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Maybe But there is something about blatant cheating. Referees are conned so it affects how games are refereed. It just leaves a bad feeling. Of course we could just accept it. I don't think we should just accept it. Make it a red card offence rather than yellow with an automatic 1 or 2 match ban. As it's just a yellow card offence, I think players see it like "taking one for the team" if they get caught. If they're going to get sent off for it, I reckon it would deter them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said: He did this Just threw me the way it was worded. When did that just stop being simulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted February 13, 2019 Author Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, TurboT said: I don't like diving in the game but people suggesting a 5 match ban is just ridiculous. Allan Mcgregor gets a 2 match ban for a tackle that could have broken a player's leg and potentially ended his career. Yet folk are suggesting that diving is much worse than that and should get a 5 match ban. It's not ridiculous. If you want to get rid of this cheating then you have to have longer bans. (Celtic would have to play half their youth players if the GFA had any balls) As for leg breaking tackles give them a 10 match ban Edited February 13, 2019 by Maroon Sailor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_hmfc Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said: Some here. Ryan Christie too. That video just goes on and on ? . Reply to this in a few hours, I think I have some more examples but I'd need to find them later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Famous 1874 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 How hasn’t Salah been banned retrospectively? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hood09 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) Introduce var and if it’s blatent red card and three game ban Edited February 13, 2019 by Hood09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted February 13, 2019 Author Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Famous 1874 said: How hasn’t Salah been banned retrospectively? Scouse Celtic so no chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tian447 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 4 hours ago, TurboT said: I don't think we should just accept it. Make it a red card offence rather than yellow with an automatic 1 or 2 match ban. As it's just a yellow card offence, I think players see it like "taking one for the team" if they get caught. If they're going to get sent off for it, I reckon it would deter them. I can see this just going against us. Hearts player goes down in the box, legitimately under a bad challenge, and gets sent off for diving... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal_ Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 In the Gayle case it looks like he gets a kick in the toe. Goes down strangely but still think he took a kick first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 14 hours ago, OTT said: Think its too worth the risk. A star striker isn't going to risk diving if he misses 5 games as a result. Need to change the mentality where Defoe is praised for 'drawing the foul' like some sort of ****ing artist. He's a cheat. The skills of our referees would have to greatly increase to avoid f..king this up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Cal_ said: In the Gayle case it looks like he gets a kick in the toe. Goes down strangely but still think he took a kick first. Look at it again - no contact at all. He anticipated it hence the jump in the air Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 As long as you get arseholes like Andy Walker claiming that 'if he felt contact he's entitled to go down' then you're always going to have debate. I'm in the 'if it's not enough force to cause the player to alter his intentions, then play on' camp. That of course assumes the referee makes the judgement call that the player ought to be intending to create the best goal-scoring opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Section Q said: The skills of our referees would have to greatly increase to avoid f..king this up. Some know exactly what they are doing in certain curcumstances involving certain clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 He might be getting a ban it seems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal_ Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Maroon Sailor said: Look at it again - no contact at all. He anticipated it hence the jump in the air Yep you're right. Better video on youtube. Playing devils advocate but if you pulled your foot back to avoid contact and all your weight was moving forward there is a chance that you would jump like that to get out the way of the oncoming defender. I would lean towards dive though now after re-watching it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmaroon Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 So, we give licence to the referees up here to send off non-Uglies players if there is only minimal contact as if minimal contact is not a foul. When somebody is going at speed and is "brushed" it can genuinely send them down. We've seen yellows given when it was a foul on a number of occasions. The real problem is the referee who sees the likes of a clear dive and does nothing. Paranoia hat on - could referees deliberately not book a player knowing that the Compliance Officer will ban them for diving for at least 2 games. How to weaken certain teams - Lesson 13 in the Match Officials SFA Cheating Book. PS Of course, it will be different in the 5/6 year old, "Old" Firm game! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 Gayle banned and misses matches against Villa and QPR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: Gayle banned and misses matches against Villa and QPR Good news. West Brom getting close to top and automatic promotion place. Sends a message too. Small step to fairer football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 What a surprise in the Celtic match. Less than a minute in and Forrest makes sure he gets inside the penalty area before throwing himself to the floor. What is it with this lot ? Are they programmed to look for penalties every match ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: What a surprise in the Celtic match. Less than a minute in and Forrest makes sure he gets inside the penalty area before throwing himself to the floor. What is it with this lot ? Are they programmed to look for penalties every match ? That compilation that is going around certainly suggests so. Much more diving since Rodgers came in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 "Back in the day", anyone trying that would be deposited into Row Z by an ugly centre back and the referee would just tell them to get on with it. There is no immediate deterrent unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 Ha ha ha Forrest at it again - soon as he manages to bundle his way in to the area down he goes It's laughable - well seen it's not Cardinal Collum as the ref Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 On 13/02/2019 at 18:20, The White Cockade said: it's a strange one I am all for kicking diving out of the game but if a referee sees it it's only a yellow card but if he misses it it's a 2 game ban does that not mean refs should be sending guys off for diving rather than booking them? Strange, indeed. The punishment should be consistently applied to the crime, regardless of whether or not the ref deemed it a dive at the time or not. Right now, it is worth the risk. One scenario sees you winning a penalty and maybe getting banned later, another simply sees you getting booked. Either way, neither is much of a disincentive if a game is hanging in the balance... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_hmfc Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 6 hours ago, Maroon Sailor said: Ha ha ha Forrest at it again - soon as he manages to bundle his way in to the area down he goes It's laughable - well seen it's not Cardinal Collum as the ref Video? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 On 13/02/2019 at 18:58, TurboT said: I don't like diving in the game but people suggesting a 5 match ban is just ridiculous. Allan Mcgregor gets a 2 match ban for a tackle that could have broken a player's leg and potentially ended his career. Yet folk are suggesting that diving is much worse than that and should get a 5 match ban. I tend to agree, it also seems ridiculous that a player would get a yellow for diving and getting busted but much worse for diving and not being caught at the time - the only real difference between the two is the competence of the referee and it doesn't make sense to increase a punishment because of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo, Goodbye Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Smithee said: I tend to agree, it also seems ridiculous that a player would get a yellow for diving and getting busted but much worse for diving and not being caught at the time - the only real difference between the two is the competence of the referee and it doesn't make sense to increase a punishment because of that. It makes sense if the player diving wins a penalty and his team pick up undeserved points. Maybe a more severe punishment is seen as a way to balance out that team's points over the immediate couple of games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 3 hours ago, Jambo, Goodbye said: It makes sense if the player diving wins a penalty and his team pick up undeserved points. Maybe a more severe punishment is seen as a way to balance out that team's points over the immediate couple of games? I do get your point, I just can't get past the concept of the severity of punishment being based on how hard the ref ****ed up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 On 14/02/2019 at 08:14, Cal_ said: In the Gayle case it looks like he gets a kick in the toe. Goes down strangely but still think he took a kick first. His toe? You'd have to hit my toe with something much larger than a Nottingham Forest defender to make me jump that high. Only goes to show how soft the game's become that any referee gives that as a foul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 On 14/02/2019 at 08:14, Cal_ said: In the Gayle case it looks like he gets a kick in the toe. Goes down strangely but still think he took a kick first. Watch it again mate, the second angle is pretty definitive - there was no contact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo, Goodbye Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 48 minutes ago, Smithee said: I do get your point, I just can't get past the concept of the severity of punishment being based on how hard the ref ****ed up It's a strange one right enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted February 15, 2019 Author Share Posted February 15, 2019 55 minutes ago, Smithee said: I do get your point, I just can't get past the concept of the severity of punishment being based on how hard the ref ****ed up The ref fecked up because he was deceived. Gayle stays on his feet as there is no contact then the ref doesn't award a penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: The ref fecked up because he was deceived. Gayle stays on his feet as there is no contact then the ref doesn't award a penalty. Thank you Captain Obvious! Seriously though, I get all that, but the crime is exactly the same whether the ref cottons on or not - diving is a yellow card offence. It just doesn't seem right to me to increase that because of what the ref did next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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