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Been trying to do some online research but no luck.

 

Done with doing 35 in a 30 zone on a main road. RAC advises 10% + 2 mph you can get away with.

 

Do i have any chance of fighting this or has anyone done this successfully before?

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If it's a camera then 31mph is enough to get you a ticket now. They changed the law in November I think and you are gonna get points and a fine. I know someone that got 3 points and a 2k fine. He said you need to go to court and you get either 3 or 6 points and I think it was either a 1200 or 2000 fine on top of the points. If you do 40mph in a 30 it's a instant ban. If it's a cop car that pulls you over they still have discretion on the 10%+2.

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1 hour ago, Mort said:

Been trying to do some online research but no luck.

 

Done with doing 35 in a 30 zone on a main road. RAC advises 10% + 2 mph you can get away with.

 

Do i have any chance of fighting this or has anyone done this successfully before?

The traffic cops have discretion. In this instance it appears they are not exercising it

They can absolutely take you to court for doing 31mph

you "can" get away with 10% +2,  or they can prosecute you.

A defence is not really an  option here unless you go asking for calibration and so on.

Take it was a patrol car  as opposed to a fixed camera?

 

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58 minutes ago, Herbert said:

If it's a camera then 31mph is enough to get you a ticket now. They changed the law in November I think and you are gonna get points and a fine. I know someone that got 3 points and a 2k fine. He said you need to go to court and you get either 3 or 6 points and I think it was either a 1200 or 2000 fine on top of the points. If you do 40mph in a 30 it's a instant ban. If it's a cop car that pulls you over they still have discretion on the 10%+2.

 

Not believing you can get done at 31mph, as no speedo is that accurate on a car. Your mate certainly never got a 2k fine for doing 31mph. Not believing 40mph in a 30mph zone is an instant ban either. Been past loads of cameras faster than that. 

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7 minutes ago, luckyBatistuta said:

 

Not believing you can get done at 31mph, as no speedo is that accurate on a car. Your mate certainly never got a 2k fine for doing 31mph. Not believing 40mph in a 30mph zone is an instant ban either. Been past loads of cameras faster than that. 

The table of fines is here. 150% of weekly wage for 40mph in a 30 zone. https://www.evo.co.uk/news/18773/uk-speeding-fines-2018-what-are-the-latest-penalties-for-drivers

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2 hours ago, Mort said:

Been trying to do some online research but no luck.

 

Done with doing 35 in a 30 zone on a main road. RAC advises 10% + 2 mph you can get away with.

 

Do i have any chance of fighting this or has anyone done this successfully before?

 

Could be worth your while asking if they have photographic evidence of the driver if anyone else regularly drives your car? We had a situation in 2017 where our car was caught doing 35 leaving a 30. I asked for evidence and received it in the post. It was totally inconclusive. Now as it was at least six weeks between the offence occuring and getting the letter in the post, I genuinely had no idea if I was driving or my mrs.

 

Despite the bullying tactics of the local police force we decided to fight it. When we arrived at court last July, we were told that our names were not on the court list for that day. We were directed to a booth where we could find out the reason. It turned out that the CPS had dismissed the case for reasons we were not told. Result!

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21 minutes ago, luckyBatistuta said:

 

Not believing you can get done at 31mph, as no speedo is that accurate on a car. Your mate certainly never got a 2k fine for doing 31mph. Not believing 40mph in a 30mph zone is an instant ban either. Been past loads of cameras faster than that. 

 

He was doing 39mph. Fire past one at 35mph if you don't believe me, I think they do it in bands 30-40mph is a fine and points 40+ is a ban and a fine. The law changed recently and it's a court summons, points and a fine. Are you not a taxi driver? I wouldn't speed at all if I needed a licence to pay the bills

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luckyBatistuta
21 minutes ago, Herbert said:

 

He was doing 39mph. Fire past one at 35mph if you don't believe me, I think they do it in bands 30-40mph is a fine and points 40+ is a ban and a fine. The law changed recently and it's a court summons, points and a fine. Are you not a taxi driver? I wouldn't speed at all if I needed a licence to pay the bills

 

Knew he was doing more than 31mph, had to be. I know those are correct, but you were saying you would be done at 31mph?

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43 minutes ago, IronJambo said:

The table of fines is here. 150% of weekly wage for 40mph in a 30 zone. https://www.evo.co.uk/news/18773/uk-speeding-fines-2018-what-are-the-latest-penalties-for-drivers

 

There will be no cameras set at 1mph over the road speed limit. It might say 21-, 31- etc, but no cop is going to pull you 1mph over the speed limit. If you did get the guy who would book his own grannie (one of my mates:laugh2:), if you took it to the PF, I’d bet it would get thrown out.

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19 minutes ago, luckyBatistuta said:

 

There will be no cameras set at 1mph over the road speed limit. It might say 21-, 31- etc, but no cop is going to pull you 1mph over the speed limit. If you did get the guy who would book his own grannie (one of my mates:laugh2:), if you took it to the PF, I’d bet it would get thrown out.

I was only posting a link to the fines table (not sure if it's different in Scotland but I can't find one). I agree with you re: 31mph.

I'd also doubt he got a £2k fine for doing 39mph as well given that it's a band A fine with a max of 75% weekly wage. 

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Just now, IronJambo said:

I was only posting a link to the fines table (not sure if it's different in Scotland but I can't find one). I agree with you re: 31mph.

I'd also doubt he got a £2k fine for doing 39mph as well given that it's a band A fine with a max of 75% weekly wage. 

 

I got stopped doing 40mph at the top of Old Dalkeith Road once at about 2am by two cops. I held my hands up, sucked it up and wasn’t booked, the lesson...don’t be a smart erse when you get pulled, especially when you are clearly in the wrong. You’re right bud, this guy has been doing way more than just one 39mph, if he got fined 2k

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3 hours ago, ri Alban said:

33 is the max. 10% is the margin for error.

 

No 30 is the max. 

 

There is leeway built into the Gatso type cameras which is usually 5 or 6 mph over the limit.(depending on the limit) 

 

The limit plus 10% plus 2mph, that is often quoted was ACPO guidelines. But is no longer valid, since ACPO doesn't exist anymore. But, most police forces/camera partnerships will still operate to that.

 

Actual police officers may let you away with higher speeds, or stop you for lower speeds, depending on the situation.

(higher/lower than the limit plus whatever nominal leeway)

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6 minutes ago, luckyBatistuta said:

 

I got stopped doing 40mph at the top of Old Dalkeith Road once at about 2am by two cops. I held my hands up, sucked it up and wasn’t booked, the lesson...don’t be a smart erse when you get pulled, especially when you are clearly in the wrong. You’re right bud, this guy has been doing way more than just one 39mph, if he got fined 2k

Yes, the good old "attitude" test will always come into play. They'll rightly do a mouthy driver for all they can. 

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2 hours ago, Herbert said:

If it's a camera then 31mph is enough to get you a ticket now. They changed the law in November I think and you are gonna get points and a fine. I know someone that got 3 points and a 2k fine. He said you need to go to court and you get either 3 or 6 points and I think it was either a 1200 or 2000 fine on top of the points. If you do 40mph in a 30 it's a instant ban. If it's a cop car that pulls you over they still have discretion on the 10%+2.

 

2k fine, no chance. 

 

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luckyBatistuta
Just now, IronJambo said:

Yes, the good old "attitude" test will always come into play. They'll rightly do a mouthy driver for all they can. 

 

Wife used to work at the traffic, the two worst that will get you a ticket...

 

You not got anything better to do?

 

Why aren’t you out catching some real criminals?

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luckyBatistuta
18 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

More info here. Are people claimi g this to be nonsense?

https://www.gov.uk/speeding-penalties

 

I’m only claiming that you aren’t getting done at 1mph over the speed limit and you aren’t getting a 2k fine for doing 35mph as an only offence, can’t speak for anyone else.

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2 hours ago, luckyBatistuta said:

 

Wife used to work at the traffic, the two worst that will get you a ticket...

 

You not got anything better to do?

 

Why aren’t you out catching some real criminals?

 

Not having a pop at you LB but the fact that this attitude actually exists boils my piss. A few years back a tenant of mine called me to say that the gas meter had been nicked. He had called 999 as gas was pouring out and we could have been looking at a catastrophe.

 

Fire service and Transco arrived within 2 minutes. No police. I called the police the instant I got the news and told them what had happened. I strongly urged them to get SOCOs down there straight away for dabs as rain was forecast. They turned up 9 days later! Christ we could have been looking at multiple fatalities but it takes them 9 days to turn up yet they have all the resources to persecute the perpetrators of victimless crimes.

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8 minutes ago, N Lincs Jambo said:

 

Not having a pop at you LB but the fact that this attitude actually exists boils my piss. A few years back a tenant of mine called me to say that the gas meter had been nicked. He had called 999 as gas was pouring out and we could have been looking at a catastrophe.

 

Fire service and Transco arrived within 2 minutes. No police. I called the police the instant I got the news and told them what had happened. I strongly urged them to get SOCOs down there straight away for dabs as rain was forecast. They turned up 9 days later! Christ we could have been looking at multiple fatalities but it takes them 9 days to turn up yet they have all the resources to persecute the perpetrators of victimless crimes.

 

I didn’t think you were :thumb: I’m not sticking up for them, just telling you what annoys most of them. I must admit to getting more and more rage with the cops these days though. Don’t know if it’s an age thing, or just that the standard of policing has dropped.

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14 minutes ago, N Lincs Jambo said:

 

Not having a pop at you LB but the fact that this attitude actually exists boils my piss. 

So when they stop someone that's in the wrong and get a mouthful of attitude they're supposed to just give them a friendly warning instead of a ticket? Don't talk nonsense, if you speak to someone like **** you should expect to be treated like a ****. In this respect, to the full letter of the law.

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5 minutes ago, IronJambo said:

So when they stop someone that's in the wrong and get a mouthful of attitude they're supposed to just give them a friendly warning instead of a ticket? Don't talk nonsense, if you speak to someone like **** you should expect to be treated like a ****. In this respect, to the full letter of the law.

 

Did you bother reading the rest of my post or did you stop at the bit you disagreed with?? Actually don’t bother with a reply, it’s kind of obvious 

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13 minutes ago, luckyBatistuta said:

 

I didn’t think you were :thumb: I’m not sticking up for them, just telling you what annoys most of them. I must admit to getting more and more rage with the cops these days though. Don’t know if it’s an age thing, or just that the standard of policing has dropped.

 

Same boat mate. As a tax-payer I don’t expect them to disregard the law but I would expect them to prioritise things which could have ended up with multiple fatalities just from someone chucking away a fag butt

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4 minutes ago, N Lincs Jambo said:

 

Same boat mate. As a tax-payer I don’t expect them to disregard the law but I would expect them to prioritise things which could have ended up with multiple fatalities just from someone chucking away a fag butt

 

Wouldn’t have fancied being anywhere near that building.

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11 minutes ago, N Lincs Jambo said:

 

Did you bother reading the rest of my post or did you stop at the bit you disagreed with?? Actually don’t bother with a reply, it’s kind of obvious 

I read the whole thing bud. Just because they're under resourced it doesn't mean we should be talking to the ones that are actually there like they're arseholes. The government are arseholes, not the emergency services. There's no excuse for giving them sarcy comments when you're in the wrong. It's stupid to expect not to pay for it if you do. Speeding isn't a victimless offence either.

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3 minutes ago, luckyBatistuta said:

 

Wouldn’t have fancied being anywhere near that building.

 

3 minutes ago, luckyBatistuta said:

 

Wouldn’t have fancied being anywhere near that building.

 

Very scary. Meter got nicked from front of house but gas not tapped off. My tenant was woken at 3am by someone tapping on his window saying he could smell gas. Very lucky the guy wasn’t smoking or the whole place would have gone up. Still scares the shit out of me thinking about it.

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1 minute ago, N Lincs Jambo said:

 

 

Very scary. Meter got nicked from front of house but gas not tapped off. My tenant was woken at 3am by someone tapping on his window saying he could smell gas. Very lucky the guy wasn’t smoking or the whole place would have gone up. Still scares the shit out of me thinking about it.

 

Why would someone steal the meter :wtf:

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1 minute ago, IronJambo said:

I read the whole thing bud. Just because they're under resourced it doesn't mean we should be talking to the ones that are actually there like they're arseholes. The government are arseholes, not the emergency services. There's no excuse for giving them sarcy comments when you're in the wrong. It's stupid to expect not to pay for it if you do. Speeding isn't a victimless offence either.

 

Ok I get you, but in fairness did I actually advocate that (ie giving them sarcy comments?)  I’m not daft, and I wouldn’t do it but bearing in mind what I have said about how little of a **** the cops gave about something which could have led to multiple deaths and it took them 9 whole days to get round to take dabs, do you get why I’m not wholly impressed?

 

They are after all our public servants paid for by our taxes, not our rulers.

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N Lincs Jambo
3 minutes ago, luckyBatistuta said:

 

Why would someone steal the meter :wtf:

 

Meters are currency LB. Your meter gets read say every 3 months. After your meter has been read you swap for your own meter then swap back a couple of weeks before next meter reading. You save hundreds of pounds a year 

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7 minutes ago, N Lincs Jambo said:

 

Meters are currency LB. Your meter gets read say every 3 months. After your meter has been read you swap for your own meter then swap back a couple of weeks before next meter reading. You save hundreds of pounds a year 

 

:wtf:  you’ll get jail time for something like that.

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Just now, luckyBatistuta said:

 

:wtf:  you’ll get jail time for something like that.

 

You certainly should. As I said at the start (probably hadn’t explained myself properly at that point), that’s what boiled my piss, the fact that the police will (seemingly) push their resources towards motorists who might be breaking the law, however marginally, but can’t be arsed going after real criminals.

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10 minutes ago, N Lincs Jambo said:

 

You certainly should. As I said at the start (probably hadn’t explained myself properly at that point), that’s what boiled my piss, the fact that the police will (seemingly) push their resources towards motorists who might be breaking the law, however marginally, but can’t be arsed going after real criminals.

 

Just don’t say it ;)

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1 minute ago, luckyBatistuta said:

 

Just don’t say it ;)

 

Lol no worries mate, I’ll leave that till I get to court ? 

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2 minutes ago, N Lincs Jambo said:

 

Ok I get you, but in fairness did I actually advocate that (ie giving them sarcy comments?)  I’m not daft, and I wouldn’t do it but bearing in mind what I have said about how little of a **** the cops gave about something which could have led to multiple deaths and it took them 9 whole days to get round to take dabs, do you get why I’m not wholly impressed?

 

They are after all our public servants paid for by our taxes, not our rulers.

I can get why that's irked you. Pragmatism tells me that it was a low priority as the situation was contained and any disaster was averted. If there were prints then they'd still be there 9 days later, rain or not.

 

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17 minutes ago, IronJambo said:

I can get why that's irked you. Pragmatism tells me that it was a low priority as the situation was contained and any disaster was averted. If there were prints then they'd still be there 9 days later, rain or not.

 

 

As I’m not clued up at all about whether prints would still be there rain or not I’ll take your point in the spirit you mentioned it.

 

You are absolutely right that’s why it irked me. I’m not even sure the police were even aware till I called them.

 

However I didn’t enter this thread looking to start an argument with fellow Hearts supporters (it’s why I seldom post tbh), so we both seem to appreciate where each other is coming from.

 

I’m cool with that IJ and respect that you have stuck to arguing points and not gone to abuse which happens so often on this forum. Respect!

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Going back to the original question..... I'd suggest you just take it on the chin.

 

If you're going to fight it, best route is probably finding yourself one of these specialised solicitors who will go looking for technicalities and try get you off on that basis. Used to be a good one that folk mentioned a lot but I cant for the life of me remember it.

 

I suspect the correct answer is just to take it on the chin though.

 

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Anyone who thinks speeding is fun or thinks its a laugh or any other pathetic reason should have good look themselves in the mirror.

Having worked for an Ambulance service for over 20 years and seen the havoc and destruction it causes should be enough to make anyone slow down and drive safely.The odd mph is unavoidable at times.

 

I await the morons who think im an idiot and tell me, "but im a good driver".

There is no argument!

 

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17 minutes ago, Sharky999 said:

Anyone who thinks speeding is fun or thinks its a laugh or any other pathetic reason should have good look themselves in the mirror.

Having worked for an Ambulance service for over 20 years and seen the havoc and destruction it causes should be enough to make anyone slow down and drive safely.The odd mph is unavoidable at times.

 

I await the morons who think im an idiot and tell me, "but im a good driver".

There is no argument!

 

 

Good knowledgeable post. 

 

What's your opinion on the 20mph speed limits in the city centre? I'm not convinced it was required or whether it's made any difference. 

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17 hours ago, Mort said:

Been trying to do some online research but no luck.

 

Done with doing 35 in a 30 zone on a main road. RAC advises 10% + 2 mph you can get away with.

 

Do i have any chance of fighting this or has anyone done this successfully before?

take the 100 pound fine and 3 points, you have been unlucky , doubt you would win a case.

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18 hours ago, Mort said:

Been trying to do some online research but no luck.

 

Done with doing 35 in a 30 zone on a main road. RAC advises 10% + 2 mph you can get away with.

 

Do i have any chance of fighting this or has anyone done this successfully before?

 

Suck it up.

 

I failed my last test for going 35 in a 30.

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2 hours ago, AlphonseCapone said:

 

Good knowledgeable post. 

 

What's your opinion on the 20mph speed limits in the city centre? I'm not convinced it was required or whether it's made any difference. 

 

Thank man.

 

Im not sure of the research behind it, but it must be evidence based from another country, they wouldn't implement it just for the sake of it. The evidence does show reduced mortality when pedestrians are struck by moving vehicles between 40>30mph so if you further reduce the limit in densely  populated areas then there must be a lesser risk to people, although you cant account for freak accidents.  I've not worked  in Edinburgh or surrounds for 7 years so it has had no impact on me.

In my opinion and i base this from when i worked in Edinburgh, if you drive at 20mph consistenty you will still get around just as quickly  if you were to try and drive at 30 mph due to the volume and stop start of all the traffic.

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3 hours ago, Sharky999 said:

Anyone who thinks speeding is fun or thinks its a laugh or any other pathetic reason should have good look themselves in the mirror.

Having worked for an Ambulance service for over 20 years and seen the havoc and destruction it causes should be enough to make anyone slow down and drive safely.The odd mph is unavoidable at times.

 

I await the morons who think im an idiot and tell me, "but im a good driver".

There is no argument!

 

 

 

Not really on topic, but you’d probably know my nightshift driver. He used to drive an ambulance, done it for many years, but gave it up. He just couldn’t take the mental and physical abuse he was getting anymore. He is a much happier person these days. Just can’t get my head around why people would attack the people that are actually trying to help them.

 

Back on the topic, I’m not a fan of the 20mph on main roads. I do think all residential side streets should definitely be 20mph zones and outside schools.

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7 minutes ago, luckyBatistuta said:

Back on the topic, I’m not a fan of the 20mph on main roads. I do think all residential side streets should definitely be 20mph zones and outside schools.

 

I agree with this, although if people could be trusted to drive to the road conditions (e.g. driving slowly down narrow residential streets with lots of parked cars where kids could step out at any moment), then there would be no real need for enforced 20 zones except outside of schools.

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17 minutes ago, luckyBatistuta said:

 

 

Not really on topic, but you’d probably know my nightshift driver. He used to drive an ambulance, done it for many years, but gave it up. He just couldn’t take the mental and physical abuse he was getting anymore. He is a much happier person these days. Just can’t get my head around why people would attack the people that are actually trying to help them.

 

Back on the topic, I’m not a fan of the 20mph on main roads. I do think all residential side streets should definitely be 20mph zones and outside schools.

Probably mate, worked in Edinburgh from 96 up till 2011 if i remember rightly. We had quite a few boys done nights on the blacks.

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2 minutes ago, Sharky999 said:

Probably mate, worked in Edinburgh from 96 up till 2011 if i remember rightly. We had quite a few boys done nights on the blacks.

 

His name is Paul, last name begins with a ‘B’ (Italian sounding) used to drive with a guy called Mike? 

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