Romulus Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Been trying to do some online research but no luck. Done with doing 35 in a 30 zone on a main road. RAC advises 10% + 2 mph you can get away with. Do i have any chance of fighting this or has anyone done this successfully before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 33 is the max. 10% is the margin for error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irufushi Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Disgusting speeds in a 30mph zone,pal. Hope they throw the book at you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbert. Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 If it's a camera then 31mph is enough to get you a ticket now. They changed the law in November I think and you are gonna get points and a fine. I know someone that got 3 points and a 2k fine. He said you need to go to court and you get either 3 or 6 points and I think it was either a 1200 or 2000 fine on top of the points. If you do 40mph in a 30 it's a instant ban. If it's a cop car that pulls you over they still have discretion on the 10%+2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Mort said: Been trying to do some online research but no luck. Done with doing 35 in a 30 zone on a main road. RAC advises 10% + 2 mph you can get away with. Do i have any chance of fighting this or has anyone done this successfully before? The traffic cops have discretion. In this instance it appears they are not exercising it They can absolutely take you to court for doing 31mph you "can" get away with 10% +2, or they can prosecute you. A defence is not really an option here unless you go asking for calibration and so on. Take it was a patrol car as opposed to a fixed camera? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo100 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 In Scotland it is usually 43 and above as no awareness course.As 30 is the speed limit not a leg to stand on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyBatistuta Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Herbert said: If it's a camera then 31mph is enough to get you a ticket now. They changed the law in November I think and you are gonna get points and a fine. I know someone that got 3 points and a 2k fine. He said you need to go to court and you get either 3 or 6 points and I think it was either a 1200 or 2000 fine on top of the points. If you do 40mph in a 30 it's a instant ban. If it's a cop car that pulls you over they still have discretion on the 10%+2. Not believing you can get done at 31mph, as no speedo is that accurate on a car. Your mate certainly never got a 2k fine for doing 31mph. Not believing 40mph in a 30mph zone is an instant ban either. Been past loads of cameras faster than that. Edited January 28, 2019 by luckyBatistuta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJambo Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, luckyBatistuta said: Not believing you can get done at 31mph, as no speedo is that accurate on a car. Your mate certainly never got a 2k fine for doing 31mph. Not believing 40mph in a 30mph zone is an instant ban either. Been past loads of cameras faster than that. The table of fines is here. 150% of weekly wage for 40mph in a 30 zone. https://www.evo.co.uk/news/18773/uk-speeding-fines-2018-what-are-the-latest-penalties-for-drivers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N Lincs Jambo Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Mort said: Been trying to do some online research but no luck. Done with doing 35 in a 30 zone on a main road. RAC advises 10% + 2 mph you can get away with. Do i have any chance of fighting this or has anyone done this successfully before? Could be worth your while asking if they have photographic evidence of the driver if anyone else regularly drives your car? We had a situation in 2017 where our car was caught doing 35 leaving a 30. I asked for evidence and received it in the post. It was totally inconclusive. Now as it was at least six weeks between the offence occuring and getting the letter in the post, I genuinely had no idea if I was driving or my mrs. Despite the bullying tactics of the local police force we decided to fight it. When we arrived at court last July, we were told that our names were not on the court list for that day. We were directed to a booth where we could find out the reason. It turned out that the CPS had dismissed the case for reasons we were not told. Result! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbert. Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 21 minutes ago, luckyBatistuta said: Not believing you can get done at 31mph, as no speedo is that accurate on a car. Your mate certainly never got a 2k fine for doing 31mph. Not believing 40mph in a 30mph zone is an instant ban either. Been past loads of cameras faster than that. He was doing 39mph. Fire past one at 35mph if you don't believe me, I think they do it in bands 30-40mph is a fine and points 40+ is a ban and a fine. The law changed recently and it's a court summons, points and a fine. Are you not a taxi driver? I wouldn't speed at all if I needed a licence to pay the bills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyBatistuta Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 21 minutes ago, Herbert said: He was doing 39mph. Fire past one at 35mph if you don't believe me, I think they do it in bands 30-40mph is a fine and points 40+ is a ban and a fine. The law changed recently and it's a court summons, points and a fine. Are you not a taxi driver? I wouldn't speed at all if I needed a licence to pay the bills Knew he was doing more than 31mph, had to be. I know those are correct, but you were saying you would be done at 31mph? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyBatistuta Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 43 minutes ago, IronJambo said: The table of fines is here. 150% of weekly wage for 40mph in a 30 zone. https://www.evo.co.uk/news/18773/uk-speeding-fines-2018-what-are-the-latest-penalties-for-drivers There will be no cameras set at 1mph over the road speed limit. It might say 21-, 31- etc, but no cop is going to pull you 1mph over the speed limit. If you did get the guy who would book his own grannie (one of my mates), if you took it to the PF, I’d bet it would get thrown out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJambo Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 19 minutes ago, luckyBatistuta said: There will be no cameras set at 1mph over the road speed limit. It might say 21-, 31- etc, but no cop is going to pull you 1mph over the speed limit. If you did get the guy who would book his own grannie (one of my mates), if you took it to the PF, I’d bet it would get thrown out. I was only posting a link to the fines table (not sure if it's different in Scotland but I can't find one). I agree with you re: 31mph. I'd also doubt he got a £2k fine for doing 39mph as well given that it's a band A fine with a max of 75% weekly wage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyBatistuta Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Just now, IronJambo said: I was only posting a link to the fines table (not sure if it's different in Scotland but I can't find one). I agree with you re: 31mph. I'd also doubt he got a £2k fine for doing 39mph as well given that it's a band A fine with a max of 75% weekly wage. I got stopped doing 40mph at the top of Old Dalkeith Road once at about 2am by two cops. I held my hands up, sucked it up and wasn’t booked, the lesson...don’t be a smart erse when you get pulled, especially when you are clearly in the wrong. You’re right bud, this guy has been doing way more than just one 39mph, if he got fined 2k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUTOL Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 3 hours ago, ri Alban said: 33 is the max. 10% is the margin for error. No 30 is the max. There is leeway built into the Gatso type cameras which is usually 5 or 6 mph over the limit.(depending on the limit) The limit plus 10% plus 2mph, that is often quoted was ACPO guidelines. But is no longer valid, since ACPO doesn't exist anymore. But, most police forces/camera partnerships will still operate to that. Actual police officers may let you away with higher speeds, or stop you for lower speeds, depending on the situation. (higher/lower than the limit plus whatever nominal leeway) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJambo Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, luckyBatistuta said: I got stopped doing 40mph at the top of Old Dalkeith Road once at about 2am by two cops. I held my hands up, sucked it up and wasn’t booked, the lesson...don’t be a smart erse when you get pulled, especially when you are clearly in the wrong. You’re right bud, this guy has been doing way more than just one 39mph, if he got fined 2k Yes, the good old "attitude" test will always come into play. They'll rightly do a mouthy driver for all they can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Herbert said: If it's a camera then 31mph is enough to get you a ticket now. They changed the law in November I think and you are gonna get points and a fine. I know someone that got 3 points and a 2k fine. He said you need to go to court and you get either 3 or 6 points and I think it was either a 1200 or 2000 fine on top of the points. If you do 40mph in a 30 it's a instant ban. If it's a cop car that pulls you over they still have discretion on the 10%+2. 2k fine, no chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyBatistuta Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Just now, IronJambo said: Yes, the good old "attitude" test will always come into play. They'll rightly do a mouthy driver for all they can. Wife used to work at the traffic, the two worst that will get you a ticket... You not got anything better to do? Why aren’t you out catching some real criminals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 I believe they have 2 weeks from the offence to issue a fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 More info here. Are people claimi g this to be nonsense? https://www.gov.uk/speeding-penalties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyBatistuta Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 18 minutes ago, hughesie27 said: More info here. Are people claimi g this to be nonsense? https://www.gov.uk/speeding-penalties I’m only claiming that you aren’t getting done at 1mph over the speed limit and you aren’t getting a 2k fine for doing 35mph as an only offence, can’t speak for anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N Lincs Jambo Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 2 hours ago, luckyBatistuta said: Wife used to work at the traffic, the two worst that will get you a ticket... You not got anything better to do? Why aren’t you out catching some real criminals? Not having a pop at you LB but the fact that this attitude actually exists boils my piss. A few years back a tenant of mine called me to say that the gas meter had been nicked. He had called 999 as gas was pouring out and we could have been looking at a catastrophe. Fire service and Transco arrived within 2 minutes. No police. I called the police the instant I got the news and told them what had happened. I strongly urged them to get SOCOs down there straight away for dabs as rain was forecast. They turned up 9 days later! Christ we could have been looking at multiple fatalities but it takes them 9 days to turn up yet they have all the resources to persecute the perpetrators of victimless crimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyBatistuta Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, N Lincs Jambo said: Not having a pop at you LB but the fact that this attitude actually exists boils my piss. A few years back a tenant of mine called me to say that the gas meter had been nicked. He had called 999 as gas was pouring out and we could have been looking at a catastrophe. Fire service and Transco arrived within 2 minutes. No police. I called the police the instant I got the news and told them what had happened. I strongly urged them to get SOCOs down there straight away for dabs as rain was forecast. They turned up 9 days later! Christ we could have been looking at multiple fatalities but it takes them 9 days to turn up yet they have all the resources to persecute the perpetrators of victimless crimes. I didn’t think you were I’m not sticking up for them, just telling you what annoys most of them. I must admit to getting more and more rage with the cops these days though. Don’t know if it’s an age thing, or just that the standard of policing has dropped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJambo Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 14 minutes ago, N Lincs Jambo said: Not having a pop at you LB but the fact that this attitude actually exists boils my piss. So when they stop someone that's in the wrong and get a mouthful of attitude they're supposed to just give them a friendly warning instead of a ticket? Don't talk nonsense, if you speak to someone like **** you should expect to be treated like a ****. In this respect, to the full letter of the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N Lincs Jambo Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, IronJambo said: So when they stop someone that's in the wrong and get a mouthful of attitude they're supposed to just give them a friendly warning instead of a ticket? Don't talk nonsense, if you speak to someone like **** you should expect to be treated like a ****. In this respect, to the full letter of the law. Did you bother reading the rest of my post or did you stop at the bit you disagreed with?? Actually don’t bother with a reply, it’s kind of obvious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N Lincs Jambo Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, luckyBatistuta said: I didn’t think you were I’m not sticking up for them, just telling you what annoys most of them. I must admit to getting more and more rage with the cops these days though. Don’t know if it’s an age thing, or just that the standard of policing has dropped. Same boat mate. As a tax-payer I don’t expect them to disregard the law but I would expect them to prioritise things which could have ended up with multiple fatalities just from someone chucking away a fag butt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyBatistuta Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, N Lincs Jambo said: Same boat mate. As a tax-payer I don’t expect them to disregard the law but I would expect them to prioritise things which could have ended up with multiple fatalities just from someone chucking away a fag butt Wouldn’t have fancied being anywhere near that building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJambo Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 11 minutes ago, N Lincs Jambo said: Did you bother reading the rest of my post or did you stop at the bit you disagreed with?? Actually don’t bother with a reply, it’s kind of obvious I read the whole thing bud. Just because they're under resourced it doesn't mean we should be talking to the ones that are actually there like they're arseholes. The government are arseholes, not the emergency services. There's no excuse for giving them sarcy comments when you're in the wrong. It's stupid to expect not to pay for it if you do. Speeding isn't a victimless offence either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N Lincs Jambo Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, luckyBatistuta said: Wouldn’t have fancied being anywhere near that building. 3 minutes ago, luckyBatistuta said: Wouldn’t have fancied being anywhere near that building. Very scary. Meter got nicked from front of house but gas not tapped off. My tenant was woken at 3am by someone tapping on his window saying he could smell gas. Very lucky the guy wasn’t smoking or the whole place would have gone up. Still scares the shit out of me thinking about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyBatistuta Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 1 minute ago, N Lincs Jambo said: Very scary. Meter got nicked from front of house but gas not tapped off. My tenant was woken at 3am by someone tapping on his window saying he could smell gas. Very lucky the guy wasn’t smoking or the whole place would have gone up. Still scares the shit out of me thinking about it. Why would someone steal the meter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N Lincs Jambo Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 1 minute ago, IronJambo said: I read the whole thing bud. Just because they're under resourced it doesn't mean we should be talking to the ones that are actually there like they're arseholes. The government are arseholes, not the emergency services. There's no excuse for giving them sarcy comments when you're in the wrong. It's stupid to expect not to pay for it if you do. Speeding isn't a victimless offence either. Ok I get you, but in fairness did I actually advocate that (ie giving them sarcy comments?) I’m not daft, and I wouldn’t do it but bearing in mind what I have said about how little of a **** the cops gave about something which could have led to multiple deaths and it took them 9 whole days to get round to take dabs, do you get why I’m not wholly impressed? They are after all our public servants paid for by our taxes, not our rulers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N Lincs Jambo Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, luckyBatistuta said: Why would someone steal the meter Meters are currency LB. Your meter gets read say every 3 months. After your meter has been read you swap for your own meter then swap back a couple of weeks before next meter reading. You save hundreds of pounds a year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyBatistuta Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, N Lincs Jambo said: Meters are currency LB. Your meter gets read say every 3 months. After your meter has been read you swap for your own meter then swap back a couple of weeks before next meter reading. You save hundreds of pounds a year you’ll get jail time for something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N Lincs Jambo Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Just now, luckyBatistuta said: you’ll get jail time for something like that. You certainly should. As I said at the start (probably hadn’t explained myself properly at that point), that’s what boiled my piss, the fact that the police will (seemingly) push their resources towards motorists who might be breaking the law, however marginally, but can’t be arsed going after real criminals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyBatistuta Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 10 minutes ago, N Lincs Jambo said: You certainly should. As I said at the start (probably hadn’t explained myself properly at that point), that’s what boiled my piss, the fact that the police will (seemingly) push their resources towards motorists who might be breaking the law, however marginally, but can’t be arsed going after real criminals. Just don’t say it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N Lincs Jambo Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 1 minute ago, luckyBatistuta said: Just don’t say it Lol no worries mate, I’ll leave that till I get to court ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyBatistuta Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 1 minute ago, N Lincs Jambo said: Lol no worries mate, I’ll leave that till I get to court ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJambo Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, N Lincs Jambo said: Ok I get you, but in fairness did I actually advocate that (ie giving them sarcy comments?) I’m not daft, and I wouldn’t do it but bearing in mind what I have said about how little of a **** the cops gave about something which could have led to multiple deaths and it took them 9 whole days to get round to take dabs, do you get why I’m not wholly impressed? They are after all our public servants paid for by our taxes, not our rulers. I can get why that's irked you. Pragmatism tells me that it was a low priority as the situation was contained and any disaster was averted. If there were prints then they'd still be there 9 days later, rain or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N Lincs Jambo Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 17 minutes ago, IronJambo said: I can get why that's irked you. Pragmatism tells me that it was a low priority as the situation was contained and any disaster was averted. If there were prints then they'd still be there 9 days later, rain or not. As I’m not clued up at all about whether prints would still be there rain or not I’ll take your point in the spirit you mentioned it. You are absolutely right that’s why it irked me. I’m not even sure the police were even aware till I called them. However I didn’t enter this thread looking to start an argument with fellow Hearts supporters (it’s why I seldom post tbh), so we both seem to appreciate where each other is coming from. I’m cool with that IJ and respect that you have stuck to arguing points and not gone to abuse which happens so often on this forum. Respect! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Going back to the original question..... I'd suggest you just take it on the chin. If you're going to fight it, best route is probably finding yourself one of these specialised solicitors who will go looking for technicalities and try get you off on that basis. Used to be a good one that folk mentioned a lot but I cant for the life of me remember it. I suspect the correct answer is just to take it on the chin though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky999 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) Anyone who thinks speeding is fun or thinks its a laugh or any other pathetic reason should have good look themselves in the mirror. Having worked for an Ambulance service for over 20 years and seen the havoc and destruction it causes should be enough to make anyone slow down and drive safely.The odd mph is unavoidable at times. I await the morons who think im an idiot and tell me, "but im a good driver". There is no argument! Edited January 29, 2019 by Sharky999 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 17 minutes ago, Sharky999 said: Anyone who thinks speeding is fun or thinks its a laugh or any other pathetic reason should have good look themselves in the mirror. Having worked for an Ambulance service for over 20 years and seen the havoc and destruction it causes should be enough to make anyone slow down and drive safely.The odd mph is unavoidable at times. I await the morons who think im an idiot and tell me, "but im a good driver". There is no argument! Good knowledgeable post. What's your opinion on the 20mph speed limits in the city centre? I'm not convinced it was required or whether it's made any difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 9 hours ago, IronJambo said: Speeding isn't a victimless offence either. Spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 17 hours ago, Mort said: Been trying to do some online research but no luck. Done with doing 35 in a 30 zone on a main road. RAC advises 10% + 2 mph you can get away with. Do i have any chance of fighting this or has anyone done this successfully before? take the 100 pound fine and 3 points, you have been unlucky , doubt you would win a case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantjambo Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 18 hours ago, Mort said: Been trying to do some online research but no luck. Done with doing 35 in a 30 zone on a main road. RAC advises 10% + 2 mph you can get away with. Do i have any chance of fighting this or has anyone done this successfully before? Suck it up. I failed my last test for going 35 in a 30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky999 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 2 hours ago, AlphonseCapone said: Good knowledgeable post. What's your opinion on the 20mph speed limits in the city centre? I'm not convinced it was required or whether it's made any difference. Thank man. Im not sure of the research behind it, but it must be evidence based from another country, they wouldn't implement it just for the sake of it. The evidence does show reduced mortality when pedestrians are struck by moving vehicles between 40>30mph so if you further reduce the limit in densely populated areas then there must be a lesser risk to people, although you cant account for freak accidents. I've not worked in Edinburgh or surrounds for 7 years so it has had no impact on me. In my opinion and i base this from when i worked in Edinburgh, if you drive at 20mph consistenty you will still get around just as quickly if you were to try and drive at 30 mph due to the volume and stop start of all the traffic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyBatistuta Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 3 hours ago, Sharky999 said: Anyone who thinks speeding is fun or thinks its a laugh or any other pathetic reason should have good look themselves in the mirror. Having worked for an Ambulance service for over 20 years and seen the havoc and destruction it causes should be enough to make anyone slow down and drive safely.The odd mph is unavoidable at times. I await the morons who think im an idiot and tell me, "but im a good driver". There is no argument! Not really on topic, but you’d probably know my nightshift driver. He used to drive an ambulance, done it for many years, but gave it up. He just couldn’t take the mental and physical abuse he was getting anymore. He is a much happier person these days. Just can’t get my head around why people would attack the people that are actually trying to help them. Back on the topic, I’m not a fan of the 20mph on main roads. I do think all residential side streets should definitely be 20mph zones and outside schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 7 minutes ago, luckyBatistuta said: Back on the topic, I’m not a fan of the 20mph on main roads. I do think all residential side streets should definitely be 20mph zones and outside schools. I agree with this, although if people could be trusted to drive to the road conditions (e.g. driving slowly down narrow residential streets with lots of parked cars where kids could step out at any moment), then there would be no real need for enforced 20 zones except outside of schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky999 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 17 minutes ago, luckyBatistuta said: Not really on topic, but you’d probably know my nightshift driver. He used to drive an ambulance, done it for many years, but gave it up. He just couldn’t take the mental and physical abuse he was getting anymore. He is a much happier person these days. Just can’t get my head around why people would attack the people that are actually trying to help them. Back on the topic, I’m not a fan of the 20mph on main roads. I do think all residential side streets should definitely be 20mph zones and outside schools. Probably mate, worked in Edinburgh from 96 up till 2011 if i remember rightly. We had quite a few boys done nights on the blacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyBatistuta Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sharky999 said: Probably mate, worked in Edinburgh from 96 up till 2011 if i remember rightly. We had quite a few boys done nights on the blacks. His name is Paul, last name begins with a ‘B’ (Italian sounding) used to drive with a guy called Mike? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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