trotter Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, OTT said: Jesus... its a horrible blessing but I hope it brings both families some sort of comfort. Knowing they didn't suffer or have that horrible panic hopefully helps. The owner should get nailed to the ****ing floor. Without meaning to drag the thread down, you can only hope that Sala passed out first. The idea of being in a plane without a conscious pilot doesn't thrill me as a passenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 His sister said from the start that she thought there was something fishy about the ‘accident’. I think she is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 So a poorly maintained plane with a front mounted engine leaking harmful fumes into the cockpit... Can see how this flight was all achieved on the cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanny17 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Have they found the pilots body yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Cygnet said: Have they found the pilots body yet? Not yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanny17 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Paolo said: Not yet. Interesting. 🧐 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 29 minutes ago, Cygnet said: Have they found the pilots body yet? 27 minutes ago, Paolo said: Not yet. 25 minutes ago, Cygnet said: Interesting. 🧐 The plane was more or less intact when they recovered it wasn't it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanny17 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: The plane was more or less intact when they recovered it wasn't it ? Yes, with Sala still in his seat. I’d have thought that’s where they’d have found the pilot too considering the seatbelts or at the very least his body would have washed up somewhere by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertDawg Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 This investigation will go all the way to the plane's manufacturer in Florida as well as the local maintenance crews or any other intermediary who may have carried out any modifications or repairs. Could be some questions about why a Carbon Monoxide monitor wasn't installed in the cabin too especially since they're so cheap nowadays that most of us have them in our homes near gas heating boilers or similar devices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny Factor Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 32 minutes ago, Cygnet said: Yes, with Sala still in his seat. I’d have thought that’s where they’d have found the pilot too considering the seatbelts or at the very least his body would have washed up somewhere by now. I still reckon the pilot bailed when the plane got into trouble. There's no other logical explanation as to why his body wasn't found still in his seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blairdin Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) I don't think the pilot bailed, but if he was suffering the effects of oxygen loss/carbon monoxide poisoning he may have acted erratically/irrationally in the last minutes of the flight. By all accounts the plane made a few inexplicable turns and altitude changes before it plunged. He probably released his seat belt, but I don't buy him trying to bail out as that would need a degree of logical thinking when that capacity had been lost. It's an awful accident, but for as much as that pilot shouldn't have been doing the job, it looks like it wasn't pilot error that brought the plane down. He can't be the scapegoat for the real guilty parties. Edited August 14, 2019 by blairdin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scnorthedinburgh Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, blairdin said: I don't think the pilot bailed, but if he was suffering the effects of oxygen loss/carbon monoxide poisoning he may have acted erratically/irrationally in the last minutes of the flight. By all accounts the plane made a few inexplicable turns and altitude changes before it plunged. He probably released his seat belt, but I don't buy him trying to bail out as that would need a degree of logical thinking when that capacity had been lost. It's an awful accident, but for as much as that pilot shouldn't have been doing the job, it looks like it wasn't pilot error that brought the plane down. He can't be the scapegoat for the real guilty parties. Would also involve him having a parachute on and his passenger not asking where his was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonsgotop Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 12 hours ago, kila said: So a poorly maintained plane with a front mounted engine leaking harmful fumes into the cockpit... Can see how this flight was all achieved on the cheap. may have leaked from an onboard heater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Two employees of a CCTV company have been jailed for releasing pictures from the autopsy. Hope they have a fun time in jail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 They did well to catch them. Stupid people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trotter Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 On 15/08/2019 at 01:29, maroonsgotop said: may have leaked from an onboard heater It's happened many times before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Cardiff ordered to pay first instalment to Nantes £5.3m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 54 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: Cardiff ordered to pay first instalment to Nantes £5.3m. Next installment due in January which they must presumably pay too. Hope they didn't spend their parachute payment from the EPL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, frankblack said: Next installment due in January which they must presumably pay too. Hope they didn't spend their parachute payment from the EPL. It’s a sad state of affairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnB Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 19 minutes ago, frankblack said: Next installment due in January which they must presumably pay too. Hope they didn't spend their parachute payment from the EPL. And a slightly unfortunate choice of words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 43 minutes ago, JohnB said: And a slightly unfortunate choice of words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 FIFA have given their full findings and reasons for decision to force Cardiff to pay up https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50288398 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantjambo Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 (edited) . Edited November 4, 2019 by iantjambo Didn’t notice that the thread had been updated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Cardiff are a disgrace like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantjambo Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Pretty sad that a guy is dead and two football clubs are arguing over money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 4 hours ago, iantjambo said: Pretty sad that a guy is dead and two football clubs are arguing over money. However in the real world if you don't have the money or are struggling for money what do you do ? Cardiff are looking after their interests and the French club theirs It seems from all of this that Cardiff had not insured Sala after the signing and it was on a to do list and another example of poor organisation over the whole deal Of course the bigger tragedy is the players death and that of the pilot but Cardiff lost out on the player they were banking on for survival and now have the fee to pay I think this will hit them badly hence the fight over the fee and responsibility Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 13 hours ago, CJGJ said: However in the real world if you don't have the money or are struggling for money what do you do ? Cardiff are looking after their interests and the French club theirs It seems from all of this that Cardiff had not insured Sala after the signing and it was on a to do list and another example of poor organisation over the whole deal Of course the bigger tragedy is the players death and that of the pilot but Cardiff lost out on the player they were banking on for survival and now have the fee to pay I think this will hit them badly hence the fight over the fee and responsibility You sell assets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 19 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: FIFA have given their full findings and reasons for decision to force Cardiff to pay up https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50288398 If there believe that the transfer was completed, and that is why Cardiff should pay up, why the first instalment only? I would have thought it should be all or nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poseidon Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 40 minutes ago, Paolo said: If there believe that the transfer was completed, and that is why Cardiff should pay up, why the first instalment only? I would have thought it should be all or nothing. The second payment not due yet so if Cardiff exhaust all options and still required to pay then they will have to pay the other installments when they fall due Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 On 20/06/2019 at 07:34, maroonsgotop said: Daily Mail reporting the arrested person was pilot David Henderson who should have been flying the plane but had arranged for someone else (Ibbotson) to fly instead. Ibbotson of course was not qualified to fly the plane on the ill fated flight. NO charges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 On 20/06/2019 at 07:34, maroonsgotop said: Daily Mail reporting the arrested person was pilot David Henderson who should have been flying the plane but had arranged for someone else (Ibbotson) to fly instead. Ibbotson of course was not qualified to fly the plane on the ill fated flight. No charges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 As expected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzroy Pointon Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: As expected Mental. Why the hell would you get into a cockpit and think "well I've never flown at night and I don't understand the instruments but I think we'll be okay". Incredible. Suicidal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertDawg Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Maybe his judgment was affected by the fee he was promised? What I don't get is why were they using this form of transport anyway? Sala could have got the train from France to Wales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Problem perhaps was this was the generally accepted way to travel. The agent arranged it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertDawg Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 In that case, hasn't the agent then created a "master and servant" relationship which makes him ultimately responsible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 23 hours ago, DesertDawg said: Maybe his judgment was affected by the fee he was promised? What I don't get is why were they using this form of transport anyway? Sala could have got the train from France to Wales. Cardiff has arranged a commercial flight for him too but he refused and elected to fly privately. A travesty all round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 Sala had signed for Premier League Cardiff for £15m French side Nice have condemned a section of their own supporters for a chant mocking the late Emiliano Sala. Sala, 28, died when the plane he was flying in crashed in the English Channel in January 2019 as he was about to join Cardiff City from Nantes. Nice lost the French Cup final 1-0 to Nantes on Saturday and the chant was heard as Nice faced Saint-Etienne in Ligue 1 on Wednesday night. Nice said it condemned the chant "in the strongest possible sense". "The club does not recognise its values or those of the entire red-and-black family in this unthinkable and abject provocation by a minority of its supporters," read a statement. "Nice sends its support to the family and friends of Emiliano Sala." After the match Nice coach Christophe Galtier added: "I have no words to describe what we heard. We hear many things in a football stadium. But that - where do insults of a dead footballer come from? If that's our society, we're in trouble." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 On 22/01/2019 at 11:17, Sexton Hardcastle said: "I wouldn't say it's dead in the water, but it's highly unlikely at the moment." Neil Warnock is far from optimistic about clinching a deal for Nantes striker Emiliano Sala but says he is close to securing one January signing. On 22/01/2019 at 11:21, rudi must stay said: Made me laugh And this is in a similar vein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 22 hours ago, Morgan said: And this is in a similar vein. See Nantes won the French Cup. I saw them on BT Sport a few nights ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 On 14/03/2020 at 18:18, RustyRightPeg said: Cardiff had arranged a commercial flight for him too but he refused and elected to fly privately. A travesty all round. Finally Cardiff say Nantes arranged the flight on which he died. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 15 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Finally Cardiff say Nantes arranged the flight on which he died. All a bit of a mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanny17 Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 Never did find the pilots body as far as I am aware? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertDawg Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 3 hours ago, Swanny17 said: Never did find the pilots body as far as I am aware? I believe that's correct. Sala's death was due to inhalation of carbon monoxide if I remember right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 3 hours ago, Swanny17 said: Never did find the pilots body as far as I am aware? He was that unprofessional, he probably wasn't even strapped in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 5 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: Finally Cardiff say Nantes arranged the flight on which he died. All a bit sad that this is still going on. 2 football clubs squabbling over who should pay the other one millions, meanwhile the poor family lost a loved one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, Locky said: All a bit sad that this is still going on. 2 football clubs squabbling over who should pay the other one millions, meanwhile the poor family lost a loved one. Agree. Don't really see the reason for making this public. Cardiff needing to justify themselves now no longer near Premiership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said: Agree. Don't really see the reason for making this public. Cardiff needing to justify themselves now no longer near Premiership. I understood a little bit the argument about whether Cardiff should've paid up the rest of the cash for a player they never received, but it's dragged on a hell of a lot and doesn't sit right with me. Arguing about money and treating Sala as if he's an object. Poor guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraggle Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 4 hours ago, Swanny17 said: Never did find the pilots body as far as I am aware? The crash could have well ripped his body clean out the fuselage if he wasn't wearing a seat belt. As soon as that happened, in that depth of water, you were never finding a body. Only reason they found Sala was because he was trapped inside the wreckage (with the oceans natural way of dealing with things well under way). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CF11JamTart Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, Locky said: I understood a little bit the argument about whether Cardiff should've paid up the rest of the cash for a player they never received, but it's dragged on a hell of a lot and doesn't sit right with me. Arguing about money and treating Sala as if he's an object. Poor guy. This 100 million claim really doesn’t sit well with me. It's a tragedy for the guy's family. And scrambling about with claims feels really tawdry. Completely lacking in respectfulness and class. Maybe City wouldn't have got relegated had he survived the journey and played for them. Who knows. But it was a very murky set-up with flights in the grey market, for want of a better phrase. The podcast on BBC sounds app is very good. All very sad. And Willie Mackay seems like a wee weasel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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