Pasquale for King Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, EastSideJambo said: Did Djoum play? I recall watching Walker trying to foul McGinn and he couldn't even catch him to foul him! Kitchen and Tziolis along with Martin were a ****ing disgrace Young Rory Currie came on and put others around him to shame. It was a ****ing horror show As was the shite under Levein twice last season I should add Yeah he was in midfield with Martin, Tzolis, Kitchen and Walker. Currie was good when he came on. A horrible night. Last season was no better, same formation twice and identical performances and defeats. Edited December 16, 2018 by Pasquale for King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastSideJambo Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Yeah he was in midfield with Martin, Tzolis, Kitchen and Walker. Currie was good when he came on. A horrible night. Last season was no better, same formation twice and identical performances and defeats. What a ****ing depressing line up. Two years on its still ****ing dugshit That's progress I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, EastSideJambo said: What a ****ing depressing line up. Two years on its still ****ing dugshit That's progress I guess Take Naismith,Berra Souttar/Dunne out our team and is it any better now in all fairness? Edited December 16, 2018 by Pasquale for King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastSideJambo Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 19 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Take Naismith,Berra Souttar/Dunne out our team and is it any better now in all fairness? It's arguably weaker in some areas. We need a quality midfielder urgently. We are also short of quality in fullback areas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 1 minute ago, EastSideJambo said: It's arguably weaker in some areas. We need a quality midfielder urgently. We are also short of quality in fullback areas Isma scored more goals than Uche/Wighton/Maclean put together. Tzolis better than Lee or Kitchen better than Bozanic, Walker better than what we have in wide areas, Struna better than Smith, Sowah as poor as what we have now? Scary stuff really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringonthesevco Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 10 hours ago, Brighton Jambo said: I apologise for the name calling it was, as you say, immature. i truly believe if you want Craig Levein sacked after our overall season so far you aren’t a real fan and have an agenda. Love the way people think you can judge who is a real fan and who isn’t based on a few posts .... I just want what’s best for Hearts and don’t believe that’s Levein .... if someone sat sat and worked out how much cash has gone on players he either sanctioned when DoF or has directly wasted on players then we’d all be absolutely horrified. Yes we’ve had bad injuries but only really to 4 players we signed about 15 in the summer , 9 midfield/wide players and not a creative mind between them - that’s just horrific ... Being a PHM only cuts him so much slack and in my opinion that’s gone ... Note - for the record , not a bit of personal abuse in my response just a thought through argument - anyone with a different opinion (which we’re all entitled to) please try and stick to this ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 7 hours ago, Pasquale for King said: Isma scored more goals than Uche/Wighton/Maclean put together. Tzolis better than Lee or Kitchen better than Bozanic, Walker better than what we have in wide areas, Struna better than Smith, Sowah as poor as what we have now? Scary stuff really. Tziolis is not better than Lee. Reputation-wise, yeah but zero effort. Smith is better than Struna and Sowah is not a footballer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: Tziolis is not better than Lee. Reputation-wise, yeah but zero effort. Smith is better than Struna and Sowah is not a footballer. Look at the careers both of those players have, not suited to our game but they have done more than Lee or Neilson, sorry Smith will or ever have done. Sowah yes but are the two we have currently that much better? You have to agree the comparison between the two teams doesn’t look good for CL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Pasquale for King said: Look at the careers both of those players have, not suited to our game but they have done more than Lee or Neilson, sorry Smith will or ever have done. Sowah yes but are the two we have currently that much better? You have to agree the comparison between the two teams doesn’t look good for CL? Yeah but I was basing it on how they played for us. That midfield at easter Road was powder puff. Painful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 34 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: Yeah but I was basing it on how they played for us. That midfield at easter Road was powder puff. Painful. Indeed it was, a painful experience at a ground that has so many great memories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Oh god, nowhere near the line. We’ve had a horrible month or two with some of the worst refereeing decisions (at crucial points in games) that I’ve ever seen, a host of serious injuries to key players in key positions including our completely indispensable captain, a few other players who are in recovery from injuries and didn’t have great pre-seasons, another few who are playing with injuries, and a manager who ended up having a serious health issue while we were riding high. I’ve seen people go on about how we shouldn’t use this stuff as “excuses” and frankly, it’s mental. They’re solid reasons. Also, other teams have stepped up their game as well, we don’t exist in a bubble. Friday night was a very sore one to take on the back of a disappointing few weeks, and probably feels even worse after the season started with such massive potential. When things were good, that squad looked good, and we were happy enough with it iirc. I’m looking forward to seeing what happens when we get it back together early in the new year but in the meantime it would be excellent if we could please please hold it together over Christmas. I don’t think I can take another assault on the soul like Friday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rods Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 I think CL has a couple of big games coming up if we lose to Hibs and badly it could be the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jockmac Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 6 hours ago, bringonthesevco said: Love the way people think you can judge who is a real fan and who isn’t based on a few posts .... I just want what’s best for Hearts and don’t believe that’s Levein .... if someone sat sat and worked out how much cash has gone on players he either sanctioned when DoF or has directly wasted on players then we’d all be absolutely horrified. Yes we’ve had bad injuries but only really to 4 players we signed about 15 in the summer , 9 midfield/wide players and not a creative mind between them - that’s just horrific ... Being a PHM only cuts him so much slack and in my opinion that’s gone ... Note - for the record , not a bit of personal abuse in my response just a thought through argument - anyone with a different opinion (which we’re all entitled to) please try and stick to this ... Great post. Midfield is awful, where are our skilful, box to box midfielders, who chip in with a barrowload of goals. Too many below average players who are not remotely good enough to win silverware for Hearts. How can our intelligent, knowledgeable, experienced manager, think that continuing to play Steven Maclean up front is effective and working. What the hell does he see, it’s like playing with ten men. He he would be better throwing in an untried youngster than playing him, he would even get more playing our coach Jon Daly up front! - it’s quite staggering really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 17 minutes ago, jockmac said: Great post. Midfield is awful, where are our skilful, box to box midfielders, who chip in with a barrowload of goals. Too many below average players who are not remotely good enough to win silverware for Hearts. How can our intelligent, knowledgeable, experienced manager, think that continuing to play Steven Maclean up front is effective and working. What the hell does he see, it’s like playing with ten men. He he would be better throwing in an untried youngster than playing him, he would even get more playing our coach Jon Daly up front! - it’s quite staggering really. Yeah I’m here too what the **** is he doing persisting with MacLean he’s absolutely pish. It really appears to be playing with 10 men right from the off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brauhauser2012 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Anyone thought that John Murray may not be up to the chief scouting role anymore? Martin, Oshinawa, Amankwaa, Dauda, Mulraney, Clare, Avionitis, Watt, Salmon, Stockton, Grezelak, Zanatta, Smith-Brown, Buaben, Noring, Sowah, Choulay. I'm sure others could name other signings that have under-performed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 I haven’t read the whole thread so don’t know if it’s been answered. But who is replacing him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canada Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 The line could be us heading into the winter break as low as 8th in the league and with just one win in however many matches. Hopefully last Friday was a one-off and we can put it right in our next three games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 42 minutes ago, Brauhauser2012 said: Anyone thought that John Murray may not be up to the chief scouting role anymore? Martin, Oshinawa, Amankwaa, Dauda, Mulraney, Clare, Avionitis, Watt, Salmon, Stockton, Grezelak, Zanatta, Smith-Brown, Buaben, Noring, Sowah, Choulay. I'm sure others could name other signings that have under-performed. I'm sure we changed our scouting process, I think before this season we had been going down a very value driven stats based approach hence so many foreign players then Cathro happened, the fans blew a lid on foreign players who clearly don't give a **** about the club or fan expectations and then we adopted a more UK based approach. I do think some fresh faces in the coaching department may not be the worst thing As you've pointed out thats a lot of failure. I'd actually forgotten about Grezelak... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiler Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 3 hours ago, alwaysthereinspirit said: I haven’t read the whole thread so don’t know if it’s been answered. But who is replacing him? Either have I, is he leaving / has he left? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearts related nickname Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 On 15/12/2018 at 23:07, EastSideJambo said: grim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAndy Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 The reality is that the next 3 games are irrelevant in terms of 'the line'. Judgement time will be February \ March when hopefully we will have a fully fit squad and back playing the sort of football that had most on here happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 FWIW, I think it’s time for him to go. He and the team did fantastically well up until the end of October, but we’ve badly fallen away since Naismith got injured. The injuries excuse can only get you so far when you bring in as many players as he has and they just aren’t up to scratch. There hasn’t been a noticeable improvement on performances from last season. Barring the fact we now can’t defend for shit. Constantly lose the midfield battle, don’t create chances to score, let ourselves be bullied at the back. We’re just as gutless as we were 12 months ago. He’s brought in all these players and they’re not doing the business. He’s got lucky with the recent refereeing debacle, as it’s taken the focus off the utterly eye bleeding football we’re being forced to endure. Created nothing against 10 man Rangers, were dreadful against St Johnstone and just as bad against Motherwell (albeit we defended well that day). Can I see us getting anything from Pittodrie on Saturday? No. Hamilton at home? Not sure. Hibs away? No chance. We’re becoming too sentimental. Not doing the business? Then we’ll find someone who will. I’m worried about all the people who seem to believe that we’ll just go back to smashing teams once Naismith is back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobskeldon Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Phil Dunphy said: FWIW, I think it’s time for him to go. He and the team did fantastically well up until the end of October, but we’ve badly fallen away since Naismith got injured. The injuries excuse can only get you so far when you bring in as many players as he has and they just aren’t up to scratch. There hasn’t been a noticeable improvement on performances from last season. Barring the fact we now can’t defend for shit. Constantly lose the midfield battle, don’t create chances to score, let ourselves be bullied at the back. We’re just as gutless as we were 12 months ago. He’s brought in all these players and they’re not doing the business. He’s got lucky with the recent refereeing debacle, as it’s taken the focus off the utterly eye bleeding football we’re being forced to endure. Created nothing against 10 man Rangers, were dreadful against St Johnstone and just as bad against Motherwell (albeit we defended well that day). Can I see us getting anything from Pittodrie on Saturday? No. Hamilton at home? Not sure. Hibs away? No chance. We’re becoming too sentimental. Not doing the business? Then we’ll find someone who will. I’m worried about all the people who seem to believe that we’ll just go back to smashing teams once Naismith is back. Totally agree Phil but I would go further and say there has been no noticeable improvement since we had the points to win the Championship and other than a few 'highlights' here and there, the team still has no pace, no width and no creativity! These were all problems in our first season back with RN, IC and the common denominator...CL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alva-Jambo Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 There is often a reaction to any serious illness , and he MAY still be getting over it.. he came back soon, I'd have had a few months out. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt until say February. In one sense he is simply one of our several injury victims! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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