scott herbertson Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 (edited) Occurred to me that we had no one booked yesterday so thought I'd take a look at this - it's been years since I have seen us only mid table in this - we are normally the worst or second or third worse. Another sign of our growing discipline and professionalism I believe yellow cards , red cards (3pts), second yellows, total 1 Celtic FC 0 12 1 0 1 15 2 Livingston FC 0 28 0 0 0 28 3 St. Johnstone FC 0 24 0 1 1 29 4 Dundee FC 0 25 0 1 1 30 5 Kilmarnock FC 0 28 0 1 1 33 6 Hibernian FC 0 30 1 0 1 33 7 Heart of Midlothian FC 0 33 1 0 1 36 8 Aberdeen FC 0 28 1 1 2 36 9 Motherwell FC 0 32 2 0 2 38 10 Hamilton Academical FC 0 38 3 0 3 47 11 St. Mirren FC 0 39 1 1 2 47 12 Rangers FC 0 27 2 3 5 48 Edited December 9, 2018 by scott herbertson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartmussel Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Excellent,was wondering yesterday after this unusual occurrence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 No bookings yesterday? I mever noticed that though to be fair to Collum I thought he handled things well. Mid table mediocrity though. Bottom 6 infact. Typical Levein. Given we won yesterday this could be like a snuggly warm Sunday morning comfort blanket for certain posters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott herbertson Posted December 9, 2018 Author Share Posted December 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, been here before said: No bookings yesterday? I mever noticed that though to be fair to Collum I thought he handled things well. Mid table mediocrity though. Bottom 6 infact. Typical Levein. Given we won yesterday this could be like a snuggly warm Sunday morning comfort blanket for certain posters. With the hangover I have a worn snuggly comfort blanket is what is required Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Further proof of the referee agenda against super brave stevie g's rangers side ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Should that not read Steven Gerrards rangers, or to be more accurate - Morelos who is bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 23 minutes ago, scott herbertson said: Occurred to me that we had no one booked yesterday so thought I'd take a look at this - it's been years since I have seen us only mid table in this - we are normally the worst or second or third worse. Another sign of our growing discipline and professionalism I believe yellow cards , red cards (3pts), second yellows, total 1 Celtic FC 0 12 1 0 1 15 2 Livingston FC 0 28 0 0 0 28 3 St. Johnstone FC 0 24 0 1 1 29 4 Dundee FC 0 25 0 1 1 30 5 Kilmarnock FC 0 28 0 1 1 33 6 Hibernian FC 0 30 1 0 1 33 7 Heart of Midlothian FC 0 33 1 0 1 36 8 Aberdeen FC 0 28 1 1 2 36 9 Motherwell FC 0 32 2 0 2 38 10 Hamilton Academical FC 0 38 3 0 3 47 11 St. Mirren FC 0 39 1 1 2 47 12 Rangers FC 0 27 2 3 5 48 All that ‘Old Firm Bias’ and Rangers are still bottom of the FairPlay league. Beggars belief really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Also I'm absolutely stunned at Livingston's position in that table. Incredible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Surprised to see Livingston 2nd given that they play prison rules football, quite literally given the case history of a couple of their defenders and assistant manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Yesterday was always going to be a quiet no controversy day all round. Even give Killie a penalty at Parkhead so it can be referred to in future ( note at 4-0 down tho ). stevie g’s New Rangers should have way more than that total as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Morelos firing Rangers to another title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 18 minutes ago, WeeChuck'sHeed said: Should that not read Steven Gerrards rangers, or to be more accurate - Morelos who is bottom. He should have twice as many yellow and reds too. A point to note is although our discipline has improved, our 3 players most likely to get cards (Soapy, Naismith and Uche) have been out. We were top of this table a few months back. But I just want them back asap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Barack said: Celtic have 12 yellow's. Fairly hard to commit a foul when you have the ball. They have a lot of the ball. Without checking Man City must be the top of the English FairPlay table for the same reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr Elwood P said: Fairly hard to commit a foul when you have the ball. They have a lot of the ball. Without checking Man City must be the top of the English FairPlay table for the same reason. This old chestnut! ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo19 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Shame you can't appeal yellows unless it's mistaken identity as some of the bookings this season have been farcical. Good to see we aren't bottom though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19/05/2012 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Rangers going for 55 only need another 7 points could this be the day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 1 hour ago, scott herbertson said: Occurred to me that we had no one booked yesterday so thought I'd take a look at this - it's been years since I have seen us only mid table in this - we are normally the worst or second or third worse. Another sign of our growing discipline and professionalism I believe yellow cards , red cards (3pts), second yellows, total 1 Celtic FC 0 12 1 0 1 15 2 Livingston FC 0 28 0 0 0 28 3 St. Johnstone FC 0 24 0 1 1 29 4 Dundee FC 0 25 0 1 1 30 5 Kilmarnock FC 0 28 0 1 1 33 6 Hibernian FC 0 30 1 0 1 33 7 Heart of Midlothian FC 0 33 1 0 1 36 8 Aberdeen FC 0 28 1 1 2 36 9 Motherwell FC 0 32 2 0 2 38 10 Hamilton Academical FC 0 38 3 0 3 47 11 St. Mirren FC 0 39 1 1 2 47 12 Rangers FC 0 27 2 3 5 48 Pretty bad from Celtic that they've managed to get a red card whilst only accruing 12 yellows...Ntcham at St Mirren or is that the "Second yellow"?. Of course they felt it an injustice... We are still 3rd worst for yellows which is the only measure that really counts. Referees love to give Hearts yellows no matter who is playing for us... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 As long as we have a bent disciplinary system, refs who do not apply the rules without fear nor favour, and a compliance officer who is scattergun at best, it doesn’t matter who is top or bottom of that particular table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 13 minutes ago, JamboFulton said: Unusually for this season I feel like Levein missed a beat. He very cleverly called out for protection for players from Scott Brown and Celtic started amassing cards appropriate to the fouls committed. However, the comments about Morelos weren’t quite as nail on head hitting and it’s allowed the orcs to carry on as they were - fouling and diving their way to undeserved victories. ? Morelos got a red in his next game... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 26 minutes ago, Barack said: Funny you mention that... Man City have 1 more foul against them than Bournemouth. 15 pts for Man City. 32 for Bournemouth. Dichotomy, to be sure. http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/discipline/fairplay Man City have 0 red cards and far fewer yellow cards than Bournemouth so not sure what the comparison is? Rangers are the worst offenders in Scotland and Man U are the worst offenders in England. Big team bias clearly doesn’t exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott herbertson Posted December 9, 2018 Author Share Posted December 9, 2018 44 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: He should have twice as many yellow and reds too. A point to note is although our discipline has improved, our 3 players most likely to get cards (Soapy, Naismith and Uche) have been out. We were top of this table a few months back. But I just want them back asap A very good point I8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busby8 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 2 hours ago, Mr Elwood P said: Fairly hard to commit a foul when you have the ball. They have a lot of the ball. Without checking Man City must be the top of the English FairPlay table for the same reason. You may recall a similar table from a few years ago that counted the number of fouls committed by a team in relation to the bookings given. Celtic as a team had to commit something like double the fouls before a yellow was produced compared to many of their opponents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 37 minutes ago, Busby8 said: You may recall a similar table from a few years ago that counted the number of fouls committed by a team in relation to the bookings given. Celtic as a team had to commit something like double the fouls before a yellow was produced compared to many of their opponents. Outside of Brown I wouldn't say any of the Celtic players are particularly nasty. No real hate figures and not a lot of controversy around anyone other than Griffiths. A lot of it is to do with the levels of aggression and the the context of the foul as well. Rangers on the other hand even their keeper is a constantly fouling and looking to injure opposing players! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfhearts Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Celtic players are clever Christie and Lustic always throwing themselves down but are good at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 I hate this table. Bookings are often subjective where one ref would and another wouldn't. Clubs also greatly benefit from ref decisions and instances like Main or Morelos having the freedom to do whatever they want at Tynie means this isn't worth the paper its written on. Just an excuse to pay for the GFA Christmas party. Scumbags. Next time we should refuse to pay it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboruss Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 5 hours ago, Mr Elwood P said: Fairly hard to commit a foul when you have the ball. They have a lot of the ball. Without checking Man City must be the top of the English FairPlay table for the same reason. .......or perhaps their players don't get punished the same as other teams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Celtic must be choir boys which they’re not so still an OF bias. No consistency week in and out with our officials so that league should mean absolutely nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 8 minutes ago, alwaysthereinspirit said: Celtic must be choir boys which they’re not so still an OF bias. No consistency week in and out with our officials so that league should mean absolutely nothing. There are 2 figures that look anomalousy low in that table - and it is the yellow card count of the 2 OF clubs. Celtic at half of what the next worst (St Johnstone) of all 11 clubs, and Rangers at foot of table for those 11 yet themselves only 3 yellows more than St Johnstone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 28 minutes ago, jamboruss said: .......or perhaps their players don't get punished the same as other teams? Why would Man City and Celtic get preferential treatment but Rangers and Man U don't. If you have 60-70% possession it is logical that you will concede a lot less fouls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: Why would Man City and Celtic get preferential treatment but Rangers and Man U don't. If you have 60-70% possession it is logical that you will concede a lot less fouls. We had a lot of possession in 2005/06 and our championship season. Be interesting to see our stats. Somehow, especially 2005/06, I don’t think that theory will hold water if we compare our cards vs the OF. anyhow, 7 reds for Rangers before xmas. When we were getting headlines as the dirtiest team in the world did we even get that many reds in a season? Edited December 9, 2018 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubyruby Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Rangers shirt has 32red on it so I laughed when I saw morelos. How soon before he gets to 32 reds ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, ToqueJambo said: We had a lot of possession in 2005/06 and our championship season. Be interesting to see our stats. Somehow, especially 2005/06, I don’t think that theory will hold water if we compare our cards vs the OF. anyhow, 7 reds for Rangers before xmas. When we were getting headlines as the dirtiest team in the world did we even get that many reds in a season? We didn't in the season we copped a £100k fine, we had 6. Romanov will appeal against the charge, the club's seventh annual punishment is as many years. Hearts received the fine after collecting six red cards and 86 yellow cards in all competitions last season, the worst in the division. "If with this fine they want to camouflage all their unjustified decisions against Hearts throughout the season, then it is a normal practice for them - since it happens for the seventh year in a row. Romanov told The Herald. "For me, everything became evident some time ago after that infamous match against Dundee [in 2008] when three Hearts players were red-carded and three penalties were awarded against us. "I am even grateful to the referee of that game for his eye-opening actions. That case revealed the true faces of the people devoid of brain and conscience. "Unfortunately, the match officials still remain their slaves while I had so much hoped that starting during this past season they were going to be set free." The Jambos have been ordered to pay £60,000 initially, with the rest of the payment due next season and have been about their future conduct. Edited December 9, 2018 by graygo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 3 hours ago, jamboruss said: .......or perhaps their players don't get punished the same as other teams? Exactly. It’s not difficult to understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busby8 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 6 hours ago, Mr Elwood P said: Outside of Brown I wouldn't say any of the Celtic players are particularly nasty. No real hate figures and not a lot of controversy around anyone other than Griffiths. A lot of it is to do with the levels of aggression and the the context of the foul as well. Rangers on the other hand even their keeper is a constantly fouling and looking to injure opposing players! Wasn't really the point I was making, but I get your drift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTweedy Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 6 hours ago, Mr Elwood P said: Why would Man City and Celtic get preferential treatment but Rangers and Man U don't. If you have 60-70% possession it is logical that you will concede a lot less fouls. Alternatively, if you're allowed to regularly foul the opposition without the ref blowing their whistle, while your opponents get free kicks given against them for even coming within a couple of yards of you, it's logical that you're likely to end up with the majority of possession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EreWeG0.. Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 (edited) Unfortunately these stats are awarded from Scottish Referees. Makes the table about valid as a page from the bible Edited December 9, 2018 by EreWeG0.. Fat fingers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 2 hours ago, EreWeG0.. said: Unfortunately these stats are awarded from Scottish Referees. Makes the table about valid as a page from the bible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 10 hours ago, FarmerTweedy said: Alternatively, if you're allowed to regularly foul the opposition without the ref blowing their whistle, while your opponents get free kicks given against them for even coming within a couple of yards of you, it's logical that you're likely to end up with the majority of possession. Yeah Celtic and Man City have the majority of possession because of the referee. You've nailed it! Bet Lawell and those Arab billionaires feel a bit daft for wasting all that money now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 On 09/12/2018 at 09:01, Martin_T said: Surprised to see Livingston 2nd given that they play prison rules football, quite literally given the case history of a couple of their defenders and assistant manager. THIS!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Seem to remember when we ran away with the championship title we still had a shit load of yellows. Possession is just an argument that makes sense if you don't believe the refs are up to something. The stats about celtic needing to make twice as many fouls to actually get carded imo highlights that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 On 09/12/2018 at 07:47, Mr Elwood P said: Outside of Brown I wouldn't say any of the Celtic players are particularly nasty. No real hate figures and not a lot of controversy around anyone other than Griffiths. A lot of it is to do with the levels of aggression and the the context of the foul as well. Rangers on the other hand even their keeper is a constantly fouling and looking to injure opposing players! Lustig? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Just now, Bridge of Djoum said: Lustig? He is a complete shite house!! I remember a couple of seasons ago Walker challenged him when he was clearing the ball - it happened right in front of me in the Wheatfield. There was absolutely no contact, but as Walker was on a booking, Lustig rolled around slapping the turf in agony with his arm signalling to the bench he was badly injured. Halfway through his antics Celtic scored - to which he immediately jumped up and ran past the Hearts fans with a big GIRFUY smile on his cheating ugly puss!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 44 minutes ago, Bridge of Djoum said: Lustig? Made me a decent amount of money in the summer by getting booked for Sweden so don't have a bad word to be said about him! Also think he's just technically crap, i.e. can't time a tackle, opposed to intentionally trying to injure players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 44 minutes ago, Thomaso said: He is a complete shite house!! I remember a couple of seasons ago Walker challenged him when he was clearing the ball - it happened right in front of me in the Wheatfield. There was absolutely no contact, but as Walker was on a booking, Lustig rolled around slapping the turf in agony with his arm signalling to the bench he was badly injured. Halfway through his antics Celtic scored - to which he immediately jumped up and ran past the Hearts fans with a big GIRFUY smile on his cheating ugly puss!! I remember that. He is an utter **** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: Made me a decent amount of money in the summer by getting booked for Sweden so don't have a bad word to be said about him! Also think he's just technically crap, i.e. can't time a tackle, opposed to intentionally trying to injure players. A fair synopsis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 On 09/12/2018 at 09:17, Mr Elwood P said: Fairly hard to commit a foul when you have the ball. They have a lot of the ball. Without checking Man City must be the top of the English FairPlay table for the same reason. Or it could be the fact that Celtic are allowed to commit somewhere in the region of 15 fouls before a card is produced, whereas most other teams are around 4-5 challenges, Lawwell runs Scottish football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, The Old Tolbooth said: Or it could be the fact that Celtic are allowed to commit somewhere in the region of 15 fouls before a card is produced, whereas most other teams are around 4-5 challenges, Lawwell runs Scottish football. Do you genuinely believe that? They've got a wage bill which is similar to that of every other team in the league, including us, Rangers and Aberdeen, combined and you think that he needs to buy or bribe or in some manner control referees in order to achieve success? If I believed that it was a rigged game as you describe, then I wouldn't be part of it. Hearts or no Hearts. The number of fouls doesn't act as a very good barometer, it's to do with the quality of the aggression and the area of the pitch that the foul takes place in. Rangers players are regularly elbowing players, kicking players and flying into challenges with studs up and have been dealt with accordingly. It's also worth pointing out that the Celtic team with a few obvious exception contains a lot of small skilful players and almost all of them are footballers. The Rangers team is full of cloggers and hatchet men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Mr Elwood P said: Do you genuinely believe that? They've got a wage bill which is similar to that of every other team in the league, including us, Rangers and Aberdeen, combined and you think that he needs to buy or bribe or in some manner control referees in order to achieve success? If I believed that it was a rigged game as you describe, then I wouldn't be part of it. Hearts or no Hearts. The number of fouls doesn't act as a very good barometer, it's to do with the quality of the aggression and the area of the pitch that the foul takes place in. Rangers players are regularly elbowing players, kicking players and flying into challenges with studs up and have been dealt with accordingly. It's also worth pointing out that the Celtic team with a few obvious exception contains a lot of small skilful players and almost all of them are footballers. The Rangers team is full of cloggers and hatchet men. That stat I gave you was from a couple of seasons ago iirc, it was on JKB and was pulled up from somewhere official, you only have to see what Scott Brown gets away with to realise that they get away with more than the average team do, and I totally get your point that they do a lot more attacking and therefore are more likely to be fouled etc, but the ratios from that stat were far too out of kilter for my liking. It is quite funny watching Rangers fans moaning about decisions however Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 31 minutes ago, The Old Tolbooth said: That stat I gave you was from a couple of seasons ago iirc, it was on JKB and was pulled up from somewhere official, you only have to see what Scott Brown gets away with to realise that they get away with more than the average team do, and I totally get your point that they do a lot more attacking and therefore are more likely to be fouled etc, but the ratios from that stat were far too out of kilter for my liking. It is quite funny watching Rangers fans moaning about decisions however I’d concede on the Scott Brown point. Sometimes appears to be wearing an invisibility cloak but generally I don’t think they’re a dirty team. A lot of other teams will be getting caught on the counter attack and give away a lot of yellow cards that way but Celtic don’t seem to get caught on the break in the same manner which scews the figures. Rangers fans currently love to be told that they are a team of bottlers. Just need to find a catchy phrase like Hibsed it so as to annoy them further. My iphone now predictively types ‘Hibsed it’, I noticed there! What a time to be alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Whatever happened to @michael_bolton? He always had strong opinions on these things... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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